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Old Nov 26th 2004, 8:58 am
  #196  
The Reids
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Following up to Mxsmanic

    >> What about the toners and fixers and other chemicals used to develop
    >> film?
    >Most of them are relatively dilute and harmless, particularly for black
    >and white development.

so that's 1% of the market.
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Old Nov 26th 2004, 8:58 am
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Following up to [email protected]

    >>An LCD screen doesn't show you the result, either.
    >It's nearer to the result, than what you see through an SLR view
    >finder.

how do you know if its focused where you want it?
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Old Nov 26th 2004, 8:58 am
  #198  
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Following up to Tim Challenger

    >> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    >True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    >"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    >its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.

My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
point of the system. Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
of the screen to make sure focus is perfect. How is that going to
be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
viewfinders?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 9:09 am
  #199  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids wrote:

    >>>An LCD screen doesn't show you the result, either.
    >>It's nearer to the result, than what you see through an SLR view
    >>finder.
    >
    > how do you know if its focused where you want it?

By the focusing frame? Because you can see it?
Admittedly the screen's not quite as clear as an image on the ground glass
of an SLR. Many digicams nowadays have a magnifying glass function that
enlarges a section of the view - in the same way as eyepiece zooms do for
some conventional (generally higher class) SLRs.

Regardless, you can still check the picture taken *after* the shot has been
taken to confirm it's not a complete cock-up. Which for many people is a
significant advantage.

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Tim C.
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 9:19 am
  #200  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Tim Challenger
    >
    >>> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    >>True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    >>"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    >>its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.
    >
    > My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
    > point of the system.
So do most digicams, that what the display shows.

    > Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
    > of the screen to make sure focus is perfect.

Very often in SLRs you only get the small focus frame, and you have to
gauge by eye on the normal matt screen if it really *is* in focus.

The little fine focus split or crisscross circle is lacking on most
digicams (see below)- but then again it is missing on most modern film SLRs
as well.
If that's what you mean?

    > How is that going to
    > be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
    > viewfinders?


That depends on the camera. Most have a viewfinder, and nearly all have the
digital display on the back which is the view through the lens, just as in
an SLR. Some have a combination, where the viewfinder looks down onto
another digital display.
The point is, you can check the photo *directly afterwards* (if you want,
with the magnify/lens function) to see if it is at least halfway decent,
and possibly have another go if you have the chance.

--
Tim C.
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 10:16 am
  #201  
The Reids
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Following up to [email protected]

    > I've only printed about two dozen out of
    >>> 10,000 or so photos.
    >>I'm not surprised.
    >Sunsets aren't selling well this year.
    >Mike Reid has collared the market :-)

My sales this month are in double figures, 11.

that's binary BTW :-)
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Mike Reid
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Old Nov 26th 2004, 10:20 am
  #202  
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:42 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to [email protected]
    >>I'm thinking of things like 6 Feet Under, The
    >>>> Sopranos, NYPD Blue,
    >>>"The Young and the Restless," "Beverly Hills 90210," "Wheel of Fortune,"
    >>>"Dallas," "Dynasty" ... the list goes on and on.
    >>Yeah, they were all crap ...
    >I assumed we bought these things because they were going cheap,
    >and morons will watch any old crap?

There are too many TV channels, and not enough material.
--
Martin
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 10:27 am
  #203  
nitram
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to Tim Challenger
    >>> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    >>True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    >>"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    >>its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.
    >My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
    >point of the system. Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
    >of the screen to make sure focus is perfect. How is that going to
    >be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
    >viewfinders?

My Nikon digital camera optical view finder shows exactly, what is on
the image. Just like on an SLR. I don't use the LCD display to take
photos. After I take a photo, I can look at and zoom the image if I
want. This way it's possible to spot unsharp images etc. I find that
I take far more and much better photos than I ever did with my Olympus
SLR cameras.
--
Martin
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 10:30 am
  #204  
nitram
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to [email protected]
    >>>An LCD screen doesn't show you the result, either.
    >>It's nearer to the result, than what you see through an SLR view
    >>finder.
    >how do you know if its focused where you want it?

because you see the same image in the optical view finder as you would
through an SLR. You can inspect the image after taking the photo and
zoom in on the bit you wanted to focus the image on. The software in
the camera provides a lot of options, on which part of the image is to
be in focus.
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Martin
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 11:13 am
  #205  
Go Fig
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In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Following up to Tim Challenger
    > >
    > >>> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    > >>
    > >>True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    > >>"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    > >>its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.
    > >
    > >My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
    > >point of the system. Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
    > >of the screen to make sure focus is perfect. How is that going to
    > >be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
    > >viewfinders?
    >
    > My Nikon digital camera optical view finder shows exactly, what is on
    > the image. Just like on an SLR.

