Condolences to the world and the minority of sane Americans
Nov 3rd 2004, 3:56 am
#76
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Re: Condolences to the world and the minority of sane Americans
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:07:14 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Following up to Magda
...
... > ... As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
... > ... printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
... >
... >Don't you mean "malakia", Mike ? ;)
...
... malakia? What does that mean?
Have you never been to Greece ??
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Following up to Magda
...
... > ... As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
... > ... printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
... >
... >Don't you mean "malakia", Mike ? ;)
...
... malakia? What does that mean?
Have you never been to Greece ??
Nov 3rd 2004, 3:58 am
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Re: Condolences to the world and the minority of sane Americans
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Sjoerd
>
>
>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>means.
>
>
> Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> voted Kerry" baseball caps!
Maybe the idea of pretending to be Canadian is no longer
such a silly idea! (Certainly many of us are no longer
proud to be American!)
> Following up to Sjoerd
>
>
>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>means.
>
>
> Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> voted Kerry" baseball caps!
Maybe the idea of pretending to be Canadian is no longer
such a silly idea! (Certainly many of us are no longer
proud to be American!)
Nov 3rd 2004, 3:59 am
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Re: Condolences to the world and the minority of sane Americans
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Sjoerd
>
> On my server I have four threads in a row about the US election
> result, three pro Bush, one anti, I note the three pros all type
> in capitals.
Hit the "shift lock" by mistake, and haven't a clue how to
change it?
>
> Following up to Sjoerd
>
> On my server I have four threads in a row about the US election
> result, three pro Bush, one anti, I note the three pros all type
> in capitals.
Hit the "shift lock" by mistake, and haven't a clue how to
change it?
>
Nov 3rd 2004, 4:02 am
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Earl Evleth wrote:
> in article [email protected], The Reids at
> [email protected] wrote on 3/11/04 11:32:
>
>
>>Following up to Sjoerd
>>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>>means.
>>Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
>>travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
>>we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
>>Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
>>making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
>>voted Kerry" baseball caps!
>>>Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>>I here promise to never eat a McDogburger, drink a coke or drive
>>a Humvee ever again! :-)
>>As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
>>printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
>
>
>
> I personally will cooperate with the US since my American social Security
> Checks from from there!
But how much longer will they send them overseas? (Medicare
deosn't cover there, as it is.) And if the dollar continues
to slip vis a vis the Euro, the value of that check will
continue to decrease, also.
> in article [email protected], The Reids at
> [email protected] wrote on 3/11/04 11:32:
>
>
>>Following up to Sjoerd
>>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>>means.
>>Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
>>travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
>>we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
>>Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
>>making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
>>voted Kerry" baseball caps!
>>>Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>>I here promise to never eat a McDogburger, drink a coke or drive
>>a Humvee ever again! :-)
>>As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
>>printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
>
>
>
> I personally will cooperate with the US since my American social Security
> Checks from from there!
But how much longer will they send them overseas? (Medicare
deosn't cover there, as it is.) And if the dollar continues
to slip vis a vis the Euro, the value of that check will
continue to decrease, also.
Nov 3rd 2004, 4:23 am
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Following up to Magda
>... malakia? What does that mean?
>Have you never been to Greece ??
no.
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>... malakia? What does that mean?
>Have you never been to Greece ??
no.
--
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Nov 3rd 2004, 4:46 am
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Re: Condolences to the world and the minority of sane Americans
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:02:19 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Earl Evleth wrote:
>> in article [email protected], The Reids at
>> [email protected] wrote on 3/11/04 11:32:
>>
>>
>>>Following up to Sjoerd
>>>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>>>means.
>>>Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
>>>travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
>>>we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
>>>Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
>>>making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
>>>voted Kerry" baseball caps!
>>>>Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>>>I here promise to never eat a McDogburger, drink a coke or drive
>>>a Humvee ever again! :-)
>>>As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
>>>printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally will cooperate with the US since my American social Security
>> Checks from from there!
>But how much longer will they send them overseas? (Medicare
>deosn't cover there, as it is.) And if the dollar continues
>to slip vis a vis the Euro, the value of that check will
>continue to decrease, also.
