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Old Jun 5th 2003, 10:30 am
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Jim Ley
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:03 +0100, "John" wrote:

    >Can anyone give me any feedback on Hedge Mazes in the United Kingdom?

Longleat has a nice maze.

    >I thought of taking a day trip to Hampton Court Palace (I'm in London), but
    >it's a bit pricey and I'm really only going to see the Hedge Maze;

The Maze is well under 3 UKP IIRC, and certainly not expensive, the
Palace itself is expensive, but the grounds are free, and are well
worth a visit on their own.

Jim.
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 11:57 am
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:32:17 GMT, [email protected] (Hatunen) wrote:


    >I will make my own opinion that Hamptpon Court Palace may be the
    >most interesting palace you will see in the UK unless you really
    >go for castles (a rather different thing) and have a keen
    >interest in ramparts, moats and salients and other aspects of
    >medieval defense systems.

Does anyone have any recommendations for old (even ruined) castles?
I've heard that the Dordogne valley is full of them, but I haven't
seen for myself.
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 3:31 pm
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    > On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:57:22 GMT, Hatunen wrote:
    > >>Can anyone give me any feedback on Hedge Mazes in the United Kingdom?
    > >>
    > >>I thought of taking a day trip to Hampton Court Palace (I'm in London),
but
    > >>it's a bit pricey and I'm really only going to see the Hedge Maze; So
I'm
    > >>not sure if I should try another one or if there is a bigger and/or more
    > >>elaborate one somewhere else?
    > >
    > > I strongly urge you to see the palace as well.
    > This looks like a really nice palace. We have a day (with car) in the
    > London vicinity, and I was planning on going to Windsor Castle. Does
    > anyone have an opinion of how this compares to Windsor - might it be a
    > better place to visit?
    > Then again, his will be at the end of a long trip and we'll have seen a
    > bunch of castles & palaces by that time, so we might just decide to hang
    > out in pubs all day. :-)
    > --
    > -BB-

BB,

Other than both have been homes to the British Royal Court, each suffered
from a devastating fire in the late 1980's-'90s, they're two different
animals. It all depends on what you're most interested in.

Hampton Court Palace is a sprawling place, beautiful formal gardens,
including the infamous "hedge maze," interesting and varying architecture,
depending on what portion of the palace you're standing in or looking at,
(successive monarchs had their own ideas about what a royal residence should
be), and a real treat especially if you're a Tudor fan and would like to see
what life was like (for Henry, et. al., anyway) during this era.

Unlike Windsor Castle, the last time Hampton Court Palace used by the Royal
Family was 1737. That doesn't mean you get the impression the place is just
a well-kept museum, but in many ways, since there are no royals to disturb
there, it does have a distinctly different flavor, than Windsor.

Windsor, on the other hand, has its own charms. It's the largest inhabited
castle in the world, and the oldest in continuous occupation (over 900
years). Queen Mary's Doll House is a marvel in miniaturization, engineering
and craftsmanship, the rooms in Windsor Castle are stunning, especially St.
George's Hall, where legend has it, the Knights of the Round Table walked
through on their way to battle.
St. George's Chapel is also impressive -- ten monarchs are buried there
including Henry VIII with his wife Jane Seymour.

Either can be reached by car, but to tell you the truth, I wouldn't bother
driving to either. A short train ride (about 30 mins) from London will get
you to either with a minimum of fuss or bother for under $10-12 USD
roundtrip.

A couple of other tips...

At Hampton Court Palace, a portable "Audio Guide" (really a pre-programmed
CD, with player and headphones) is included in your admission price, and you
can choose which portion of the palace you'd like to tour and in what order,
and do it at your own pace.

At prescribed times throughout the day, it is also possible to obtain "an
invitation" to go on a guided tour by costumed guides whose commentary
"brings the palace to life" much more so than the Audio Guide commentary.

To get your invitation (no additional charge), simply go to the office
adjacent to where you pick up an Audio Guide, and ask for the guided costume
tour of your choice. It's a first-come, first-served type of arrangement,
so if the next tour is sold out, ask for tickets to the next one after
that -- or just choose another.

At Windsor, an Audio Guide is available, but at additional charge on top of
what you pay for admission. *Don't* skimp. Get the Audio Guide. I've done
Windsor Castle with and without -- and with one it's a totally more
interesting, and rewarding experience.