Do you have exposure info in the digital viewfinder ?

jay
Fri Nov 26, 2004
mailto:[email protected]




    > I don't use the LCD display to take
    > photos. After I take a photo, I can look at and zoom the image if I
    > want. This way it's possible to spot unsharp images etc. I find that
    > I take far more and much better photos than I ever did with my Olympus
    > SLR cameras.
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 11:26 am
  #206  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:20:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:42 +0000, The Reids
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Following up to [email protected]
    >>>I'm thinking of things like 6 Feet Under, The
    >>>>> Sopranos, NYPD Blue,
    >>>>"The Young and the Restless," "Beverly Hills 90210," "Wheel of Fortune,"
    >>>>"Dallas," "Dynasty" ... the list goes on and on.
    >>>Yeah, they were all crap ...
    >>I assumed we bought these things because they were going cheap,
    >>and morons will watch any old crap?
    >
    > There are too many TV channels, and not enough material.

The only Loose Windscreen song that I even remotely like has a line like
"fifty-four channels and nothing on".

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Tim C.
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 11:27 am
  #207  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:16:20 +0000, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to [email protected]
    >
    >> I've only printed about two dozen out of
    >>>> 10,000 or so photos.
    >>>I'm not surprised.
    >>Sunsets aren't selling well this year.
    >>Mike Reid has collared the market :-)
    >
    > My sales this month are in double figures, 11.
    >
    > that's binary BTW :-)

Like the t-shirt:
There are only 10 sorts of people.
Those that understand binary and those that don't.
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Old Nov 26th 2004, 11:35 am
  #208  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:13:18 -0800, Go Fig wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Following up to Tim Challenger
    >>>>> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    >>>>True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    >>>>"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    >>>>its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.
    >>>My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
    >>>point of the system. Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
    >>>of the screen to make sure focus is perfect. How is that going to
    >>>be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
    >>>viewfinders?
    >>
    >> My Nikon digital camera optical view finder shows exactly, what is on
    >> the image. Just like on an SLR.
    >
    > Do you have exposure info in the digital viewfinder ?


It's available in the digital screen on most but the low/mid range cameras.
Shutter speed/aperture, and any compensation. Depending on camera, just as
with normal film cameras. The lower idownn the model range, the less
options you get.

You can also often get the "histogram" display, which shows a dynamic graph
of the number of each pixel with each brightness so you can adjust exposure
using that if you wish to concentrate on highlights or not. You don't need
and SLR -digital or otherwise - to get this sort of thing.
I find it potentially useful, but in practice on my camera I haven't really
got the hang of it.
There's more info here:
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glos...stogram_01.htm



--
Tim C.
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 12:09 pm
  #209  
nitram
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:16:20 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to [email protected]
    >> I've only printed about two dozen out of
    >>>> 10,000 or so photos.
    >>>I'm not surprised.
    >>Sunsets aren't selling well this year.
    >>Mike Reid has collared the market :-)
    >My sales this month are in double figures, 11.
    >that's binary BTW :-)

Twice as many as I thought, I suppose business picks up at Xmas :-)
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Martin
 
Old Nov 26th 2004, 12:43 pm
  #210  
Go Fig
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In article <1101472423.IBaRi3vDva+1diu6K1L6FQ@teranews>, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:13:18 -0800, Go Fig wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:47 +0000, The Reids
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Following up to Tim Challenger
    > >>>
    > >>>>> Checking focus is extremely difficult in the field.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>True but it can cut out some of the major cock-ups. Many cameras have a
    > >>>>"lens" effect to zoom in on the parts you want on the display - it helps,
    > >>>>its not perfect, but it's more than you get from most 35mm SLRs.
    > >>>
    > >>>My SLR allows you to look through the lens, that's largely the
    > >>>point of the system. Mine have a fine focus gadget in the middle
    > >>>of the screen to make sure focus is perfect. How is that going to
    > >>>be improved on in a digital? Do they have optical or digital
    > >>>viewfinders?
    > >>
    > >> My Nikon digital camera optical view finder shows exactly, what is on
    > >> the image. Just like on an SLR.
    > >
    > > Do you have exposure info in the digital viewfinder ?
    >
    >
    > It's available in the digital screen on most but the low/mid range cameras.
    > Shutter speed/aperture, and any compensation. Depending on camera, just as
    > with normal film cameras. The lower idownn the model range, the less
    > options you get.

In an SLR, this is available in the viewfinder.

jay
Fri Nov 26, 2004
mailto:[email protected]



    >
    > You can also often get the "histogram" display, which shows a dynamic graph
    > of the number of each pixel with each brightness so you can adjust exposure
    > using that if you wish to concentrate on highlights or not. You don't need
    > and SLR -digital or otherwise - to get this sort of thing.
    > I find it potentially useful, but in practice on my camera I haven't really
    > got the hang of it.
    > There's more info here:
    > http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glos...stogram_01.htm
 


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