The Euro peaked against the dollar on 17th February 2004
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Earl Evleth wrote:
>> in article [email protected], The Reids at
>> [email protected] wrote on 3/11/04 11:32:
>>
>>
>>>Following up to Sjoerd
>>>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>>>means.
>>>Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
>>>travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
>>>we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
>>>Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
>>>making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
>>>voted Kerry" baseball caps!
>>>>Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>>>I here promise to never eat a McDogburger, drink a coke or drive
>>>a Humvee ever again! :-)
>>>As for travelling to US, I was already put of by the finger
>>>printing malarky, not that I do long haul in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally will cooperate with the US since my American social Security
>> Checks from from there!
>But how much longer will they send them overseas? (Medicare
>deosn't cover there, as it is.) And if the dollar continues
>to slip vis a vis the Euro, the value of that check will
>continue to decrease, also.
The Euro peaked against the dollar on 17th February 2004
--
Martin
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:06 am
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On 03 Nov 2004 12:01:23 GMT, ARKADYA wrote:
>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>
> Start by not watching our mmovies or listening to our music, never happen
Most of the movie and music companies are in states that voted in large
percentages AGAINST the current administration.
And a lot of the products that come out of "red" states (the ones who
supported Bush) are agricultural and raw materials. Do you really know
that French bread isn't made from Texas wheat?
--
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To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
>>It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
>>means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>
> Start by not watching our mmovies or listening to our music, never happen
Most of the movie and music companies are in states that voted in large
percentages AGAINST the current administration.
And a lot of the products that come out of "red" states (the ones who
supported Bush) are agricultural and raw materials. Do you really know
that French bread isn't made from Texas wheat?
--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:23 am
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"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:32:05 +0000, The Reids
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> >travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> >we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> >Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> >making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> >voted Kerry" baseball caps!
> Most of the USAians you meet overseas tend to dislike Bush as much as
> the rest of us, that's been my experience so far anyway.
Yep. Take a look at which states went red and which went blue. Then take a
look at such factors as median income and amount of education. Blue states
are international travelers, red states go to Disney World.
I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
populace.
Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
the west coast, the northeast or the upper midwest.
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:32:05 +0000, The Reids
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> >travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> >we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> >Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> >making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> >voted Kerry" baseball caps!
> Most of the USAians you meet overseas tend to dislike Bush as much as
> the rest of us, that's been my experience so far anyway.
Yep. Take a look at which states went red and which went blue. Then take a
look at such factors as median income and amount of education. Blue states
are international travelers, red states go to Disney World.
I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
populace.
Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
the west coast, the northeast or the upper midwest.
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:29 am
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:23:32 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Following up to Magda
...
... >... malakia? What does that mean?
... >
... >Have you never been to Greece ??
...
... no.
Malakia is Greek for stupidity, foolishness.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Following up to Magda
...
... >... malakia? What does that mean?
... >
... >Have you never been to Greece ??
...
... no.
Malakia is Greek for stupidity, foolishness.
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:35 am
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"Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate
> robbery. Ordinary people will suffer.
>
> It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all
> peaceful means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>
> And it seems the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage has passed in
> 10 or even all 11 states where it was on the ballot. A victory for
> intolerant Christian fundamentalists. The US is rapidly becoming the
> Christian equivalent of Iran.
>
The world suffers when bad decisions are made. I trust you will realize
that damn near half of us didn't buy into the big lie. Like you I am
afraid, unlike you I have my own state to fear.
We can't afford 4 more years and yet we have no real choice.
peace.
news:[email protected]:
> Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate
> robbery. Ordinary people will suffer.
>
> It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all
> peaceful means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
>
> And it seems the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage has passed in
> 10 or even all 11 states where it was on the ballot. A victory for
> intolerant Christian fundamentalists. The US is rapidly becoming the
> Christian equivalent of Iran.
>
The world suffers when bad decisions are made. I trust you will realize
that damn near half of us didn't buy into the big lie. Like you I am
afraid, unlike you I have my own state to fear.
We can't afford 4 more years and yet we have no real choice.
peace.
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:43 am
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In article <[email protected]>, PTravel
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:32:05 +0000, The Reids
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> > >travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> > >we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> > >Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> > >making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> > >voted Kerry" baseball caps!
