Magda

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:20:56 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... So instead they want to be Bible-hating cretins governed by an obese moron.

Le Pen is NOT the President.

B Vaughan

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:21:24 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:08:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>B Vaughan writes:
    >>> I heard so much about how sick the French are of the Da Vinci code,
    >>> and then I saw that it was one of the top 10 best selling books in
    >>> France.
    >>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >and
    >The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.

Until recently, the Americans rarely complained about the French. The
wannabe part was certainly true. A French accent was very useful for
selling products, especially luxury products. Actually, I think the
complaints are dying out again. At least my New York informant says
so. He used to make a point of walking out of restaurants that offered
"freedom fries", complaining all the while that he hated being put in
the position of having to defend the French. (He's Italian.) He says
that now he never sees freedom fries anymore.

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The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 16:04:25 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:

    > The Rev Gaston writes:
    >
    >> Seems rather a leap of logic, to suppose that wishing to drink a large
    >> cup of coffee indicates that you want to be a permanent resident of a
    >> La-Z-Boy armchair?
    >
    > Most French people don't know anything about armchairs. Their
    > understanding of America and Americans comes from television and motion
    > pictures. And that's what fascinates them.
    >
    > They might not want to be the way Americans really are, but the vast
    > majority of them have no idea how Americans really are.

You could say the same thing of Americans themselves - they want to be
rugged frontier individualists, but they do so from in front of their
TV sets eating a microwave meal from a tray.

G;

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Frank F. Matthews

Magda wrote:

    > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:20:56 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Frank F. Matthews"
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ...
    > ... So instead they want to be Bible-hating cretins governed by an obese moron.
    >
    > Le Pen is NOT the President.
    >


He's not chubby enough for the job.

Frank F. Matthews

B Vaughan wrote:

    > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:21:24 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:08:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>B Vaughan writes:
    >>>>I heard so much about how sick the French are of the Da Vinci code,
    >>>>and then I saw that it was one of the top 10 best selling books in
    >>>>France.
    >>>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>and
    >>The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >
    >
    > Until recently, the Americans rarely complained about the French. The
    > wannabe part was certainly true. A French accent was very useful for
    > selling products, especially luxury products. Actually, I think the
    > complaints are dying out again. At least my New York informant says
    > so. He used to make a point of walking out of restaurants that offered
    > "freedom fries", complaining all the while that he hated being put in
    > the position of having to defend the French. (He's Italian.) He says
    > that now he never sees freedom fries anymore.
    >


I never did see them at all.

The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 20:20:56 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> said:

    >
    >
    > The Rev Gaston wrote:
    >
    >> On 2005-01-22 13:08:15 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >>
    >>> nitram writes:
    >>>
    >>>> The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >>>> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>> France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> The first statement isn't really true. I haven't met or seen too many
    >>> Americans who want to be like the French. They may wish to imitate or
    >>> emulate some aspects of French culture, but they don't want to be
    >>> French. Rather like the attitude that mainstream American culture has
    >>> towards blacks.
    >>
    >>
    >> That describes what I think the attitude of the French to Americans is:
    >> they wish, for example, to wear symbols of an American image of
    >> individualism, but they have no real desire to become obese morons
    >> governed by a Bible-thumping cretin.
    >>
    >> G;
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    > So instead they want to be Bible-hating cretins governed by an obese moron.

Does that describe Chirac? Sounds more like Ariel Sharon!

G;
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The Rev Gaston wrote:

    > On 2005-01-22 20:20:56 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
    > <[email protected]> said:
    >
    >> The Rev Gaston wrote:
    >>> On 2005-01-22 13:08:15 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >>>> nitram writes:
    >>>>> The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >>>>> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>>> France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>>> The first statement isn't really true. I haven't met or seen too many
    >>>> Americans who want to be like the French. They may wish to imitate or
    >>>> emulate some aspects of French culture, but they don't want to be
    >>>> French. Rather like the attitude that mainstream American culture has
    >>>> towards blacks.
    >>> That describes what I think the attitude of the French to Americans
    >>> is: they wish, for example, to wear symbols of an American image of
    >>> individualism, but they have no real desire to become obese morons
    >>> governed by a Bible-thumping cretin.
    >>> G;
    >> So instead they want to be Bible-hating cretins governed by an obese
    >> moron.
    >
    >
    > Does that describe Chirac? Sounds more like Ariel Sharon!
    >
    > G;



For his supporters we would have to go back to bible thumpers.

Poldy

In article <BE17BCC9.30742%[email protected]>,
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Today`s news is that two well known French have key roles.
    > Audrey Tautou (the Amelie!) will play Sophie and Jean Reno
    > the French detective. Since the story mainly takes place
    > in France it is good publicity for French Tourism.

Does French tourism depend on American movies?

