Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
Jun 21st 2002 | 3:20 pm
#16
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
Limey Dave wrote:
> "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Bunch of bull!
> >
> > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> >
> > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which will waste
> > much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the ploy.
>
> Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible. The saving
> in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having to go around
> because of it is another story, but I understand that the 10k speed limit is busted
> on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they can only issue you an airspeed, and not a
> ground speed, if you know what i mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
>
> Limey Dave.
Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac between
hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing them.
On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' ! Certainly quick
! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on them for sure.
Pooh.
> "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Bunch of bull!
> >
> > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> >
> > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which will waste
> > much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the ploy.
>
> Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible. The saving
> in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having to go around
> because of it is another story, but I understand that the 10k speed limit is busted
> on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they can only issue you an airspeed, and not a
> ground speed, if you know what i mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
>
> Limey Dave.
Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac between
hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing them.
On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' ! Certainly quick
! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on them for sure.
Pooh.
Jun 22nd 2002 | 9:20 am
#17
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
"H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Limey Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
>
> Absolutely, but once I got to age 55, I said to hell with it.
>
>
Unfortunately, most of my winter neighbors seem to concur.
Limey Dave.
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Limey Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
>
> Absolutely, but once I got to age 55, I said to hell with it.
>
>
Unfortunately, most of my winter neighbors seem to concur.
Limey Dave.
Jun 22nd 2002 | 9:20 am
#18
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
"Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > > Bunch of bull!
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > >
> > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which
will
> > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the
> > > ploy.
> >
> > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
The
> > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having to
> > go around because of it is another story, but I understand
that
> > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they
can
> > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what i
> > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
>
> Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac
between
> hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
them.
>
> On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
Certainly
> quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on
them
> for sure.
>
> Pooh.
>
Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very fast puts a
lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know where
maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly WRT taxi I'd imagine.
Limey Dave.
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > > Bunch of bull!
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > >
> > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which
will
> > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the
> > > ploy.
> >
> > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
The
> > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having to
> > go around because of it is another story, but I understand
that
> > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they
can
> > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what i
> > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
>
> Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac
between
> hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
them.
>
> On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
Certainly
> quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on
them
> for sure.
>
> Pooh.
>
Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very fast puts a
lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know where
maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly WRT taxi I'd imagine.
Limey Dave.
Jun 22nd 2002 | 11:20 am
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
Limey Dave wrote:
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > >
> > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > >
> > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which
> will
> > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the
> > > > ploy.
> > >
> > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
> The
> > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having
> > > to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> that
> > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they
> can
> > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what i
> > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> >
> > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac
> between
> > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> them.
> >
> > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> Certainly
> > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on
> them
> > for sure.
> >
> > Pooh.
> >
>
> Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very fast puts a
> lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know where
> maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly WRT taxi I'd imagine.
>
> Limey Dave.
I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're just trying
to re-live past fun ?
Pooh.
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > >
> > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > >
> > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds, which
> will
> > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by the
> > > > ploy.
> > >
> > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as possible.
> The
> > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final and having
> > > to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> that
> > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course, they
> can
> > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what i
> > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> >
> > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the tarmac
> between
> > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> them.
> >
> > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> Certainly
> > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed on
> them
> > for sure.
> >
> > Pooh.
> >
>
> Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very fast puts a
> lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know where
> maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly WRT taxi I'd imagine.
>
> Limey Dave.
I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're just trying
to re-live past fun ?
Pooh.
Jun 23rd 2002 | 3:20 am
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
"Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
which
> > will
> > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by
> > > > > the ploy.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
possible.
> > The
> > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final
and
> > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> > that
> > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course,
they
> > can
> > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what
i
> > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > >
> > > > Limey Dave.
> > >
> > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > >
> > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
tarmac
> > between
> > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> > them.
> > >
> > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> > Certainly
> > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed
on
> > them
> > > for sure.
> > >
> > > Pooh.
> > >
> >
> > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very
fast
> > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know
> > where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly
WRT
> > taxi I'd imagine.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're
just
> trying to re-live past fun ?
>
>
I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
Seriously,
maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing question.
Limey Dave.
