Clocks going back this weekend?
Oct 21st 2004, 4:14 pm
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Re: Clocks going back this weekend?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Ken Wheatley wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>> Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except for states
>>> in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it at all!)
>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
> Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
Fortunately in that part of Arizona the clock doesn't matter a whole lot.
> Ken Wheatley wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>> Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except for states
>>> in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it at all!)
>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
> Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
Fortunately in that part of Arizona the clock doesn't matter a whole lot.
Oct 22nd 2004, 4:56 am
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Re: Clocks going back this weekend?
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:28:28 -0700,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ken Wheatley wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>
>>>Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except
>>>for states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it
>>>at all!)
>>
>>
>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
>Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
might not change at all.
For instance, my home in Ohio adopted daylight time every year.
But Ohio counties didn't have the legal authority to do that, so
the surrounding county legally stayed on standard time. Since my
hometown was the county seat and the largest town in the county,
the rest of the county mostly set clocks to daylight time to
avoid confusion.
BUT.. Legally the county remained on standard time. Since state
law set bar closing time at 02:30, and 2:30 stadard time is 3:30
daylight tiem, the net effect was that bars outside the city
limits were open an hour later in the summer.
When I atended college in upstate New York, my roommate, who
lived in Massachusetts, and I had dates at Green Mountain College
in Vermont. I no longer reacall which state was on daylight time,
but the net effect was that, after a stop at my roomie's home in
Williams, Mass, we arrived an hour late for our dates in Vermont,
and the girls were gone. All this in an area about 70 miles
across.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ken Wheatley wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>
>>>Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except
>>>for states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it
>>>at all!)
>>
>>
>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
>Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
might not change at all.
For instance, my home in Ohio adopted daylight time every year.
But Ohio counties didn't have the legal authority to do that, so
the surrounding county legally stayed on standard time. Since my
hometown was the county seat and the largest town in the county,
the rest of the county mostly set clocks to daylight time to
avoid confusion.
BUT.. Legally the county remained on standard time. Since state
law set bar closing time at 02:30, and 2:30 stadard time is 3:30
daylight tiem, the net effect was that bars outside the city
limits were open an hour later in the summer.
When I atended college in upstate New York, my roommate, who
lived in Massachusetts, and I had dates at Green Mountain College
in Vermont. I no longer reacall which state was on daylight time,
but the net effect was that, after a stop at my roomie's home in
Williams, Mass, we arrived an hour late for our dates in Vermont,
and the girls were gone. All this in an area about 70 miles
across.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Oct 22nd 2004, 9:54 am
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Re: Clocks going back this weekend?
Hatunen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:28:28 -0700,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Ken Wheatley wrote:
>>>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>dates should apply indefinitely.
>>>>Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except
>>>>for states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it
>>>>at all!)
>>>It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>>>Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>>>totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>>>Arizona. Which doesn't.
>>Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
>
>
> It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
> mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
> local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
> tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
> might not change at all.
And back during WW2, the entire country was on "war" time
(which set the clocks back an hour for the "duration",
nationwide). On top of that, SOME of the areas who observed
"daylight savings" did so, anyway, by setting their clocks
back yet ANOTHER hour. However, they were even less
consistent about that, since some who had previously
observed daylight savings chose NOT to do so! (I think the
Hopi have the right idea, although it would play havoc with
airline schedules, nowadays.) ;->
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:28:28 -0700,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Ken Wheatley wrote:
>>>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>dates should apply indefinitely.
>>>>Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except
>>>>for states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it
>>>>at all!)
>>>It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>>>Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>>>totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>>>Arizona. Which doesn't.
>>Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
>
>
> It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
> mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
> local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
> tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
> might not change at all.
And back during WW2, the entire country was on "war" time
(which set the clocks back an hour for the "duration",
nationwide). On top of that, SOME of the areas who observed
"daylight savings" did so, anyway, by setting their clocks
back yet ANOTHER hour. However, they were even less
consistent about that, since some who had previously
observed daylight savings chose NOT to do so! (I think the
Hopi have the right idea, although it would play havoc with
airline schedules, nowadays.) ;->
Oct 22nd 2004, 1:13 pm
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Re: Clocks going back this weekend?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Hatunen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:28:28 -0700,
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Ken Wheatley wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>>>> Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except for
>>>>> states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it at all!)
>>>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>>>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>>>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>>>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
>>> Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
>> It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
>> mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
>> local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
>> tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
>> might not change at all.
> And back during WW2, the entire country was on "war" time (which set the
> clocks back an hour for the "duration", nationwide). On top of that,
> SOME of the areas who observed "daylight savings" did so, anyway, by
> setting their clocks back yet ANOTHER hour. However, they were even
> less consistent about that, since some who had previously observed
> daylight savings chose NOT to do so! (I think the Hopi have the right
> idea, although it would play havoc with airline schedules, nowadays.) ;->
Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
> Hatunen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:28:28 -0700,
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Ken Wheatley wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:35:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> dates should apply indefinitely.
>>>>> Nice that the whole world is becoming consistent. (Except for
>>>>> states in the U.S. like Arizona, which don't observe it at all!)
>>>> It's certainly a little confusing. Last summer I found myself in a
>>>> Hopi village - which doesn't observe daylight saving, which was
>>>> totally enclosed by the Navajo nation - which does observe it - inside
>>>> Arizona. Which doesn't.
>>> Oh dear, I had no idea it was THAT complicated!
>> It was far worse before Congress passed he time act in the
>> mid-1960s. Most places daylight time was local option and the
>> local jurisdiction would pick the date for the change. This meant
>> tow cities nor far apart might change on different dates, or one
>> might not change at all.
> And back during WW2, the entire country was on "war" time (which set the
> clocks back an hour for the "duration", nationwide). On top of that,
> SOME of the areas who observed "daylight savings" did so, anyway, by
> setting their clocks back yet ANOTHER hour. However, they were even
> less consistent about that, since some who had previously observed
> daylight savings chose NOT to do so! (I think the Hopi have the right
> idea, although it would play havoc with airline schedules, nowadays.) ;->
Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
Oct 22nd 2004, 6:52 pm
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Frank F. Matthews writes:
> Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
> good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
All my computers, my clocks, and even my wristwatch handle the changes
automatically. I don't have to care when they occur.
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> Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
> good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
All my computers, my clocks, and even my wristwatch handle the changes
automatically. I don't have to care when they occur.
--
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Oct 22nd 2004, 9:51 pm
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:52:12 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Frank F. Matthews writes:
>> Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
>> good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
>All my computers, my clocks, and even my wristwatch handle the changes
>automatically. I don't have to care when they occur.
AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
--
Martin
wrote:
>Frank F. Matthews writes:
>> Not really. The changes are known well in advance and computers are
>> good at keeping that kind of thing straight.
>All my computers, my clocks, and even my wristwatch handle the changes
>automatically. I don't have to care when they occur.
AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
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Oct 23rd 2004, 1:45 am
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[email protected] writes:
> AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
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> AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
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Oct 23rd 2004, 2:19 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:45:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
>I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
That's your problem.
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wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
>I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
That's your problem.
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Oct 23rd 2004, 3:28 am
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In any case, Gates doesn't figure in my comment. What I intended is
that the airline computers can easily take care if the shift in arrival
time for a flight from LA to Phoenix caused by the change of Arizona
from the same time as LA to the same time as Denver on a given date this
fall. When making reservations they will simply show a different
arrival time for a reservation on Saturday than the one that they will
show on Sunday.
Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
pressure to get it right.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:45:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] writes:
>>>AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
>>I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
>
>
> That's your problem.
that the airline computers can easily take care if the shift in arrival
time for a flight from LA to Phoenix caused by the change of Arizona
from the same time as LA to the same time as Denver on a given date this
fall. When making reservations they will simply show a different
arrival time for a reservation on Saturday than the one that they will
show on Sunday.
Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
pressure to get it right.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:45:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] writes:
>>>AFAIR Bill Gates repeatedly screwed up the date of change.
>>I don't see how Bill Gates is relevant to this discussion.
>
>
> That's your problem.
Oct 23rd 2004, 3:35 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>pressure to get it right.
Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>pressure to get it right.
Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
--
Martin
Oct 23rd 2004, 5:18 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
> >pressure to get it right.
>
> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
Which European PC OS got it right ?
jay
Sat Oct 23, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
> >pressure to get it right.
>
> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
Which European PC OS got it right ?
jay
Sat Oct 23, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
Oct 23rd 2004, 5:21 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>> >pressure to get it right.
>>
>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>Which European PC OS got it right ?
Not Win based ones.
--
Martin
>In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>> >pressure to get it right.
>>
>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>Which European PC OS got it right ?
Not Win based ones.
--
Martin
Oct 23rd 2004, 5:27 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>> >pressure to get it right.
>>
>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>Which European PC OS got it right ?
Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
they did.
Jim.
>In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>> >pressure to get it right.
>>
>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>Which European PC OS got it right ?
Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
they did.
Jim.
Oct 23rd 2004, 5:31 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:27:03 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>>> >pressure to get it right.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>>Which European PC OS got it right ?
>Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
>they did.
More than 20,000,000 plus copies of WinXP?
--
Martin
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
>>> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
>>> >pressure to get it right.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
>>Which European PC OS got it right ?
>Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
>they did.
More than 20,000,000 plus copies of WinXP?
--
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Oct 23rd 2004, 5:33 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Jim Ley
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
> >> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
> >> >pressure to get it right.
> >>
> >> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
> >
> >Which European PC OS got it right ?
>
> Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
> they did.
Hardly a dedicated "PC" OS....
jay
Sat Oct 23, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Jim.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:18:38 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Gates's minions do try to make the transition simple for most folks but
> >> >get caught up in the details. Airline programmers are under more
> >> >pressure to get it right.
> >>
> >> Bill Gates got it wrong in Europe year after year.
> >
> >Which European PC OS got it right ?
>
> Well symbian sold a hell of a lot more OSs than MS last year, so maybe
> they did.
Hardly a dedicated "PC" OS....
jay
Sat Oct 23, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Jim.
