Denmark
Sep 16th 2006, 3:22 am
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Denmark
We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
Train? rent a car? Bus?
Bob
Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
Train? rent a car? Bus?
Bob
Sep 16th 2006, 3:32 am
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Re: Denmark
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:22:10 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
<[email protected]>
>We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
>What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
>Train? rent a car? Bus?
'Bicycle is not possible' because you're disabled? Or because you aren't
bringing your own? Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back. Neatest
system I've ever seen. It almost converted me to socialism. Almost.
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<[email protected]>
>We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
>What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
>Train? rent a car? Bus?
'Bicycle is not possible' because you're disabled? Or because you aren't
bringing your own? Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back. Neatest
system I've ever seen. It almost converted me to socialism. Almost.
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Sep 16th 2006, 3:49 am
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Re: Denmark
[email protected] wrote:
>We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
>What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
>Train? rent a car? Bus?
>Bob
The answer to that one , depends a bit upon how much you plan to move
around. Trains are great for getting from one town to another, but car
hire would of course be the best if you wan�t to move independently
around.
But you can see a lot of the stuff you mention by coach tours from
Copenhagen:
http://www.sightseeing.dk/
--
Kristian
>We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
>What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
>Train? rent a car? Bus?
>Bob
The answer to that one , depends a bit upon how much you plan to move
around. Trains are great for getting from one town to another, but car
hire would of course be the best if you wan�t to move independently
around.
But you can see a lot of the stuff you mention by coach tours from
Copenhagen:
http://www.sightseeing.dk/
--
Kristian
Sep 16th 2006, 7:37 am
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Re: Denmark
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
I ended up renting. In Arhus, where a similar program was just starting,
did have ample available. But you can't leave the city limits with one, so
I rented a bike that I could use around the countryside.
My trip report is here: http://donwiss.com/travel/Denmark2005.htm
Picture here: http://donwiss.com/pictures/Denmark-2005/
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
I ended up renting. In Arhus, where a similar program was just starting,
did have ample available. But you can't leave the city limits with one, so
I rented a bike that I could use around the countryside.
My trip report is here: http://donwiss.com/travel/Denmark2005.htm
Picture here: http://donwiss.com/pictures/Denmark-2005/
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
Sep 16th 2006, 1:30 pm
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Re: Denmark
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
<[email protected]>
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>I ended up renting.
2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
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>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>I ended up renting.
2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
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Sep 16th 2006, 1:46 pm
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Re: Denmark
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>>I ended up renting.
>2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
being returned to the racks, or the demand far exceeds the supply, and it
is rare that you can find one available.
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>>I ended up renting.
>2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
being returned to the racks, or the demand far exceeds the supply, and it
is rare that you can find one available.
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
Sep 17th 2006, 3:59 am
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Re: Denmark
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
Castles? I take it you mean the American definition of "castle"?
There are some great Viking-related places to visit, though. And do
NOT miss Roskilde!!
>
> What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
Train and bus. Yes, bicycle would really be a problem if you wanted
to cross water 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
[email protected] wrote:
> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
Castles? I take it you mean the American definition of "castle"?
There are some great Viking-related places to visit, though. And do
NOT miss Roskilde!!
>
> What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
Train and bus. Yes, bicycle would really be a problem if you wanted
to cross water 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Sep 17th 2006, 6:09 am
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Re: Denmark
Don Wiss wrote:
>
> I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
> 2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
> being returned to the racks.
Well, 20Kr IS pretty cheap for a new bike!
>
> I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
> 2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
> being returned to the racks.
Well, 20Kr IS pretty cheap for a new bike!
Sep 17th 2006, 9:01 am
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Re: Denmark
"erilar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
> Castles? I take it you mean the American definition of "castle"?
What's the american version of Castle?
here is a typical Scandinavian one:
http://wictor.dk/wictor/frederiksborg/frbslotGB.html
tim
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
>> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
> Castles? I take it you mean the American definition of "castle"?
What's the american version of Castle?
here is a typical Scandinavian one:
http://wictor.dk/wictor/frederiksborg/frbslotGB.html
tim
Sep 17th 2006, 10:13 am
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Re: Denmark
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:46:41 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
<[email protected]>
>On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>>>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>>>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>>>I ended up renting.
>>2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
>I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
>2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
>being returned to the racks, or the demand far exceeds the supply, and it
>is rare that you can find one available.
That's too bad. I guess socialism doesn't work after all... And it seemed lke
such a good idea!
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>On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Copenhagen is littered with public-use bicycles (20Kr
>>>>deposit) which you can use to get around the city easily. When you return the
>>>>bike to a rack for the next person's use, you get your 20Kr back.
>>>And how long ago was this? I was there in June 2005. Never did I find a
>>>functioning bicycle available to use. All were in use, or had been damaged.
>>>I ended up renting.
>>2003: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mvsrexx/2003SK/DSC00516.html
>I see. That was three years ago. Unless they added a bunch between June
>2005 and now, they are pretty much gone. Either beat up, being kept and not
>being returned to the racks, or the demand far exceeds the supply, and it
>is rare that you can find one available.
That's too bad. I guess socialism doesn't work after all... And it seemed lke
such a good idea!
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Sep 17th 2006, 11:19 am
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Re: Denmark
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>That's too bad. I guess socialism doesn't work after all... And it seemed lke
>such a good idea!
Well, it was working in Arhus in June 2005. Though they started the program
in May 2005. Maybe someone from there can fill us in on how it's working?
In 2001 when I was in Switzerland it worked well. Both in Zurich and Berne
they have a couple locations where you could pick them up. The locations
were manned. You turned over your passport and they gave you a bike. You
have to return them the same day, by nightfall. But then you get one again
the next morning.
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>That's too bad. I guess socialism doesn't work after all... And it seemed lke
>such a good idea!
Well, it was working in Arhus in June 2005. Though they started the program
in May 2005. Maybe someone from there can fill us in on how it's working?
In 2001 when I was in Switzerland it worked well. Both in Zurich and Berne
they have a couple locations where you could pick them up. The locations
were manned. You turned over your passport and they gave you a bike. You
have to return them the same day, by nightfall. But then you get one again
the next morning.
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
Sep 18th 2006, 1:54 am
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Re: Denmark
[email protected] wrote:
> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
> What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
> Train? rent a car? Bus?
I didn't think that Denmark was particularly famous for castles but the
Kronborg castle in Elsinore is within walking distance of the train
station, or a very short taxi ride. The Viking museum in Roskilde is
also reasonably close to the train station. The old Viking village in
Trelleborg is a long way from public transit.
Trains and taxis in Denmark are quite reasonable, but car rentals are
extremely expensive. The first time I went there we ended up renting a
car in Germany because it was more than 3 times as much to rent the same
car in Denmark. Driving around Denmark is a pleasure. It is quite scenic
and the Danes are very courteous drivers and I found it easy to get
around. One major drawback was the price of parking. I had booked a
downtown hotel because it claimed to have parking. It turned out that to
them it meant there as parking available nearby, and to them, nearby
meant a parking garage three blocks away. I arrived at the hotel after
10 pm. got settled in, then went ot park the car in the garage, so it
was closer to 11 pm when I left it. I picked it up shortly after 8 am
and the charge for overnight was 165 Kroner, about $45 at the time.
> We want to visit the castles of Denmark, see some beaches, tour some
> Viking museums and see the sites of Denmark.
> What is a good way to get around. Bicycle is not possible.
> Train? rent a car? Bus?
I didn't think that Denmark was particularly famous for castles but the
Kronborg castle in Elsinore is within walking distance of the train
station, or a very short taxi ride. The Viking museum in Roskilde is
also reasonably close to the train station. The old Viking village in
Trelleborg is a long way from public transit.
Trains and taxis in Denmark are quite reasonable, but car rentals are
extremely expensive. The first time I went there we ended up renting a
car in Germany because it was more than 3 times as much to rent the same
car in Denmark. Driving around Denmark is a pleasure. It is quite scenic
and the Danes are very courteous drivers and I found it easy to get
around. One major drawback was the price of parking. I had booked a
downtown hotel because it claimed to have parking. It turned out that to
them it meant there as parking available nearby, and to them, nearby
meant a parking garage three blocks away. I arrived at the hotel after
10 pm. got settled in, then went ot park the car in the garage, so it
was closer to 11 pm when I left it. I picked it up shortly after 8 am
and the charge for overnight was 165 Kroner, about $45 at the time.
Sep 18th 2006, 11:43 am
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Re: Denmark
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:01:27 +0100, tim(yet another new home) wrote:
> What's the american version of Castle?
He's assuming that Americans don't know what a castle is and believe that
all castles look like Disneyland, because they sometimes refer to
Neuschwanstein as a "castle". Its most likely just sarcasm (I would hope).
The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
don't know what a castle is either. There's a BBC writeup on the "castle"
that doesn't even mention that its not really a castle, so apparently some
Brits don't know either.
Maybe it if wasn't built to look sort of like a castle, people wouldn't
call it that.
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> What's the american version of Castle?
He's assuming that Americans don't know what a castle is and believe that
all castles look like Disneyland, because they sometimes refer to
Neuschwanstein as a "castle". Its most likely just sarcasm (I would hope).
The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
don't know what a castle is either. There's a BBC writeup on the "castle"
that doesn't even mention that its not really a castle, so apparently some
Brits don't know either.