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
which
> > will
> > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by
> > > > > the ploy.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
possible.
> > The
> > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final
and
> > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> > that
> > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course,
they
> > can
> > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what
i
> > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > >
> > > > Limey Dave.
> > >
> > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > >
> > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
tarmac
> > between
> > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> > them.
> > >
> > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> > Certainly
> > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed
on
> > them
> > > for sure.
> > >
> > > Pooh.
> > >
> >
> > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very
fast
> > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know
> > where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly
WRT
> > taxi I'd imagine.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're
just
> trying to re-live past fun ?
>
>
I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
Seriously,maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing question.
Limey Dave.
Jun 23rd 2002 | 3:20 pm
#21
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
Limey Dave wrote:
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> which
> > > will
> > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by
> > > > > > the ploy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> possible.
> > > The
> > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final
> and
> > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> > > that
> > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course,
> they
> > > can
> > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what
> i
> > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > >
> > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > >
> > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> tarmac
> > > between
> > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> > > Certainly
> > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed
> on
> > > them
> > > > for sure.
>
> > > > Pooh.
> > >
> > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very
> fast
> > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know
> > > where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly
> WRT
> > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're
> just
> > trying to re-live past fun ?
> >
> >
> I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun. Seriously,
> maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing question.
>
> Limey Dave.
Ummmm - who was having the fun then ? Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing at
around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we cornered. The flight
wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
Graham.
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> which
> > > will
> > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished by
> > > > > > the ploy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> possible.
> > > The
> > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on final
> and
> > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I understand
> > > that
> > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of course,
> they
> > > can
> > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know what
> i
> > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > >
> > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > >
> > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> tarmac
> > > between
> > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love* timing
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as 'interesting' !
> > > Certainly
> > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good speed
> on
> > > them
> > > > for sure.
>
> > > > Pooh.
> > >
> > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing very
> fast
> > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be interesting to know
> > > where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty quickly
> WRT
> > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe they're
> just
> > trying to re-live past fun ?
> >
> >
> I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
Seriously,> maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing question.
>
> Limey Dave.
Ummmm - who was having the fun then ? Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing at
around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we cornered. The flight
wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
Graham.
Jun 24th 2002 | 10:20 am
#22
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
"Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> > which
> > > > will
> > > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished
> > > > > > > by the ploy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> > possible.
> > > > The
> > > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on
final
> > and
> > > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I
understand
> > > > that
> > > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of
course,
> > they
> > > > can
> > > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know
what
> > i
> > > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > > >
> > > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> > tarmac
> > > > between
> > > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love*
timing
> > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as
'interesting' !
> > > > Certainly
> > > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good
speed
> > on
> > > > them
> > > > > for sure.
> >
> > > > > Pooh.
> > > >
> > > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing
very
> > fast
> > > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be
interesting to
> > > > know where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty
quickly
> > WRT
> > > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > > >
> > > > Limey Dave.
> > >
> > > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe
they're
> > just
> > > trying to re-live past fun ?
> > >
> > >
> > I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
> > Seriously, maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing
question.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> Ummmm - who was having the fun then ?
Ummmmm, the Brits. Didn't we shoot a large percentage of them down?
Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing
> at around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we
cornered.
> The flight wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
>
That's the sort of speed I'd expect to hear about damage occuring, particularly in
corners. The lateral load at that speed would be huge, if my basic, simple, scrawny
understanding is correct.
Limey Dave.
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> > which
> > > > will
> > > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be accomplished
> > > > > > > by the ploy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> > possible.
> > > > The
> > > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on
final
> > and
> > > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I
understand
> > > > that
> > > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of
course,
> > they
> > > > can
> > > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know
what
> > i
> > > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > > >
> > > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> > tarmac
> > > > between
> > > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love*
timing
> > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as
'interesting' !
> > > > Certainly
> > > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good
speed
> > on
> > > > them
> > > > > for sure.
> >
> > > > > Pooh.
> > > >
> > > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing
very
> > fast
> > > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be
interesting to
> > > > know where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty
quickly
> > WRT
> > > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > > >
> > > > Limey Dave.
> > >
> > > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe
they're
> > just
> > > trying to re-live past fun ?
> > >
> > >
> > I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
> > Seriously, maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing
question.
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> Ummmm - who was having the fun then ?
Ummmmm, the Brits. Didn't we shoot a large percentage of them down?
Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing
> at around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we
cornered.
> The flight wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
>
That's the sort of speed I'd expect to hear about damage occuring, particularly in
corners. The lateral load at that speed would be huge, if my basic, simple, scrawny
understanding is correct.
Limey Dave.
Jun 24th 2002 | 12:20 pm
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Re: Budget airlines' pilots cut corners
Limey Dave wrote:
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> > > which
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be
> > > > > > > > accomplished by the ploy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> > > possible.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on
> final
> > > and
> > > > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I
> understand
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of
> course,
> > > they
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know
> what
> > > i
> > > > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> > > tarmac
> > > > > between
> > > > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love*
> timing
> > > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as
> 'interesting' !
> > > > > Certainly
> > > > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good
> speed
> > > on
> > > > > them
> > > > > > for sure.
> > >
> > > > > > Pooh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing
> very
> > > fast
> > > > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be
> interesting to
> > > > > know where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty
> quickly
> > > WRT
> > > > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > >
> > > > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe
> they're
> > > just
> > > > trying to re-live past fun ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
> > > Seriously, maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing
> question.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > Ummmm - who was having the fun then ?
>
> Ummmmm, the Brits. Didn't we shoot a large percentage of them down?
>
> Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing
> > at around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we
> cornered.
> > The flight wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
> >
> That's the sort of speed I'd expect to hear about damage occuring, particularly in
> corners. The lateral load at that speed would be huge, if my basic, simple, scrawny
> understanding is correct..
Hmmm - they did slow down for corners !
Graham
> "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Limey Dave wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "H Pylori" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "CS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bunch of bull!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm inclined to agree unless I see corroboration of the claim.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Busting requested speeds would only result in more go-arounds,
> > > which
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > waste much more time than the small savings that could be
> > > > > > > > accomplished by the ploy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, most people do try to keep their speed up as long as
> > > possible.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > saving in time and fuel is worth doing so. Being too fast on
> final
> > > and
> > > > > > > having to go around because of it is another story, but I
> understand
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the 10k speed limit is busted on a regular basis. ;0) Of
> course,
> > > they
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > only issue you an airspeed, and not a ground speed, if you know
> what
> > > i
> > > > > > > mean....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Memorable flight, LHR-FRA with Lufthansa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lightly loaded A320 ( weekend flight ) spent about 12 secs on the
> > > tarmac
> > > > > between
> > > > > > hitting the throttles and an absence of wheel rumble. I *love*
> timing
> > > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On arrival, the taxi speed would best be described as
> 'interesting' !
> > > > > Certainly
> > > > > > quick ! Reckon FRA has some long taxiways, you can get up a good
> speed
> > > on
> > > > > them
> > > > > > for sure.
> > >
> > > > > > Pooh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, if that is company policy, it is a little puzzling. Taxiing
> very
> > > fast
> > > > > puts a lot of unnecessary stress on the airplane, it'd be
> interesting to
> > > > > know where maintenance costs would overrule fuel savings. Pretty
> quickly
> > > WRT
> > > > > taxi I'd imagine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Limey Dave.
> > > >
> > > > I've heard Lufthansa employs not a few ex-Luftwaffe pilots. Maybe
> they're
> > > just
> > > > trying to re-live past fun ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I was always under the impression that it wasn't them having the fun.
> > > Seriously, maybe Jerry or Ian can shed some light on the taxiing
> question.
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> > Ummmm - who was having the fun then ?
>
> Ummmmm, the Brits. Didn't we shoot a large percentage of them down?
>
> Seriously, I reckon that A320 was taxiing
> > at around 40-50 mph at FRA. I seem to recall grabbing my seat as we
> cornered.
> > The flight wasn't even late - dead on time in fact.
> >
> That's the sort of speed I'd expect to hear about damage occuring, particularly in
> corners. The lateral load at that speed would be huge, if my basic, simple, scrawny
> understanding is correct..
Hmmm - they did slow down for corners !
Graham
