Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Mar 1st 2006, 2:36 pm
#76
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
>>
>He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
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>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
>>
>He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
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Mar 1st 2006, 3:00 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
> the more people I meet.. the more I see that all people were involved in
> the Fascism regime.. and supported it.
You said well. If not Hitler and the second world war, Mussolini would maybe
stand there, like Franco in Spain.
But, nobody I know says that fascism was better than our democratic
republic.
> Those who did not had to escape.. ( my grandfather brother had to emigrate
> to France as he was socialist.. while my grandfather was Partito
Popolare..
> a kind of catholic party.. but he had no problem as his wife had 10
children
> and had been decorated accordingly.. the fascist regime gave medals to
> families that had a lot of children..
My family was anti-fascist too, and had any kind of problem: beating, exile
and killing.
That was the problem: in 1926, fascism immediatly canceled democracy and
freedom of mind. So it was easy to gain support
ciao
> the Fascism regime.. and supported it.
You said well. If not Hitler and the second world war, Mussolini would maybe
stand there, like Franco in Spain.
But, nobody I know says that fascism was better than our democratic
republic.
> Those who did not had to escape.. ( my grandfather brother had to emigrate
> to France as he was socialist.. while my grandfather was Partito
Popolare..
> a kind of catholic party.. but he had no problem as his wife had 10
children
> and had been decorated accordingly.. the fascist regime gave medals to
> families that had a lot of children..
My family was anti-fascist too, and had any kind of problem: beating, exile
and killing.
That was the problem: in 1926, fascism immediatly canceled democracy and
freedom of mind. So it was easy to gain support
ciao
Mar 1st 2006, 3:09 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> >The tune doesn't bother me - it's the verse about crushing rebellious Scots
> >> >- THAT bothers me.
> >>
> >> yep, should be more about crushing the welsh too :-)
> >>
> >Pfft.
> >With a name like Reid, you might be on the list for crushing.
>
> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
> claymore.
> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
>
Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> >The tune doesn't bother me - it's the verse about crushing rebellious Scots
> >> >- THAT bothers me.
> >>
> >> yep, should be more about crushing the welsh too :-)
> >>
> >Pfft.
> >With a name like Reid, you might be on the list for crushing.
>
> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
> claymore.
> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
>
Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
Mar 1st 2006, 3:09 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
> >>
> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>
> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
>
No more than Wellington was Irish.
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
> >>
> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>
> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
>
No more than Wellington was Irish.
Mar 1st 2006, 3:23 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
>> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
>> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
>> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
>> claymore.
>> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
>>
>Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians
and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time.
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>> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
>> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
>> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
>> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
>> claymore.
>> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
>>
>Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians
and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time.
--
Mike Reid
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Mar 1st 2006, 3:23 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>>
>> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
>>
>No more than Wellington was Irish.
point taken.
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>> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>>
>> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
>>
>No more than Wellington was Irish.
point taken.
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Mike Reid
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Mar 1st 2006, 3:32 pm
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S wrote on Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:09:45 -0500:
No more than Wellington was Irish.
S> The Reid wrote:
??>>
??>> Following up to S Viemeister
??>>
??>>>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
??>>>>
??>>> He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
??>>
??>> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
??>>
I suspect he did not consider himself to be Irish but Wellington
*was* born in Ireland!
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland.
No more than Wellington was Irish.
S> The Reid wrote:
??>>
??>> Following up to S Viemeister
??>>
??>>>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
??>>>>
??>>> He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
??>>
??>> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
??>>
I suspect he did not consider himself to be Irish but Wellington
*was* born in Ireland!
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland.
Mar 1st 2006, 5:30 pm
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The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
> >> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
> >> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
> >> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
> >> claymore.
> >> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
> >>
> >Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
>
> next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians
> and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time.
>
Well.....the Victorians certainly popularised it, and much of the rigid
'THIS tartan represents THIS clan' stuff dates from then.
And haggis is just sausage, isn't it?
>
> Following up to S Viemeister
>
> >> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten
> >> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2.
> >> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a
> >> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the
> >> claymore.
> >> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second.
> >>
> >Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot.
>
> next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians
> and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time.
>
Well.....the Victorians certainly popularised it, and much of the rigid
'THIS tartan represents THIS clan' stuff dates from then.
And haggis is just sausage, isn't it?
Mar 1st 2006, 5:51 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:36:10 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to S Viemeister
>>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
>>>
>>He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
Does he wear knickers under his kilt in summer?
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to S Viemeister
>>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line?
>>>
>>He and Gordon do seem to have their problems......
>But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too?
Does he wear knickers under his kilt in summer?