> >
> > Most of the USAians you meet overseas tend to dislike Bush as much as
> > the rest of us, that's been my experience so far anyway.
> >
>
> Yep. Take a look at which states went red and which went blue. Then take a
> look at such factors as median income and amount of education. Blue states
> are international travelers, red states go to Disney World.
>
> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
> populace.
>
> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
> the west coast,
Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief !
jay
Wed Nov 03, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> the northeast or the upper midwest.
>
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:32:05 +0000, The Reids
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Assuming Bush has won I wonder if it will change anything for
> > >travellers. When people ask here "will I be welcome in Europe?"
> > >we have always said no problem. Re electing Bush in the face of
> > >Iraq might make some people see Americans as more culpable after
> > >making the same mistake twice? Perhaps Americans will need "I
> > >voted Kerry" baseball caps!
> >
> > Most of the USAians you meet overseas tend to dislike Bush as much as
> > the rest of us, that's been my experience so far anyway.
> >
>
> Yep. Take a look at which states went red and which went blue. Then take a
> look at such factors as median income and amount of education. Blue states
> are international travelers, red states go to Disney World.
>
> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
> populace.
>
> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
> the west coast,
Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief !
jay
Wed Nov 03, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> the northeast or the upper midwest.
>
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:45 am
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Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
> Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate robbery.
> Ordinary people will suffer.
>
> It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
> means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
I agree entirely with your sentiments, but I certainly will travel to
the US in the next 4 years. I'm not put off by the fact that just over
half the voters voted for someone I find execrable. Grow up. I'm sure
you go to plenty of countries with questionable policies. As for
boycotting US products, fine, go ahead. If you can. You'll quickly
realise you'll have to give up more than you can accept. Check your
computer OS for a start- I noticed you posted this using OE, so there's
a whiff of hypocrisy already. It's about more than just avoiding
Californian wines you know.
David
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> Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate robbery.
> Ordinary people will suffer.
>
> It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
> means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
I agree entirely with your sentiments, but I certainly will travel to
the US in the next 4 years. I'm not put off by the fact that just over
half the voters voted for someone I find execrable. Grow up. I'm sure
you go to plenty of countries with questionable policies. As for
boycotting US products, fine, go ahead. If you can. You'll quickly
realise you'll have to give up more than you can accept. Check your
computer OS for a start- I noticed you posted this using OE, so there's
a whiff of hypocrisy already. It's about more than just avoiding
Californian wines you know.
David
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Nov 3rd 2004, 5:53 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:03:11 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe it's something in the water...
>
>
> ... benzene in the Perrier again? :-)
Must be!
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:03:11 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe it's something in the water...
>
>
> ... benzene in the Perrier again? :-)
Must be!
Nov 3rd 2004, 6:10 am
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Miguel Cruz
>>> Ah, I always wondered why you bothered to retain your American
>>> citizenship...
>> There's also the little fact that it's almost impossible to give up.
> Its your own fault for marrying Tom Cruise, although I can see
> how the lack of a need for a significant name change was
> convenient, Pen'.
> Is it OK to call you "Pen" or do we stick with Miguel in public?
You know, if you're not going to take this seriously, I think someone else
is going to walk away with that autographed picture.
miguel
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> Following up to Miguel Cruz
>>> Ah, I always wondered why you bothered to retain your American
>>> citizenship...
>> There's also the little fact that it's almost impossible to give up.
> Its your own fault for marrying Tom Cruise, although I can see
> how the lack of a need for a significant name change was
> convenient, Pen'.
> Is it OK to call you "Pen" or do we stick with Miguel in public?
You know, if you're not going to take this seriously, I think someone else
is going to walk away with that autographed picture.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
Nov 3rd 2004, 6:13 am
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> PTravel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
>> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
>> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
>> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
>> populace.
>>
>> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
>> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
>> the west coast,
> Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief !
Paul probably should have said "Democratic VOTERS". Turnout in Compton is not
great.
miguel
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> PTravel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
>> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are necessarily
>> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an absolute
>> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
>> populace.
>>
>> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally. Statistically,
>> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban area in
>> the west coast,
> Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief !
Paul probably should have said "Democratic VOTERS". Turnout in Compton is not
great.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
