Digital photography, changing the world
Nov 22nd 2004, 9:58 am
#106
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Re: Digital photography, changing the world
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:50:55 +0100, Magda
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>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, randee <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... With the exception perhaps of a few species of butterflies, birds and
> ... reptiles I could name, there is little vivid color in the natural world,
> ... particularly in the females.
>Who is talking about the natural world ?
Somebody who has never been in Warmoesstraat.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, randee <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... With the exception perhaps of a few species of butterflies, birds and
> ... reptiles I could name, there is little vivid color in the natural world,
> ... particularly in the females.
>Who is talking about the natural world ?
Somebody who has never been in Warmoesstraat.
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Martin
Nov 22nd 2004, 10:48 am
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Re: Digital photography, changing the world
Calif Bill writes:
> You are highly misinformed.
No, I'm highly informed, particularly with respect to the information
theory that underlies the concepts of analog and digital.
> As one of the Patent
> holders in the disk drive world, I do write with some knowledge.
No doubt. One can have knowledge and write with it even without a
patent. Conversely, one can have a patent but very little knowledge.
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> You are highly misinformed.
No, I'm highly informed, particularly with respect to the information
theory that underlies the concepts of analog and digital.
> As one of the Patent
> holders in the disk drive world, I do write with some knowledge.
No doubt. One can have knowledge and write with it even without a
patent. Conversely, one can have a patent but very little knowledge.
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Nov 22nd 2004, 10:48 am
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[email protected] writes:
> Depending on how much you are willing to pay for a scanner.
If you can afford to shoot 8x10 sheet film, you must have a fairly large
piggy bank.
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> Depending on how much you are willing to pay for a scanner.
If you can afford to shoot 8x10 sheet film, you must have a fairly large
piggy bank.
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Nov 22nd 2004, 10:49 am
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Re: Digital photography, changing the world
Magda writes:
> Many years ago I saw a Japanese guy (with what looked to be his family) taking a pic of
> Beaubourg with a large format camera. I remember that because he is the only tourist I
> have ever seen carrying one of those cameras around.
In the past decade I've seen perhaps half a dozen large-format cameras
in Paris. I'd love to see the results they were getting with them. 6x6
is nice already, but an 8x10 of Provia or Velvia ... the mind boggles.
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> Many years ago I saw a Japanese guy (with what looked to be his family) taking a pic of
> Beaubourg with a large format camera. I remember that because he is the only tourist I
> have ever seen carrying one of those cameras around.
In the past decade I've seen perhaps half a dozen large-format cameras
in Paris. I'd love to see the results they were getting with them. 6x6
is nice already, but an 8x10 of Provia or Velvia ... the mind boggles.
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Nov 22nd 2004, 10:51 am
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:48:18 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:
>> You are highly misinformed.
>
> No, I'm highly informed, particularly with respect to the information
> theory that underlies the concepts of analog and digital.
You miss-spelt "opinionated".
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>> You are highly misinformed.
>
> No, I'm highly informed, particularly with respect to the information
> theory that underlies the concepts of analog and digital.
You miss-spelt "opinionated".
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Nov 22nd 2004, 11:15 am
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:51:34 +0100, Tim Challenger
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>You miss-spelt "opinionated".
<panto>\
<curtain up>
Oh yes he did!
<curtain down>
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>You miss-spelt "opinionated".
<panto>\
<curtain up>
Oh yes he did!
<curtain down>
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Nov 22nd 2004, 2:27 pm
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Re: Digital photography, changing the world
Ellie C wrote:
> I'm mystified by printing them at all. I have thousands of digital
> photos but I've probably only printed about a dozen. For me the best
> part of digital photography is you don't need photo albums and boxes to
> store lots of things yo never look at. I look through my digital photos
> frequently. I haven't opened an album of printed photos in years.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
My wife enjoys putting (archival quality) albums together, using
prints, postcards, brochures, tickets, etc., from our trips so I've had
ample opportunity to compare. And my impression is that the prints are
far superior to anything that I can show on my video screen.
And that's not even with high end equipment. The better of our two
digital cameras is only a 3.2 mp model, so the pictures are 2048 x 1536,
before any cropping. My monitor is a 17-inch, running at 1024 x 768, so
even if a picture is shown full screen it requires throwing away half of
the pixels. More commonly, in Photoshop elements, I'll "fit to screen"
which means probably one out of three pixels is shown.
With the slight cropping required to reach 8 x 10 format, I'm left
with 192 ppi, or less. After the usual sharpening, levels adjustment,
etc., I send the prints out to a shop that uses Kodak equipment and I'm
consistently impressed by the results. The prints are true to the
colors I see on my screen but are just crisper, sharper, more impressive
-- and that includes both the 4 x 6s and 8 x 10s.
Print at home? Mess with overpriced ink cartridges, clogged nozzles,
fussy paper? I think not.
-- Ron
> I'm mystified by printing them at all. I have thousands of digital
> photos but I've probably only printed about a dozen. For me the best
> part of digital photography is you don't need photo albums and boxes to
> store lots of things yo never look at. I look through my digital photos
> frequently. I haven't opened an album of printed photos in years.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
My wife enjoys putting (archival quality) albums together, using
prints, postcards, brochures, tickets, etc., from our trips so I've had
ample opportunity to compare. And my impression is that the prints are
far superior to anything that I can show on my video screen.
And that's not even with high end equipment. The better of our two
digital cameras is only a 3.2 mp model, so the pictures are 2048 x 1536,
before any cropping. My monitor is a 17-inch, running at 1024 x 768, so
even if a picture is shown full screen it requires throwing away half of
the pixels. More commonly, in Photoshop elements, I'll "fit to screen"
which means probably one out of three pixels is shown.