--
Martin
Mar 2nd 2006, 7:15 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:32 -0800, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:43 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >The official motto of Italy used to be
>>> >
>>> >viva Franza
>>> >Viva Spagna
>>> >Viva tutti
>>> >purche' se magna
>>> That's my favorite so far.
>>Long live France
>>Long live Spain
>>Long live all
>>Because they eat themselves?
> Long live France
> Long live Spain
> Long live everybody
> As long as one can eat.
Magna, not manga or mangia?
Marianne
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> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:32 -0800, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:43 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >The official motto of Italy used to be
>>> >
>>> >viva Franza
>>> >Viva Spagna
>>> >Viva tutti
>>> >purche' se magna
>>> That's my favorite so far.
>>Long live France
>>Long live Spain
>>Long live all
>>Because they eat themselves?
> Long live France
> Long live Spain
> Long live everybody
> As long as one can eat.
Magna, not manga or mangia?
Marianne
Mar 3rd 2006, 8:39 am
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
> >>> >viva Franza
> >>> >Viva Spagna
> >>> >Viva tutti
> >>> >purche' se magna
...
> Magna, not manga or mangia?
You are right. That is central italian dialect.
"Franza o Spagna purch� se magna" should be "Francia o Spagna, purch� si
mangia" in Italian.
It was when the French Kingdom and the Spanish Empire fought to conquer
Italy, in 1500-1600.
It was easy for them to destroy the weak political system of Italian little
states. And the Italian people had just to see which foregnier was winner,
and try to survive: "France or Spain, but just let us something to eat".
> >>> >Viva Spagna
> >>> >Viva tutti
> >>> >purche' se magna
...
> Magna, not manga or mangia?
You are right. That is central italian dialect.
"Franza o Spagna purch� se magna" should be "Francia o Spagna, purch� si
mangia" in Italian.
It was when the French Kingdom and the Spanish Empire fought to conquer
Italy, in 1500-1600.
It was easy for them to destroy the weak political system of Italian little
states. And the Italian people had just to see which foregnier was winner,
and try to survive: "France or Spain, but just let us something to eat".
Mar 3rd 2006, 7:13 pm
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
In article <[email protected]>,
"tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> wrong translation
>
> ...
>
> as long as we have to eat....
I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I
was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna.
Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
"tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> wrong translation
>
> ...
>
> as long as we have to eat....
I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I
was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna.
Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
Mar 3rd 2006, 9:03 pm
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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:13:28 -0800, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> wrong translation
>>
>> ...
>>
>> as long as we have to eat....
>I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I
>was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna.
>Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
It's dialect.
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>In article <[email protected]>,
> "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> wrong translation
>>
>> ...
>>
>> as long as we have to eat....
>I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I
>was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna.
>Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
It's dialect.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Mar 4th 2006, 3:48 pm
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> >Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
I think that "mangiare" and French "manger" (to eat) came from "mano", hand.
Infact, unless to put his face in the dish like a cat, one should use hands
to eat ;-)
"Magnare", often spelled "magna' ", is an Italian dialect form related to
that, but not to "magnus".
> It's dialect.
"Vamo a magna' " ("andiamo a mangiare", "let's go and eat")
"Magnaccia" is a prostitute manager, a criminal.
ciao
I think that "mangiare" and French "manger" (to eat) came from "mano", hand.
Infact, unless to put his face in the dish like a cat, one should use hands
to eat ;-)
"Magnare", often spelled "magna' ", is an Italian dialect form related to
that, but not to "magnus".
> It's dialect.
"Vamo a magna' " ("andiamo a mangiare", "let's go and eat")
"Magnaccia" is a prostitute manager, a criminal.
ciao
Mar 8th 2006, 11:49 am
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Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
And I thought the Italian motto was
"It costs extra to sit at a table."
George
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:29:31 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Or in the same spirit (compare the rest of Purgatorio VI), my favourite
>>(heard by Marco Paolini, although he was quoting somebody's else)
>>"I corvi di Orvieto / hanno un sogno segreto / di mettere a morte /
>>tutti i corvi di Orte"
>>Translation: "Orvieto's ravens / have a secret dream / to put to death /
>>all Orte's ravens"
> That's in the best spirit of Italian campanilismo.
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> it
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"It costs extra to sit at a table."
George
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:29:31 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Or in the same spirit (compare the rest of Purgatorio VI), my favourite
>>(heard by Marco Paolini, although he was quoting somebody's else)
>>"I corvi di Orvieto / hanno un sogno segreto / di mettere a morte /
>>tutti i corvi di Orte"
>>Translation: "Orvieto's ravens / have a secret dream / to put to death /
>>all Orte's ravens"
> That's in the best spirit of Italian campanilismo.
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup