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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:57:28 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy) wrote:
    >
    > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:46:16 +0100, The Reids
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Following up to yaofeng
    > >> >
    > >> >>I told myself Europe will be off the
    > >> >>list for a while. It is for the simple reason the darn green backs are
    > >> >>just too beaten up in exchange. I'll go back when the exchange rate is
    > >> >>more favorable, if there will again be such a day.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>The Caribbean sun beckons in Costa Rica.
    > >> >
    > >> >Spain is much cheaper than UK.
    > >>
    > >> Where isn't?
    > >
    > >Norway!
    >
    > I might have guessed. Is that the full list?

In Europe, probably, but it might be city specific too. I'd say Dublin
is just as expensive as the UK (a pint of guinness in the Temple Bar
area is more than you'd pay anywhere for one in Manchester), but I don't
know about the rest of Ireland. I've never been to Iceland, but I'd
suspect it was up there- maybe Finland, Sweden and Denmark too? For
cities, well quite a few European capitals might give London a good run
for the money.

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escrito:

    > Jordi <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I enjoy going to places and finding various musical references, usually
    > classical. Granada and the Alhambra have a few, including two piano
    > works by Debussy- "La soirée dans Granade" and "La puerta del Viño." The
    > latter is at the Alhambra, and there's even a little plaque
    > commemorating the piece, which I thought was rather nice. Of course,
    > there's de Falla's evocative "Noches en los jardines de España" but I
    > don't know if they refer to specific gardens.
    >
    > --

"Recuerdos de la Alhambra" by Tarrega :)

J.

Martin

On 10 Aug 2005 10:04:09 -0700, "Akuvikate" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Ericka Kammerer wrote:
    >> It's not goofy at all. No way would I limit our travel
    >> (or anything else) to just toddler activities. For one thing,
    >> the 10 and 8 year olds would complain mightily, not to mention
    >> the adults ;-)
    >I exaggerate. We certainly intend to do mostly stuff that we all
    >enjoy, but I anticipate that there will be moments when the best for
    >all concerned will be to stay in the hotel and watch cartoons or let
    >her run around in a park. And when we're doing thigns that aren't as
    >intrinsically interesting to a two year old we'll have to be engaging
    >her in some way (ie, pointing things out in the Alhambra or getting her
    >away from things she shouldn't touch). On the upside, I've heard over
    >and over that especially in child-friendly places like Spain and Costa
    >Rica having a little kid with you brings a lot of interest and positive
    >attention from the locals. By far my favorite part of travel is
    >meeting people and soaking up the local vibe, so that'll be great.
    >Kate, ignorant foot soldier of the medical cartel
    >and the Bug, 2 years

both Greece and Italy are good places to go with small children.
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > >Where about? With their print ads (and also the one on their front page)
    > >they include the taxes. Getting those fares is another thing though,
    > >though I have actually found the £31 fares for Manchester to Alicante.
    > >Maybe you're thinking of the booking system, which shows you the fares
    > >before tax?
    >
    > On their website. A'dam for GBP1 turns out never to be at that price.

But if you read the website ad, it says from £15 including tax. I can
find those fares now. I'm planning a break, and leaving Friday,
returning Sunday in January isn't bad at £35.

    > Jet2's cheapest single to A'dam from Manchester in the next week was
    > about GBP50 when I looked yesterday.

That's cheap, given that the budget airlines will often be quite
expensive at late notice.

    > Their so called cheap fares are more than we were paying BA and KLM 3
    > years ago for normal economy fares. Maybe it's time to check what BA
    > and KLM are charging.

Oh, this has come up here before. It's always worth checking the major
airlines. The budget airlines often don't beat the other carriers at
late notice- in fact, I've often gone with the likes of BA for cheaper
than the budget price. Also for me, it makes a difference in cost and
time depending on whether I leave from Liverpool or Manchester (the
latter is cheaper and quicker to get to) so I have to factor that in
too.

Our flight to Dublin last week was £44 return. On the same day, the Aer
Lingus flight wouldn't have been much more than that. If it had been a
longer flight to a more remote destination, I might have been inclined
to choose a major carrier if there had been a similar differential. As
it was, I was content to saw the tenner! :)

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Jordi <[email protected]> wrote:

    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco ha
    > escrito:
    >
    > > Jordi <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > I enjoy going to places and finding various musical references, usually
    > > classical. Granada and the Alhambra have a few, including two piano
    > > works by Debussy- "La soirée dans Granade" and "La puerta del Viño." The
    > > latter is at the Alhambra, and there's even a little plaque
    > > commemorating the piece, which I thought was rather nice. Of course,
    > > there's de Falla's evocative "Noches en los jardines de España" but I
    > > don't know if they refer to specific gardens.
    > >
    > > --
    >
    > "Recuerdos de la Alhambra" by Tarrega :)

And Alhambra Fantasy by Julian Anderson, a young UK composer!

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Martin

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:11:36 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:57:28 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >> offy) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:46:16 +0100, The Reids
    >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Following up to yaofeng
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>I told myself Europe will be off the
    >> >> >>list for a while. It is for the simple reason the darn green backs are
    >> >> >>just too beaten up in exchange. I'll go back when the exchange rate is
    >> >> >>more favorable, if there will again be such a day.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>The Caribbean sun beckons in Costa Rica.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Spain is much cheaper than UK.
    >> >>
    >> >> Where isn't?
    >> >
    >> >Norway!
    >>
    >> I might have guessed. Is that the full list?
    >In Europe, probably, but it might be city specific too. I'd say Dublin
    >is just as expensive as the UK (a pint of guinness in the Temple Bar
    >area is more than you'd pay anywhere for one in Manchester),

Tins of Guinness imported from Ireland were cheaper in bottle shops in
Oz than in UK supermarkets.

    > but I don't
    >know about the rest of Ireland. I've never been to Iceland, but I'd
    >suspect it was up there- maybe Finland, Sweden and Denmark too?

I'm not sure about Denmark, a Danish friend visited us in N Yorks last
year and commented on how expensive everything was.
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > I'm not sure about Denmark, a Danish friend visited us in N Yorks last
    > year and commented on how expensive everything was.

They obviously hadn't tried the (very good!) five quid 3-course lunch
special in Scarborough then! :)

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Martin

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:17:29 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> >Where about? With their print ads (and also the one on their front page)
    >> >they include the taxes. Getting those fares is another thing though,
    >> >though I have actually found the £31 fares for Manchester to Alicante.
    >> >Maybe you're thinking of the booking system, which shows you the fares
    >> >before tax?
    >>
    >> On their website. A'dam for GBP1 turns out never to be at that price.
    >But if you read the website ad, it says from £15 including tax.

Eventually.

    > I can
    >find those fares now. I'm planning a break, and leaving Friday,
    >returning Sunday in January isn't bad at £35.

If Jet2 survives that long.

    >> Jet2's cheapest single to A'dam from Manchester in the next week was
    >> about GBP50 when I looked yesterday.
    >That's cheap, given that the budget airlines will often be quite
    >expensive at late notice.

It hasn't been lower than that in the last three weeks.

    >> Their so called cheap fares are more than we were paying BA and KLM 3
    >> years ago for normal economy fares. Maybe it's time to check what BA
    >> and KLM are charging.
    >Oh, this has come up here before. It's always worth checking the major
    >airlines. The budget airlines often don't beat the other carriers at
    >late notice-

This isn't just late notice. The fares have been high right through
the holiday period.

    > in fact, I've often gone with the likes of BA for cheaper
    >than the budget price. Also for me, it makes a difference in cost and
    >time depending on whether I leave from Liverpool or Manchester (the
    >latter is cheaper and quicker to get to) so I have to factor that in
    >too.

The same for my kids. Jet2 fares from Leeds to A'dam are GBP 5 more
than from Manchester.


My son got to Skiathos for not much more than the fare to A'dam.
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Martin

Martin

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:20:33 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> I'm not sure about Denmark, a Danish friend visited us in N Yorks last
    >> year and commented on how expensive everything was.
    >They obviously hadn't tried the (very good!) five quid 3-course lunch
    >special in Scarborough then! :)

I think he meant mainly public transport and hotels . He was last in
UK in 1982. Beer prices had gone up by a factor of 4 too.

GBP5 is cheap we thought we were doing well at GBP6.50 in the
Scarborough area.
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Martin

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:17:29 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy) wrote:
    >
    > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >[]
    > >> >Where about? With their print ads (and also the one on their front page)
    > >> >they include the taxes. Getting those fares is another thing though,
    > >> >though I have actually found the £31 fares for Manchester to Alicante.
    > >> >Maybe you're thinking of the booking system, which shows you the fares
    > >> >before tax?
    > >>
    > >> On their website. A'dam for GBP1 turns out never to be at that price.
    > >
    > >But if you read the website ad, it says from £15 including tax.
    >
    > Eventually.

It states it on the ad itself- it is clear, if small print.

    >
    > > I can
    > >find those fares now. I'm planning a break, and leaving Friday,
    > >returning Sunday in January isn't bad at £35.
    >
    > If Jet2 survives that long.

Misery guts! :)

    >
    > >> Jet2's cheapest single to A'dam from Manchester in the next week was
    > >> about GBP50 when I looked yesterday.
    > >
    > >That's cheap, given that the budget airlines will often be quite
    > >expensive at late notice.
    >
    > It hasn't been lower than that in the last three weeks.

Probably because it's peak time, not unusual.

[]
    > >> Their so called cheap fares are more than we were paying BA and KLM 3
    > >> years ago for normal economy fares. Maybe it's time to check what BA
    > >> and KLM are charging.
    > >
    > >Oh, this has come up here before. It's always worth checking the major
    > >airlines. The budget airlines often don't beat the other carriers at
    > >late notice-
    >
    > This isn't just late notice. The fares have been high right through
    > the holiday period.

The trick is to book those flights the minute they're available.

Last month, separate flights we took, Manchester to Krakow, Katowice to
Budapest and Bratislava to Manchester were each around £20. Checking a
couple of months beforehand, all the flights were way more than that.
Indeed, I'd be surprised if those flights are available again, well not
the wizzair one from Katowice. In the other cases, the price before tax
was around a quid.

[]
    > The same for my kids. Jet2 fares from Leeds to A'dam are GBP 5 more
    > than from Manchester.

I'd consider Leeds if it was a good deal but again, the extra cost and
time is a consideration for me.

    > My son got to Skiathos for not much more than the fare to A'dam.

The last two times I've flown to Athens (from LON) the BA fare beat the
easyjet fare, and that was being very flexible, booking two months in
advance!

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Martin

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:32:58 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:17:29 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >> offy) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >[]
    >> >> >Where about? With their print ads (and also the one on their front page)
    >> >> >they include the taxes. Getting those fares is another thing though,
    >> >> >though I have actually found the £31 fares for Manchester to Alicante.
    >> >> >Maybe you're thinking of the booking system, which shows you the fares
    >> >> >before tax?
    >> >>
    >> >> On their website. A'dam for GBP1 turns out never to be at that price.
    >> >
    >> >But if you read the website ad, it says from £15 including tax.
    >>
    >> Eventually.
    >It states it on the ad itself- it is clear, if small print.
    >>
    >> > I can
    >> >find those fares now. I'm planning a break, and leaving Friday,
    >> >returning Sunday in January isn't bad at £35.
    >>
    >> If Jet2 survives that long.
    >Misery guts! :)
    >>
    >> >> Jet2's cheapest single to A'dam from Manchester in the next week was
    >> >> about GBP50 when I looked yesterday.
    >> >
    >> >That's cheap, given that the budget airlines will often be quite
    >> >expensive at late notice.
    >>
    >> It hasn't been lower than that in the last three weeks.
    >Probably because it's peak time, not unusual.
    >[]
    >> >> Their so called cheap fares are more than we were paying BA and KLM 3
    >> >> years ago for normal economy fares. Maybe it's time to check what BA
    >> >> and KLM are charging.
    >> >
    >> >Oh, this has come up here before. It's always worth checking the major
    >> >airlines. The budget airlines often don't beat the other carriers at
    >> >late notice-
    >>
    >> This isn't just late notice. The fares have been high right through
    >> the holiday period.
    >The trick is to book those flights the minute they're available.