Regardless of which venue you choose to visit, don't try to do either on a
tight schedule. One of the docents at Hampton Court Palace remarked to me
that the biggest mistake visitors make is not allowing enough time to tour
the palace and grounds. I couldn't agree more -- and ditto for Windsor
Castle as well.

Finally, a word about the two towns...

Personally, I think Windsor is far more charming. Lots of quaint and unique
shops, restaurants, and a cozy feel. If you visit Windsor Castle, it is
possible to do part of it -- Castle, and the Upper Ward, for example, then
take a break for lunch outside the castle, and return to do the rest.

All you need to do is stop in the gift shop located in the Lower Ward and
request a wrist bracelet. Then, re-enter the venue through the ticket
office, and they'll simply wave you through and wish you a fine day.

Hampton Court doesn't offer this option, at least they didn't last month
when I was there.

But on the other hand, the layout and types of shops in Hampton Court,
aren't of the same ilk, and quite frankly, Hampton Court Palace and the
surrounding grounds are so vast, I don't know whether one would have the
stamina to walk the breadth of it more than once, no matter how hungry.
Besides, there are couple of food venues inside the palace, which should
tide you over nicely, if need be.

Regardless of which one you decide to visit, I'm sure you'll have a
memorable time. Hope this info helps, and have a great trip!

Livadia
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 3:37 pm
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ah. I didn't know this, I thought you had to buy a ticket for the whole
palace (almost 12 pounds I think).


"Jim Ley" wrote in message
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    > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:03 +0100, "John" wrote:
    > >Can anyone give me any feedback on Hedge Mazes in the United Kingdom?
    > Longleat has a nice maze.
    > >I thought of taking a day trip to Hampton Court Palace (I'm in London),
but
    > >it's a bit pricey and I'm really only going to see the Hedge Maze;
    > The Maze is well under 3 UKP IIRC, and certainly not expensive, the
    > Palace itself is expensive, but the grounds are free, and are well
    > worth a visit on their own.
    > Jim.
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 6:07 pm
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    > ah. I didn't know this, I thought you had to buy a ticket for the whole
    > palace (almost 12 pounds I think).
    > "Jim Ley" wrote in message
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    > > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:03 +0100, "John" wrote:
    > >
    > > >Can anyone give me any feedback on Hedge Mazes in the United Kingdom?
    > >
    > > Longleat has a nice maze.
    > >
    > > >I thought of taking a day trip to Hampton Court Palace (I'm in London),
    > but
    > > >it's a bit pricey and I'm really only going to see the Hedge Maze;
    > >
    > > The Maze is well under 3 UKP IIRC, and certainly not expensive, the
    > > Palace itself is expensive, but the grounds are free, and are well
    > > worth a visit on their own.
    > >
    > > Jim.
    > >
Yep, that's right. Tickets to the palace are pricey but all inclusive
(11.30 GBP). However, you can walk right in/through the gardens for
nothing, and tickets to the maze only can be purchased for around 3 GBP.

Livadia
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 8:38 pm
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Following up to Frank Clarke

    >Does anyone have any recommendations for old (even ruined) castles?
    >I've heard that the Dordogne valley is full of them, but I haven't
    >seen for myself.

there are many in UK, Wales has particularly good examples, Much of
Spain is covered with castles in varying states of repair.
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Old Jun 5th 2003, 9:03 pm
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    > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:38:18 +0100, "John" wrote:
    > >wow. How does that work? Are there attendants at various points who know
    > >their way around the maze? or do you just yell really loud and hope they
    > >come get you?
    > I hate to shatter peoples illusions, but the maze is IMO tiny, and you
    > would have no problem with a "Help". being heard from anywhere.

there is actually a secret to finding your way out of the maze at HC, but it
spoild the adventure if you know the secret so I wont tell.
 
Old Jun 5th 2003, 10:46 pm
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The Reid wrote in message
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    > Following up to Frank Clarke
    > >Does anyone have any recommendations for old (even ruined) castles?
    > >I've heard that the Dordogne valley is full of them, but I haven't
    > >seen for myself.
    > there are many in UK, Wales has particularly good examples, Much of
    > Spain is covered with castles in varying states of repair.
    > --
Yep - Wales is superb if 1200+ is early enough.
Delighted to give more specific info if needed.

