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    > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:46:08 +0000, The Reid
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Following up to Jim Pflaum
    >>>Not sure about the UK either Reid, but for England I'm using,
    >>>"England...God and my right," which I found on the site below.
    >>Yes, the royal motto, I think that's all there is. Its on my
    >>father old cap badge (Guards). "The wrong kind of snow" would be
    >>another :-)
    > Have you read the interesting version on the front of your passport?
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B Vaughan

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:42:37 -0000, "Visitor No 3"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:54:28 +0100, chellalla'@mail.com wrote:
    >> I have yet to find an Italian who knows the words, beyond the first
    >> few lines.
    >Schumacher and his team seem to sing-along fairly robustly.

He wouldn't dare not sing along. But he probably had a tele-prompter.

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:52:08 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:56:15 -0000, "Visitor No 3"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Jim Pflaum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
    >>> Does anyone in this group know if Italy has an official country motto
    >>> (e.g., In God we trust)? I've search the Net and haven't found any
    >>> mention of a motto for Itlay. I even shot off an email to Italy's US
    >>> embassy several weeks ago asking them the same question, but haven't
    >>> heard a word back yet. Seems very strange that Italy doesn't have a
    >>> motto.
    >>Forte con i deboli, debole con i forti.
    >"Strong with the weaknesses, weak with the strengths"

No, it's "Strong with the weak and weak with the strong.".

It's a slander.

    >I don't get it...
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:45:50 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:26:44 +0000, The Reid
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Following up to B Vaughan
    >>>>thieving government? :-)
    >>>That's it, Reid!
    >>meo speako Italiano.
    >Speaki bene!

beni colina?
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Visitor No 3

"DDT Filled Mormons" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message > >Forte con i deboli, debole con i forti.

<< "Strong with the weaknesses, weak with the strengths"

I don't get it...>>

Bully the weak and downtrodden, grovel to the powerfull.

Giovanni Drogo

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, B Vaughan wrote:

    > The national motto of Italy is "Governo ladro".

to be precise : PIOVE, Governo ladro !

(It's raining, the Government is a thief)

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, B Vaughan wrote:

    > The national motto of Italy is "Governo ladro".

A publisher and journalist of the '50s (a bit right-wing oriented, but
sort of independent), Leo Longanesi, proposed instead "Tengo famiglia"
(I have a family).

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Jim Pflaum wrote:

    > "L'Italia � una Repubblica democratica, fondata sul lavoro,"
    > "Italy is one Republic democratic, founded on the job,"
xxx <-----> yyyyyyy

Not "one" but "a". "una" is both the numeral one and the indeterminative
article (a, an). Of course you'd swap the adjective and the name
(democratic Republic).

"Lavoro" may mean work, labour, job. Job is surely inappropriate here,
but I'm unsure whether you'd choose "work" or "labour". I.e.

Italy is a democratic Republic founded on (work|labour).

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Giovanni

    > >Fratelli d'Italia, l'Italia s'e' Desta..." (Italians' Brothers,
    > >Italy's awake...??)
    > It starts out well enough, but it gets bogged down somewhere around
    > Cicero's helmet.

Scipio: not the best part of that song ;-)

    > I have yet to find an Italian who knows the words, beyond the first
    > few lines.

I'm the first ;-)
It was important during 1800, but became national anthem just in 1946. The
former was Savoia anthem, "viva il re"... so Mameli is much better ;-)

I like a couple of parts, telling about our union:
"noi siamo da secoli calpesti e derisi
perch� non siam popolo perch� siam divisi"
"uniamoci e amiamoci, l'union e l'amore
insegnano ai popoli le vie del signore"

ciao

B Vaughan

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:22:54 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, B Vaughan wrote:
    >> The national motto of Italy is "Governo ladro".
    > to be precise : PIOVE, Governo ladro !
    > (It's raining, the Government is a thief)

I know. I didn't want to overwork the poor OP's Babelfish.