With the slight cropping required to reach 8 x 10 format, I'm left
with 192 ppi, or less. After the usual sharpening, levels adjustment,
etc., I send the prints out to a shop that uses Kodak equipment and I'm
consistently impressed by the results. The prints are true to the
colors I see on my screen but are just crisper, sharper, more impressive
-- and that includes both the 4 x 6s and 8 x 10s.
Print at home? Mess with overpriced ink cartridges, clogged nozzles,
fussy paper? I think not.
-- Ron
Nov 22nd 2004, 8:23 pm
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Re: Digital photography, changing the world
Not glass negatives...................
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Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> randee writes:
>
> > But remember, if you want to scan negatives you are limited to film
> > scanners (at least at any reasonable price for the home user). Back
> > when I did a lot of contact printing of a negative collection I
> > inherited, a film scanner would have been of no use.
>
> Why? You can scan any type of negative.
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Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> randee writes:
>
> > But remember, if you want to scan negatives you are limited to film
> > scanners (at least at any reasonable price for the home user). Back
> > when I did a lot of contact printing of a negative collection I
> > inherited, a film scanner would have been of no use.
>
> Why? You can scan any type of negative.
Nov 22nd 2004, 8:35 pm
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A couple of people - the whole point of their travel is to take large
format landscape pictures. You name it, and somebody has it as a
hobby. My sister knows a lot more people as she is into landscape
photography more than I am.
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PTRAVEL wrote:
>
> "randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > All irrelevant if your primary darkroom focus is contact prints from
> > large negatives.
>
> Of course, what's irrelevant is your comment, but never mind.
>
> How many people do you know who do large-format photography as a hobby and,
> since this is a travel group, take their large-format cameras with them when
> they travel?
format landscape pictures. You name it, and somebody has it as a
hobby. My sister knows a lot more people as she is into landscape
photography more than I am.
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wf.
PTRAVEL wrote:
>
> "randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > All irrelevant if your primary darkroom focus is contact prints from
> > large negatives.
>
> Of course, what's irrelevant is your comment, but never mind.
>
> How many people do you know who do large-format photography as a hobby and,
> since this is a travel group, take their large-format cameras with them when
> they travel?
Nov 22nd 2004, 8:42 pm
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Ever seen large format Kodachrome? Absolutely astounding!!! I have
never taken it, but I have seen the results. Problem is, I am not sure
you can even get sheet Kodachrome any more, nor do I know what the
current status is for processing it.
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wf.
Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> Magda writes:
>
> > Many years ago I saw a Japanese guy (with what looked to be his family) taking a pic of
> > Beaubourg with a large format camera. I remember that because he is the only tourist I
> > have ever seen carrying one of those cameras around.
>
> In the past decade I've seen perhaps half a dozen large-format cameras
> in Paris. I'd love to see the results they were getting with them. 6x6
> is nice already, but an 8x10 of Provia or Velvia ... the mind boggles.
>
never taken it, but I have seen the results. Problem is, I am not sure
you can even get sheet Kodachrome any more, nor do I know what the
current status is for processing it.
--
wf.
Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> Magda writes:
>
> > Many years ago I saw a Japanese guy (with what looked to be his family) taking a pic of
> > Beaubourg with a large format camera. I remember that because he is the only tourist I
> > have ever seen carrying one of those cameras around.
>
> In the past decade I've seen perhaps half a dozen large-format cameras
> in Paris. I'd love to see the results they were getting with them. 6x6
> is nice already, but an 8x10 of Provia or Velvia ... the mind boggles.
>
Nov 22nd 2004, 8:49 pm
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What else would one photograph?
Magda wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, randee <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... With the exception perhaps of a few species of butterflies, birds and
> ... reptiles I could name, there is little vivid color in the natural world,
> ... particularly in the females.
>
> Who is talking about the natural world ?
Magda wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, randee <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... With the exception perhaps of a few species of butterflies, birds and
> ... reptiles I could name, there is little vivid color in the natural world,
> ... particularly in the females.
>
> Who is talking about the natural world ?
Nov 22nd 2004, 9:18 pm
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:49:18 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, randee <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... What else would one photograph?
Skyscrapers ?
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... What else would one photograph?
Skyscrapers ?
Nov 22nd 2004, 11:24 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
> erilar writes:
>
> > I've never scanned film ...
>
> Two posts earlier you said you did.
Printed from film, not scanned it.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> erilar writes:
>
> > I've never scanned film ...
>
> Two posts earlier you said you did.
Printed from film, not scanned it.
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is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
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Nov 23rd 2004, 4:38 am
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randee writes:
> Not glass negatives...................
You can scan them with some scanners.
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> Not glass negatives...................
You can scan them with some scanners.
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Nov 23rd 2004, 4:39 am
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randee writes:
> Ever seen large format Kodachrome? Absolutely astounding!!!
I haven't seen it, but I suspect it might spoil me so badly that I'd
never want to shoot anything less than large format again. Even MF has
spoiled me.
> Problem is, I am not sure
> you can even get sheet Kodachrome any more, nor do I know what the
> current status is for processing it.
Provia and Velvia are pretty astounding, too.
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> Ever seen large format Kodachrome? Absolutely astounding!!!
I haven't seen it, but I suspect it might spoil me so badly that I'd
never want to shoot anything less than large format again. Even MF has
spoiled me.
> Problem is, I am not sure
> you can even get sheet Kodachrome any more, nor do I know what the
> current status is for processing it.
Provia and Velvia are pretty astounding, too.
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