Surreyman
 
Old Jun 6th 2003, 12:13 am
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Following up to Miss L.Toe

    >> I hate to shatter peoples illusions, but the maze is IMO tiny, and you
    >> would have no problem with a "Help". being heard from anywhere.
    >there is actually a secret to finding your way out of the maze at HC, but it
    >spoild the adventure if you know the secret so I wont tell.

IIRC you can overhear people trying to find the way out from the gents
in the Kings Head, a rather nice pub.
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Old Jun 6th 2003, 3:39 am
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In article , Frank Clarke
wrote:

    > On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:32:17 GMT, [email protected] (Hatunen) wrote:
    >
    >
    > >I will make my own opinion that Hamptpon Court Palace may be the
    > >most interesting palace you will see in the UK unless you really
    > >go for castles (a rather different thing) and have a keen
    > >interest in ramparts, moats and salients and other aspects of
    > >medieval defense systems.
    >
    > Does anyone have any recommendations for old (even ruined) castles?
    > I've heard that the Dordogne valley is full of them, but I haven't
    > seen for myself.
    >

Real castles abound in several parts of Germany. I hunt them regularly
8-) When _I_ say "castle" I mean the real thing, not a palace or a
19th-century so-called "reconstruction", so most of the ones that
impress me most are ruins.

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Old Jun 6th 2003, 4:47 am
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"John" writes:

    > Hi,
    >
    > Can anyone give me any feedback on Hedge Mazes in the United Kingdom?
    >
    > I thought of taking a day trip to Hampton Court Palace (I'm in London), but
    > it's a bit pricey and I'm really only going to see the Hedge Maze; So I'm
    > not sure if I should try another one or if there is a bigger and/or more
    > elaborate one somewhere else?

Hever castle (I think) has a rather large one, but it was not as
well-kept as Hampton Court IMO. Must be many other gardens with
mazes? Hedge-mazes are usually fairly modern, dating from the 18th
to 20th century. BTW, there is a vague technical difference between a
"maze" and a "labyrinth" in that in one you follow a single path from
the entrance to the exit, whereas the other has branching paths and
you can get lost. Unfortunately, I can't at the moment remember which
is which.

More interesting to me are turf-mazes, which are generally much older
(at least in origin -- they have been rebuilt over the centuries). I
found a link which describes some of these:

http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/edge/Mazes.htm

IIRC, there is a modern hedge-maze at Breamor Castle in Hampshire,
which is part of their entertainment, but there is also a turf-maze
some ways off, so if you want to see both, you could go there.

Regards,
Allen
 
Old Jun 6th 2003, 7:54 am
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Heaver Castle in Edenbridge, Kent.
Not far from London, and it has a nice hedge maze.
And Leeds Castle in Maidstone, Kent, also has
a hedge maze.
 
Old Jun 6th 2003, 7:57 am
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    > Yep - Wales is superb if 1200+ is early enough.
    > Delighted to give more specific info if needed.

Agree. The four castles of Edward I are excellent.
And there is a castle in Cardigan which is also dated to
about the same time. Outstanding castles through most
of the country.
 
Old Jun 6th 2003, 9:47 am
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I have bitter memories of visiting Hampton Court with a school party, age
10, and getting lost in the maze. A kind attendant let me out just in time to
join the school bus. Nobody had missed me, and to cap it all, I lost my
sandwiches. A guy doesn't forget that kind of thing!! >>

Wow! If you had lived here in the USA, lawyers would have been knocking on your
door and you'd have had a wonderful law suit to enjoy.
 
Old Jun 7th 2003, 12:25 am
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"Steltzjr" wrote in message
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    > I have bitter memories of visiting Hampton Court with a school party,
age
    > 10, and getting lost in the maze. A kind attendant let me out just in time
to
    > join the school bus. Nobody had missed me, and to cap it all, I lost my
    > sandwiches. A guy doesn't forget that kind of thing!! >>
    > Wow! If you had lived here in the USA, lawyers would have been knocking on
your
    > door and you'd have had a wonderful law suit to enjoy.

Well, we are talking about 1949!
 


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