Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line? >> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems...... But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too? -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
> the more people I meet.. the more I see that all people were involved in
> the Fascism regime.. and supported it. You said well. If not Hitler and the second world war, Mussolini would maybe stand there, like Franco in Spain. But, nobody I know says that fascism was better than our democratic republic. > Those who did not had to escape.. ( my grandfather brother had to emigrate > to France as he was socialist.. while my grandfather was Partito Popolare.. > a kind of catholic party.. but he had no problem as his wife had 10 children > and had been decorated accordingly.. the fascist regime gave medals to > families that had a lot of children.. My family was anti-fascist too, and had any kind of problem: beating, exile and killing. That was the problem: in 1926, fascism immediatly canceled democracy and freedom of mind. So it was easy to gain support ciao |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
The Reid wrote:
> > Following up to S Viemeister > > >> >The tune doesn't bother me - it's the verse about crushing rebellious Scots > >> >- THAT bothers me. > >> > >> yep, should be more about crushing the welsh too :-) > >> > >Pfft. > >With a name like Reid, you might be on the list for crushing. > > indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten > American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2. > If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a > drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the > claymore. > Oh, I came over all odd there for a second. > Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot. |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
The Reid wrote:
> > Following up to S Viemeister > > >> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line? > >> > >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems...... > > But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too? > No more than Wellington was Irish. |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten >> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2. >> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a >> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the >> claymore. >> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second. >> >Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot. next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
Following up to S Viemeister
>> >He and Gordon do seem to have their problems...... >> >> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too? >> >No more than Wellington was Irish. point taken. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
S wrote on Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:09:45 -0500:
No more than Wellington was Irish. S> The Reid wrote: ??>> ??>> Following up to S Viemeister ??>> ??>>>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line? ??>>>> ??>>> He and Gordon do seem to have their problems...... ??>> ??>> But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too? ??>> I suspect he did not consider himself to be Irish but Wellington *was* born in Ireland! James Silverton Potomac, Maryland. |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
The Reid wrote:
> > Following up to S Viemeister > > >> indeed, my freezer is full of haggis, (I use it to frighten > >> American tourists) and I know the 45 wasn't the end of WW2. > >> If the skirl of the pipes calls again, I'll be ready to sink a > >> drambuie, cast off my plaid and put the English curs to the > >> claymore. > >> Oh, I came over all odd there for a second. > >> > >Indeed. You were starting to sound like an American wanna-be Scot. > > next you'll be telling me tartan was invented by the Victorians > and that haggis was as common in England as Scotland at one time. > Well.....the Victorians certainly popularised it, and much of the rigid 'THIS tartan represents THIS clan' stuff dates from then. And haggis is just sausage, isn't it? |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:36:10 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote: >Following up to S Viemeister >>> Noticed how Tony Blair always joins in on that line? >>> >>He and Gordon do seem to have their problems...... >But isn't Tory Blair Scottish too? Does he wear knickers under his kilt in summer? -- Martin |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:32 -0800, poldy <[email protected]> wrote: >>In article <[email protected]>, >> B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:43 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >The official motto of Italy used to be >>> > >>> >viva Franza >>> >Viva Spagna >>> >Viva tutti >>> >purche' se magna >>> That's my favorite so far. >>Long live France >>Long live Spain >>Long live all >>Because they eat themselves? > Long live France > Long live Spain > Long live everybody > As long as one can eat. Magna, not manga or mangia? Marianne |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
> >>> >viva Franza
> >>> >Viva Spagna > >>> >Viva tutti > >>> >purche' se magna ... > Magna, not manga or mangia? You are right. That is central italian dialect. "Franza o Spagna purch� se magna" should be "Francia o Spagna, purch� si mangia" in Italian. It was when the French Kingdom and the Spanish Empire fought to conquer Italy, in 1500-1600. It was easy for them to destroy the weak political system of Italian little states. And the Italian people had just to see which foregnier was winner, and try to survive: "France or Spain, but just let us something to eat". |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
In article <[email protected]>,
"tile" <[email protected]> wrote: > wrong translation > > ... > > as long as we have to eat.... I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna. Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare? |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:13:28 -0800, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, > "tile" <[email protected]> wrote: >> wrong translation >> >> ... >> >> as long as we have to eat.... >I don't really know Italian and I was making a little joke, thinking I >was purposely getting the wrong verb for magna. >Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare? It's dialect. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
> >Isn't magna more related to magnus than mangiare?
I think that "mangiare" and French "manger" (to eat) came from "mano", hand. Infact, unless to put his face in the dish like a cat, one should use hands to eat ;-) "Magnare", often spelled "magna' ", is an Italian dialect form related to that, but not to "magnus". > It's dialect. "Vamo a magna' " ("andiamo a mangiare", "let's go and eat") "Magnaccia" is a prostitute manager, a criminal. ciao |
Re: Does Italy Have A Country Motto?
And I thought the Italian motto was
"It costs extra to sit at a table." George "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:29:31 +0100, Giovanni Drogo > <[email protected]> wrote: >>Or in the same spirit (compare the rest of Purgatorio VI), my favourite >>(heard by Marco Paolini, although he was quoting somebody's else) >>"I corvi di Orvieto / hanno un sogno segreto / di mettere a morte / >>tutti i corvi di Orte" >>Translation: "Orvieto's ravens / have a secret dream / to put to death / >>all Orte's ravens" > That's in the best spirit of Italian campanilismo. > -- > Barbara Vaughan > My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot > it > I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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