Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn

Tim Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:

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    > I've been away too long. I haven't heard of half of them.

Yes, in particular the digital stations are recent additions.

David

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nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:22:11 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:47:21 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:54:29 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:27:22 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:40:41 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Sarah Banick wrote:
    >>>>>> Thanks everyone! 116 pounds a year -- wow, that's pricey.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Sarah
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>Not compared to what people are prepared to pay for $ky TV. Can amount
    >>>>>to £400 a year, for complete cr*p.
    >>>>
    >>>> Only in UK? Does anybody shell out money on this scale anywhere else?
    >>>Premiere in Germany is Eur45 a month for the full packet: Eur540/year.
    >>
    >> We get 32 channels of world wide produced rubbish, including BBC1
    >> BBC2, for that.
    >whereas Premiere subscribers only get 32 channels of world wide produced
    >rubbish.
    >I'd pay another 160 quid just to get BBC legally and easily here.

There's not much original stuff that's not aimed at the moronic on BBC
nowadays. As a result I have almost stopped watching TV.

I'd like to have ITV Channel 4 and maybe a few more French TV
channels.

nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:23:08 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:47:53 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:57:15 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:12:50 GMT, Sarah Banick wrote:
    >>>> Thanks everyone! 116 pounds a year -- wow, that's pricey.
    >>>The equivalent licencing for Austria is between Eur17 and Eur22 a month
    >>>depending on state. (Eur204-264) *and* they have advertising as well on all
    >>>channels.
    >>
    >> In NL there is no TV license.
    >Really?
    >How are the national channels financed? Advertising?
Partly via advertising. Somebody will correct me if I am wrong, but
AFAIR it worked out much cheaper to pay for the service directly from
the national budget funded by income tax, than pay for an empire of
bureaucrats to collect, control and enforce the collection. The same
logic was used for not having an annual tax on boat owners. Perhaps if
UK is going to dump110,000 civil servants they might be thinking along
the same lines.

nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:27:17 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:21:59 +0100, chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th'
    >barn wrote:
    >> Tim Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:23:24 +0100, JohnT wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> You are aware that there are NO COMMERCIALS on any of the four BBC TV
    >>>>channels?
    >>>
    >>> Nor on any of the (20-30 odd?) radio stations which are also funded by the
    >>> licence.
    >>
    >> There are more than 4 TV channels though, no? BBC1, 2, 3, 4, News 24,
    >> Parliament and the two children's channels- CBBC and Cbeebies. There are
    >> extra channels used for special events- for example when wimbledon is
    >> on, you can choose from several games to watch if you have digital,
    >> cable or freeview.
    >>
    >> (BBC1 will have all the local variants, local news etc- also, I'm pretty
    >> sure that BBC2 Scotland (and Wales?) frequently vary from England's
    >> BBC2.)
    >>
    >> Radio stations, well, the national ones, Radio 1,2,3,4,5, then the
    >> digital-only broadcasts- BBC 6, 7, 1 extra, Asian Network and 5live
    >> sports extra. (R1-5 are broadcast on analogue and digital.)
    >>
    >> There are 40 local radio stations in England alone.
    >>
    >> In Scotland, there's Radio Scotland and Radio nan Gaidheal, plus local
    >> stations. Wales has Radio Wales and Radio Cymru. NI has Radio Ulster and
    >> Radio Foyle.
    >>
    >> I'm sure I've missed some!
    >>
    >> David
    >I've been away too long. I haven't heard of half of them.

and unless you live in the right place, you can't receive most of the
newer TV channels. There are still places, which can't receive Channel
5 TV.
You can get some of the BBC local radio stations via Internet.

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:13:57 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:23:08 +0200, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:47:53 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:57:15 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:12:50 GMT, Sarah Banick wrote:
    >>>>> Thanks everyone! 116 pounds a year -- wow, that's pricey.
    >>>>The equivalent licencing for Austria is between Eur17 and Eur22 a month
    >>>>depending on state. (Eur204-264) *and* they have advertising as well on all
    >>>>channels.
    >>>
    >>> In NL there is no TV license.
    >>Really?
    >>How are the national channels financed? Advertising?
    > Partly via advertising. Somebody will correct me if I am wrong, but
    > AFAIR it worked out much cheaper to pay for the service directly from
    > the national budget funded by income tax, than pay for an empire of
    > bureaucrats to collect, control and enforce the collection. The same
    > logic was used for not having an annual tax on boat owners. Perhaps if
    > UK is going to dump110,000 civil servants they might be thinking along
    > the same lines.

Good point. That'll never happen in Austria. The "Civil Servant" enjoys a
special status protected by law.

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Tim C.

Keith Willshaw

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    > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:27:17 +0200, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
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    > and unless you live in the right place, you can't receive most of the
    > newer TV channels. There are still places, which can't receive Channel
    > 5 TV.

You can get them on any of the digital media, freeview, cable
or Sky

    > You can get some of the BBC local radio stations via Internet.

And ALL the national radio stations

Keith

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn

<[email protected]> wrote:

    > and unless you live in the right place, you can't receive most of the
    > newer TV channels. There are still places, which can't receive Channel
    > 5 TV.

I think the freeview area (where you can receive digital broadcasts)
covers around 75% of the UK population, but the plan is basically to
extend it everywhere. Indeed, there is pressure to do so as it's
basically unfair that you can't pick up the channels if it's been funded
out of the license fee. I'd actually argue that if you live in a
non-freeview area, you should be paying a discounted license fee.

There may well be people who can't pick up channel 5 in analogue, but
can get it via freeview.

    > You can get some of the BBC local radio stations via Internet.

The main stations are broadcast digitally via freeview. I don't have
DAB, so the freeview broadcasts are very useful for me. It means that
you can listen to music stations (and indeed record things you're
interested in- which is probably illegal) in CD quality.

David

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nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:36:39 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:27:17 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >.
    >> and unless you live in the right place, you can't receive most of the
    >> newer TV channels. There are still places, which can't receive Channel
    >> 5 TV.
    >You can get them on any of the digital media, freeview, cable
    >or Sky

When we last tried in July this year, we couldn't receive Channel 5 in
Ruswarp near Whitby, using either conventional reception or digital
terrestrial.
I don't think you should have to invest in satellite TV reception to
receive one of the main TV channels.

nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:55:15 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> and unless you live in the right place, you can't receive most of the
    >> newer TV channels. There are still places, which can't receive Channel
    >> 5 TV.
    >I think the freeview area (where you can receive digital broadcasts)
    >covers around 75% of the UK population, but the plan is basically to
    >extend it everywhere. Indeed, there is pressure to do so as it's
    >basically unfair that you can't pick up the channels if it's been funded
    >out of the license fee. I'd actually argue that if you live in a
    >non-freeview area, you should be paying a discounted license fee.
    >There may well be people who can't pick up channel 5 in analogue, but
    >can get it via freeview.

as you said in freeview areas!

    >> You can get some of the BBC local radio stations via Internet.
    >The main stations are broadcast digitally via freeview. I don't have
    >DAB, so the freeview broadcasts are very useful for me. It means that
    >you can listen to music stations (and indeed record things you're
    >interested in- which is probably illegal) in CD quality.

Expats do this all over Europe.

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn

<[email protected]> wrote:

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    > When we last tried in July this year, we couldn't receive Channel 5 in
    > Ruswarp near Whitby, using either conventional reception or digital
    > terrestrial.

You had digital terrestrial? Then you would have picked up channel 5.

    > I don't think you should have to invest in satellite TV reception to
    > receive one of the main TV channels.

I certainly think you shouldn't have to pay a license fee if you can't
pick up the BBC TV channels.

David

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nitram

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:58:14 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> When we last tried in July this year, we couldn't receive Channel 5 in
    >> Ruswarp near Whitby, using either conventional reception or digital
    >> terrestrial.
    >You had digital terrestrial? Then you would have picked up channel 5.

I had the equipment for it, but there is/was no digital terrestrial in
Whitby.

    >> I don't think you should have to invest in satellite TV reception to
    >> receive one of the main TV channels.
    >I certainly think you shouldn't have to pay a license fee if you can't
    >pick up the BBC TV channels.

it's an old problem isn't it.

Keith Willshaw

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    > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:36:39 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > When we last tried in July this year, we couldn't receive Channel 5 in
    > Ruswarp near Whitby, using either conventional reception or digital
    > terrestrial.

You cant get it in properly from Sandy Heath , Beds either and the bloody
mast
looms above my house. The problem power of the C5 signal is one
hundred times weaker than the power of the signals from the
other four channels and is swamped

    > I don't think you should have to invest in satellite TV reception to
    > receive one of the main TV channels.
yeah but this is only channel 5 :)

Keith

Hatunen

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:45:51 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:45:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:23:24 +0100, JohnT wrote:
    >>> You are aware that there are NO COMMERCIALS on any of the four BBC TV channels?
    >>Nor on any of the (20-30 odd?) radio stations which are also funded by the
    >>licence.
    >Nor on the BBC GBP5 million web site.

But there are commercials on BBC America.

************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Frank F. Matthews

The BBC America isn't funded by the fees. Appropriate since the fee
payers don't see it. They may get source material at a reduced rate but
it's mostly old stuff.

Hatunen wrote:
    > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:45:51 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    >>On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:45:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >><[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:23:24 +0100, JohnT wrote:

    >>>>You are aware that there are NO COMMERCIALS on any of the four BBC TV channels?
    >>>Nor on any of the (20-30 odd?) radio stations which are also funded by the
    >>>licence.

    >>Nor on the BBC GBP5 million web site.

    > But there are commercials on BBC America.
    >
    > ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
    > * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
    > * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

JohnT

"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:45:51 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:45:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:23:24 +0100, JohnT wrote:
    >>>> You are aware that there are NO COMMERCIALS on any of the four BBC TV
    >>>> channels?
    >>>Nor on any of the (20-30 odd?) radio stations which are also funded by the
    >>>licence.
    >>Nor on the BBC GBP5 million web site.
    > But there are commercials on BBC America.
    > ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************


There are also Commercials on BBC World and BBC Prime which are, just like BBC
America, run as commercial undertakings only for people outside the UK. News
apart, I found on visits to Septic land that BBC America is about as interesting
as watching paint dry. Incidentally, BBC News 24 in the UK carries "ABC World
News Tonight".

JohnT