Mxsmanic

nitram writes:

    > The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    > ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    > France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.

The first statement isn't really true. I haven't met or seen too many
Americans who want to be like the French. They may wish to imitate or
emulate some aspects of French culture, but they don't want to be
French. Rather like the attitude that mainstream American culture has
towards blacks.

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Mxsmanic

The Rev Gaston writes:

    > So you keep saying, but it simply isn't true. What makes you think that it is?

The crowds in Starbucks and McDonald's; the American songs on the radio;
the American television programs on TV. The constant influx of English
words into the language. Other things.

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Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, The Rev Gaston
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 2005-01-22 09:08:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >
    > > B Vaughan writes:
    > >
    > >> I heard so much about how sick the French are of the Da Vinci code,
    > >> and then I saw that it was one of the top 10 best selling books in
    > >> France.
    > >
    > > The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >
    > So you keep saying, but it simply isn't true. What makes you think that it is?

Chirac has said specifically that he wants to be a "counter-weight" to
the U.S.... meaning equal. Who else, or at least allies, has made such
comments ?

jay
Sat Jan 22, 2005
mailto:[email protected]

    >
    > G;

JohnT

"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    > What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
    > "The French" and "they".
What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like him.

JohnT

Nitram

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0000, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >> What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
    >> "The French" and "they".
    >What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
    >meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like him.

Do you find that plausible?
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JohnT

"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0000, "JohnT"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]. ..
    >>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>>>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>> What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
    >>> "The French" and "they".
    >>What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
    >>meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like
    >>him.
    > Do you find that plausible?

Not really. Particularly if he walked up to me in the Louvre wearing
shorts and hiking boots, chomping on a big Mac and gurgling on grape
soda. But I may be wrong because I don't know what "cognitive dissonance"
means.

JohnT

The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 13:08:15 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:

    > nitram writes:
    >
    >> The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >> France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >
    > The first statement isn't really true. I haven't met or seen too many
    > Americans who want to be like the French. They may wish to imitate or
    > emulate some aspects of French culture, but they don't want to be
    > French. Rather like the attitude that mainstream American culture has
    > towards blacks.

That describes what I think the attitude of the French to Americans is:
they wish, for example, to wear symbols of an American image of
individualism, but they have no real desire to become obese morons
governed by a Bible-thumping cretin.

G;

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The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 13:09:35 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:

    > The Rev Gaston writes:
    >
    >> So you keep saying, but it simply isn't true. What makes you think that it is?
    >
    > The crowds in Starbucks and McDonald's; the American songs on the radio;
    > the American television programs on TV. The constant influx of English
    > words into the language. Other things.

Seems rather a leap of logic, to suppose that wishing to drink a large
cup of coffee indicates that you want to be a permanent resident of a
La-Z-Boy armchair?

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The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 13:12:27 +0100, Go Fig <[email protected]> said:

    > In article <[email protected]>, The Rev Gaston
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2005-01-22 09:08:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >>
    >>> B Vaughan writes:
    >>>
    >>>> I heard so much about how sick the French are of the Da Vinci code,
    >>>> and then I saw that it was one of the top 10 best selling books in
    >>>> France.
    >>>
    >>> The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>
    >> So you keep saying, but it simply isn't true. What makes you think that it is?
    >
    > Chirac has said specifically that he wants to be a "counter-weight" to
    > the U.S.... meaning equal. Who else, or at least allies, has made such
    > comments ?

Eh? Did you actually read the thread you replied to?

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The Rev Gaston

On 2005-01-22 14:03:32 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> said:

    >
    > "Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>> USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>
    >> What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
    >> "The French" and "they".
    >>
    > What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
    > meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like him.
    >
    > JohnT

The mind, she boggles - is it a good time to buy stock in shorts manufacturers?

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Nitram

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:23:55 -0000, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0000, "JohnT"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>>>>ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>>>>USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >>>> What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
    >>>> "The French" and "they".
    >>>What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
    >>>meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like
    >>>him.
    >> Do you find that plausible?
    >Not really. Particularly if he walked up to me in the Louvre wearing
    >shorts and hiking boots, chomping on a big Mac and gurgling on grape
    >soda. But I may be wrong because I don't know what "cognitive dissonance"
    >means.

You probably wouldn't recognise it, if it struck you in the face :-)
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Mxsmanic

The Rev Gaston writes:

    > Seems rather a leap of logic, to suppose that wishing to drink a large
    > cup of coffee indicates that you want to be a permanent resident of a
    > La-Z-Boy armchair?

Most French people don't know anything about armchairs. Their
understanding of America and Americans comes from television and motion
pictures. And that's what fascinates them.

They might not want to be the way Americans really are, but the vast
majority of them have no idea how Americans really are.

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Magda

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:39:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On 2005-01-22 14:03:32 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> said:
...
... >
... > "Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... > news:[email protected]...
... >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
... >>
... >>> The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
... >>> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
... >>> USA in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
... >>
... >> What cognitive dissonance? Examine your argument. Explain the terms
... >> "The French" and "they".
... >>
... > What he may be saying, indirectly, is that the French people whom he
... > meets are aware that he is a USAian and that they wannabe more like him.
... >
... > JohnT
...
... The mind, she boggles - is it a good time to buy stock in shorts manufacturers?

Gaston is really becoming French... The mind is a "she" ? ;))

Deep Foiled Malls

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:38:12 +0100, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 2005-01-22 13:12:27 +0100, Go Fig <[email protected]> said:
    >> In article <[email protected]>, The Rev Gaston
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2005-01-22 09:08:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >>>
    >>>> B Vaughan writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I heard so much about how sick the French are of the Da Vinci code,
    >>>>> and then I saw that it was one of the top 10 best selling books in
    >>>>> France.
    >>>>
    >>>> The French are the most rabid wannabe Americans on the planet;
    >>>
    >>> So you keep saying, but it simply isn't true. What makes you think that it is?
    >>
    >> Chirac has said specifically that he wants to be a "counter-weight" to
    >> the U.S.... meaning equal. Who else, or at least allies, has made such
    >> comments ?
    >Eh? Did you actually read the thread you replied to?

Did you actually read who posted it?

(Hint: It was Jay)
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The Rev Gaston wrote:

    > On 2005-01-22 13:08:15 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >
    >> nitram writes:
    >>> The Americans are the most rabid wannabe French on the planet;
    >>> ironically, they are also among those who complain the most about the
    >>> France in public. They don't seem to notice the cognitive dissonance.
    >> The first statement isn't really true. I haven't met or seen too many
    >> Americans who want to be like the French. They may wish to imitate or
    >> emulate some aspects of French culture, but they don't want to be
    >> French. Rather like the attitude that mainstream American culture has
    >> towards blacks.
    >
    >
    > That describes what I think the attitude of the French to Americans is:
    > they wish, for example, to wear symbols of an American image of
    > individualism, but they have no real desire to become obese morons
    > governed by a Bible-thumping cretin.
    >
    > G;
    >



So instead they want to be Bible-hating cretins governed by an obese moron.