Despite the cool relations between France and the US, I thought France
still remained a top destination, even to Americans?

Anyways, there are plenty of American movies set in France all the time,
aren't they? Just saw the DVD of "Le Divorce" on sale. Suppose to be a
dreadful movie but it's based on a novel by a writer who is supposedly a
big Parisphile.

Earl Evleth

in article [email protected], poldy at
[email protected] wrote on 24/01/05 6:20:

    > In article <BE17BCC9.30742%[email protected]>,
    > Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Today`s news is that two well known French have key roles.
    >> Audrey Tautou (the Amelie!) will play Sophie and Jean Reno
    >> the French detective. Since the story mainly takes place
    >> in France it is good publicity for French Tourism.
    >
    > Does French tourism depend on American movies?
    >
    > Despite the cool relations between France and the US, I thought France
    > still remained a top destination, even to Americans?

An old French saying is "toujours plus"

    > Anyways, there are plenty of American movies set in France all the time,
    > aren't they? Just saw the DVD of "Le Divorce" on sale. Suppose to be a
    > dreadful movie but it's based on a novel by a writer who is supposedly a
    > big Parisphile.

The writer of Le Divorce describes a social class we are not nor do we know
anybody here in France who is. But then they would live in the 16th or
Neuilly and we live in the 6th!

Curiously the key academic of the De Vinci Code also does not speak French.
Most American academics who specialize in something like art history would
probably speak some French, however. While the key French characters in the
film will speak English in the film I am wondering what they will do with
the run of the mill French people also in the film. I would prefer French
with a few English subtitles to give it authenticity.

Earl

Magda

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Curiously the key academic of the De Vinci Code also does not speak French.
... Most American academics who specialize in something like art history would
... probably speak some French, however. While the key French characters in the
... film will speak English in the film I am wondering what they will do with
... the run of the mill French people also in the film. I would prefer French
... with a few English subtitles to give it authenticity.

Like seeing "Novecento" in English... that was hard. :(((

Nitram

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:55:05 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
    >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ...
    > ... Curiously the key academic of the De Vinci Code also does not speak French.
    > ... Most American academics who specialize in something like art history would
    > ... probably speak some French, however. While the key French characters in the
    > ... film will speak English in the film I am wondering what they will do with
    > ... the run of the mill French people also in the film. I would prefer French
    > ... with a few English subtitles to give it authenticity.
    >Like seeing "Novecento" in English... that was hard. :(((

I hate dubbed films. I much prefer the alternative - original sound
track with subtitles.
--
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Magda

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:03:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:55:05 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... Curiously the key academic of the De Vinci Code also does not speak French.
... > ... Most American academics who specialize in something like art history would
... > ... probably speak some French, however. While the key French characters in the
... > ... film will speak English in the film I am wondering what they will do with
... > ... the run of the mill French people also in the film. I would prefer French
... > ... with a few English subtitles to give it authenticity.
... >
... >Like seeing "Novecento" in English... that was hard. :(((
...
... I hate dubbed films. I much prefer the alternative - original sound
... track with subtitles.

"Novecento" was not dubbed, the italian actors were speaking English. It made me cringe
for two hours.

Nitram

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:49:45 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:03:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
    >some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:55:05 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
    > ... wrote:
    > ...
    > ... >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
    > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... >
    > ... > ...
    > ... > ... Curiously the key academic of the De Vinci Code also does not speak French.
    > ... > ... Most American academics who specialize in something like art history would
    > ... > ... probably speak some French, however. While the key French characters in the
    > ... > ... film will speak English in the film I am wondering what they will do with
    > ... > ... the run of the mill French people also in the film. I would prefer French
    > ... > ... with a few English subtitles to give it authenticity.
    > ... >
    > ... >Like seeing "Novecento" in English... that was hard. :(((
    > ...
    > ... I hate dubbed films. I much prefer the alternative - original sound
    > ... track with subtitles.
    >"Novecento" was not dubbed, the italian actors were speaking English. It made me cringe
    >for two hours.

.... >> ... 1:0
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Earl Evleth

in article [email protected], nitram at
[email protected] wrote on 24/01/05 14:03:

    > I hate dubbed films.


French TV have them all the time. I am now use to John Wayne speaking
French! Naturally they used a deep throated French voice, not squeeky.

Earl

Nitram

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:48:41 +0100, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >in article [email protected], nitram at
    >[email protected] wrote on 24/01/05 14:03:
    >> I hate dubbed films.
    >French TV have them all the time. I am now use to John Wayne speaking
    >French!

All German films used to be dubbed by a tiny team in Berlin.

    > Naturally they used a deep throated French voice, not squeeky.

On TV 5 they sometimes show films/programs with foreign language
subtitles, but never with English subtitles.
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Martin