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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:07:11 GMT, "Giovanni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> >Fratelli d'Italia, l'Italia s'e' Desta..." (Italians' Brothers,
    >> >Italy's awake...??)
    >> It starts out well enough, but it gets bogged down somewhere around
    >> Cicero's helmet.
    >Scipio: not the best part of that song ;-)

I had a feeling after I logged off that I had said Cicero instead of
Scipio, but I wasn't curious enough to log back on again. Poor old
Scipio surely spent a lot more time in a helmet than Cicero.

    >I'm the first ;-)

I asked my husband to tell me the words, and he said "Bohh!". Then I
asked his son, who usually is up on those kinds of things and he said
"Bohh!". So I looked them up on the internet.

    >It was important during 1800, but became national anthem just in 1946. The
    >former was Savoia anthem, "viva il re"... so Mameli is much better ;-)

I'll drink to that!

    >I like a couple of parts, telling about our union:
    >"noi siamo da secoli calpesti e derisi
    >perch� non siam popolo perch� siam divisi"
    >"uniamoci e amiamoci, l'union e l'amore
    >insegnano ai popoli le vie del signore"

As I said, I rather like the anthem. It has a ggod, lively tune, a lot
better than the US anthem, which is extremely difficult to sing.
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:24:21 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, B Vaughan wrote:
    >> The national motto of Italy is "Governo ladro".
    >A publisher and journalist of the '50s (a bit right-wing oriented, but
    >sort of independent), Leo Longanesi, proposed instead "Tengo famiglia"
    >(I have a family).

That's also a good one. However, I would tranlate it more as "I'm
supporting a family." Literally, it means "I have a family", but it's
used on occasions when one wants to explain his need for more money,
or more job security, or things of the sort.

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:17:46 -0600, Joseph Coulter
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >> "Strong with the weaknesses, weak with the strengths"
    >>
    >> I don't get it...
    >It may relate to the smashing vitories agaisnt Ethiopia and the rathe
    >poor result against others, including Greece during WWII.

Don't knock a country with a population that didn't believe in killing
themselves and others for a dictator. If only there were more.
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Giovanni

    > Poor old
    > Scipio surely spent a lot more time in a helmet than Cicero.

Yes, but maybe Cicero's helmet is better for today Italians ;-)

Another mistake is:

"stringiamci a coorte"
meaning "let us gather in legions", "let's go and fight"

many say:
"stringiamci a corte"
meaning "let us stay in the courtyard", "escape and not fight", "follow the
winner"

;-)

    > "Bohh!". So I looked them up on the internet.

Here is also a traslation:

http://members.aol.com/motley1969/Ca...odimameli.html

I also like this part, a brief history of Italy:
From the Alps to Sicily,
Everywhere it is Legnano;
Every man has the heart
and hand of Ferruccio.
The children of Italy
Are all called Balilla;
Every trumpet blast
Sounds the (Sicilian) Vespers.

So one learns what is Legnano, who are Ferruccio and Balilla, and so on ;-)


ciao

Dr . George O . Bizzigotti

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:14:36 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Jim Pflaum wrote:

    >> Does anyone in this group know if Italy has an official country motto

    >There is a national flag, a national anthem (horrible),
[snip]

I like the Italian national anthem, or at least the instrumental
versions that are typically played at sporting events. I'm a fan of
the Azzurri (except when they're playing the US!), so I've often heard
the band version played before international calcio/soccer/football
matches.

It may be telling that Barbara Vaughan is the other poster who admits
to a liking for the Italian national anthem. I wonder if it has
anything to do with a comparison to the US national anthem, which
really is, er, "difficult?" Sr. Drogo is lucky not to have to listen
to amateurs singing the Star-Spangled Banner at local sporting events.
There a few (very!) genius musicians who have successfully put their
own musical interpretation on the SSB; about all most of the
aforementioned amateurs succeed in doing is reminding us that Marvin
Gaye was a genius, and that they're not Marvin Gaye.

Regards,

George
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