Not when there are not cheap. Both Easyjet and Jet2 sometimes drop
their fares a week or two before the flight. The fare depends on
booking levels.

    >Last month, separate flights we took, Manchester to Krakow, Katowice to
    >Budapest and Bratislava to Manchester were each around £20. Checking a
    >couple of months beforehand, all the flights were way more than that.
    >Indeed, I'd be surprised if those flights are available again, well not
    >the wizzair one from Katowice. In the other cases, the price before tax
    >was around a quid.
    >[]
    >> The same for my kids. Jet2 fares from Leeds to A'dam are GBP 5 more
    >> than from Manchester.
    >I'd consider Leeds if it was a good deal but again, the extra cost and
    >time is a consideration for me.

It's not a good deal it's rubbish.
The last flight from A'dam arrived long after the last airport bus
left, the last time my son flew via Leeds.

    >> My son got to Skiathos for not much more than the fare to A'dam.
    >The last two times I've flown to Athens (from LON) the BA fare beat the
    >easyjet fare, and that was being very flexible, booking two months in
    >advance!

There is no longer an Easyjet flight from A'dam to Greece. KLM/Air
France tried to undercut Easyjet using their subsidiary Transavia and
Easyjet stopped flying to Greece from A'dam.
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    >>> Spain is much cheaper than UK.
    >> Where isn't?
    > Norway!

Switzerland, Iceland, Austria, Monaco.

That must be the lot.

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
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Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >>> Spain is much cheaper than UK.
    > >> Where isn't?
    > > Norway!
    >
    > Switzerland, Iceland, Austria, Monaco.

I've only been to Vienna, but I found it reasonable- certainly cheaper
than the UK from the visitor's point of view- i.e. meals, drinks,
accomodation, transport.

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Jack Campin - bogus address

    >>> I enjoy going to places and finding various musical references,

If you're ever in Edinburgh I have something that might be just
up your street, so to speak... look at my website... (I'm doing
a new edition, hopefully with maps).


    >> there's a pub near Hammersmith, either The Dove or The Blue
    >> Anchor where either Rule Britannia or Land of Hope and Glory
    >> were written. There's a plaque should you find yourself in
    >> Hammersmith.
    > It's the Dove Inn, but it's the words, not the music. Thomas
    > Arne wrote the music in the 18th century, with no thought that
    > it would be set to those words quite a bit later!

Wrong, the words were by James Thomson and the music was written
to fit them; it's a number in their musical _The Masque of Alfred_
(1740), which also involved the Scottish hack David Mallet (some
people have tried to blame "Rule Britannia" on him).

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557

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Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >>> I enjoy going to places and finding various musical references,
    >
    > If you're ever in Edinburgh I have something that might be just
    > up your street, so to speak... look at my website... (I'm doing
    > a new edition, hopefully with maps).
    >
    >
    > >> there's a pub near Hammersmith, either The Dove or The Blue
    > >> Anchor where either Rule Britannia or Land of Hope and Glory
    > >> were written. There's a plaque should you find yourself in
    > >> Hammersmith.
    > > It's the Dove Inn, but it's the words, not the music. Thomas
    > > Arne wrote the music in the 18th century, with no thought that
    > > it would be set to those words quite a bit later!
    >
    > Wrong, the words were by James Thomson and the music was written
    > to fit them; it's a number in their musical _The Masque of Alfred_
    > (1740), which also involved the Scottish hack David Mallet (some
    > people have tried to blame "Rule Britannia" on him).

Oh, I stand corrected then.

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