Maybe it if wasn't built to look sort of like a castle, people wouldn't
call it that.
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Sep 18th 2006, 7:46 pm
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Re: Denmark
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, BB wrote:
> The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
> as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
> homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
> don't know what a castle is either.
Germans have at least two words for "castle", Schloss (compare Danish
"slott") and Burg (not to talk of Veste and Festung which are probably
more alike to "fortress"), neither of which is of latin origin. There is
also "Palast" (do not know the Danish equivalent, in Norway is
"pale-et") which is obviously related to "palace".
Neuschwanstein is a Schloss, so the translation as "castle" is all
right. In Italian it would be called a "castello".
I admit that the German Schloss has a wider semantic field than the
Italian castello (or the English castle as far as I can say). There are
some buildings which in Germany are called Schloss but to me are more
alike to royal or ducal palaces.
Let's say that all buildings called Burg and most of those called
Schloss fit in my definition of castello / castle, since they are
fortified or have mockup fortified towers. After all the word derives
from latin "castellum", diminutive of "castrum", a military encampment.
Cannot comment on french "chateau", I do not have a wide experience.
Just to add a note, "palace", "palazzo" and alike should derive from
Latin "Palatium", I suppose from the roman imperial palace located on
the Palatine hill (which had such place name well in advance), so I
suppose originally they indicated a royal palace or the seat of other
ruling house.
In Italian the word "palazzo" preserves such meaning, but it has been
extended to indicate any multi-storey building. So almost everybody in a
city who lives in an apartment building or condominium, lives in a
"palazzo".
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> The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
> as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
> homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
> don't know what a castle is either.
Germans have at least two words for "castle", Schloss (compare Danish
"slott") and Burg (not to talk of Veste and Festung which are probably
more alike to "fortress"), neither of which is of latin origin. There is
also "Palast" (do not know the Danish equivalent, in Norway is
"pale-et") which is obviously related to "palace".
Neuschwanstein is a Schloss, so the translation as "castle" is all
right. In Italian it would be called a "castello".
I admit that the German Schloss has a wider semantic field than the
Italian castello (or the English castle as far as I can say). There are
some buildings which in Germany are called Schloss but to me are more
alike to royal or ducal palaces.
Let's say that all buildings called Burg and most of those called
Schloss fit in my definition of castello / castle, since they are
fortified or have mockup fortified towers. After all the word derives
from latin "castellum", diminutive of "castrum", a military encampment.
Cannot comment on french "chateau", I do not have a wide experience.
Just to add a note, "palace", "palazzo" and alike should derive from
Latin "Palatium", I suppose from the roman imperial palace located on
the Palatine hill (which had such place name well in advance), so I
suppose originally they indicated a royal palace or the seat of other
ruling house.
In Italian the word "palazzo" preserves such meaning, but it has been
extended to indicate any multi-storey building. So almost everybody in a
city who lives in an apartment building or condominium, lives in a
"palazzo".
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Sep 18th 2006, 9:31 pm
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Re: Denmark
Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, BB wrote:
>> The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
>> as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
>> homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
>> don't know what a castle is either.
>Germans have at least two words for "castle", Schloss (compare Danish
>"slott") and Burg (not to talk of Veste and Festung which are probably
>more alike to "fortress"), neither of which is of latin origin. There is
>also "Palast" (do not know the Danish equivalent, in Norway is
>"pale-et") which is obviously related to "palace".
The Danish terms are equivalent to the German: Slot or Borg
(Schloss,Burg). In common use the distinction is not very clear. You
have Amalienborg Slot, Rosenborg Slot etc. The term "Palads" or
"Palace" is only used for non-Danish palaces like Versailles,
Beckingham Palace (little joke..he,he) etc.
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>On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, BB wrote:
>> The postcards sold at Neuschwanstein's visitor's center label the palace
>> as "Royal Castle Neuschwanstein" and the English title bar of the official
>> homepage shows it as "Neuschwanstein Castle", so apparenly the Germans
>> don't know what a castle is either.
>Germans have at least two words for "castle", Schloss (compare Danish
>"slott") and Burg (not to talk of Veste and Festung which are probably
>more alike to "fortress"), neither of which is of latin origin. There is
>also "Palast" (do not know the Danish equivalent, in Norway is
>"pale-et") which is obviously related to "palace".
The Danish terms are equivalent to the German: Slot or Borg
(Schloss,Burg). In common use the distinction is not very clear. You
have Amalienborg Slot, Rosenborg Slot etc. The term "Palads" or
"Palace" is only used for non-Danish palaces like Versailles,
Beckingham Palace (little joke..he,he) etc.
--
Kristian
