White Monkey

    > It's a good thing that we look the other way when 14-year-old girls are
    > making our sneakers on slave wages in Malaysia. Or China.

Well, but that's "pro-economy", you see, which these days is the same as
"pro-American" which is, these days, the same as "good". These other people
are against war and hate and indiscriminate killing and nuclear escalation,
so they are by default "anti-American", which is these days the same thing
as "bad". Get it?
--Katrina

John Hill

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:06:17 +0100, "White Monkey"
wrote:

    >> German wines, you should be arrested by the taste police
    >> JH
    >I take it you've never had Liebfraumilch in summer.
    >--Katrina


Precisely my point

JH

stan

In rec.food.cooking Gregory Morrow wrote:
    > Hmmm...this is pretty interesting.....

    > In the last several days I've dropped by my local fave Chicago wine and food
    > purveyors (Sam's, Binny's, Treasure Island Supermarkets...). These are
    > high - end retailers who sell wine, cheese, food, etc. to a sophisticated
    > urban clientele...a typically "liberal" urban demographic that is comprised
    > of highly educated folks (many of whom are Jewish...)....

Idiocy reigns supreme. Never mind that the United States has gone against
many European initiatives such as a treaty on global warming, refusal to
meet EU standards for raising cattle, etc. Are these same people complaining
about the "do as I want, or else" foreign policy this country has? Are
these same boycotters all calling for the Bush administration to abide
by the recent United Nations World Court verdict where we are now under
obligation by treaty to give a Mexican man who has been sentensed to
death a new trial? I doubt it.

stan

In rec.food.cooking Pan wrote:
    > I hereby vow to increase purchases of products from those countries
    > (which in practice is likely to mainly mean France).
    > Michael, an American who says Thank Goodness for the French, German,
    > and Belgian governments for accurately representing their people and
    > talking sobrely and sensibly.

I agree completely. Hell, a week from this Friday, I am going to a wine
tasting where French wines will be featured. I can't believe some idiot
Pennsylvania Republican state legislator is calling for Pennylvania's
state stores to no longer stock French wines. How ridiculous. What about
letting each consumer make that decision, a.la. the free market?

stan

In rec.food.cooking White Monkey wrote:
    > Well, but that's "pro-economy", you see, which these days is the same as
    > "pro-American" which is, these days, the same as "good". These other people
    > are against war and hate and indiscriminate killing and nuclear escalation,
    > so they are by default "anti-American", which is these days the same thing
    > as "bad". Get it?

And do you think Cheney and Bush's other employers back in the Texas oil
plantations are going to give up their French wines and cheese and their
Russian caviar just because of this? I doubt it and I doubt this boycott
will last more than a few weeks. The American resolve for using their
consumer power to affect political or business decisions is extremely
weak and short lived.

Owen Roberts

Please see below, and then wonder why we in Europe sometimes find it
difficult to believe that SOME Americans use volume instead of reason;
invective rather than argument; and power as opposed to logic, and as a
result are not quite ready to just follow blindly "The Leaders of the Free
World".

"Gregory Morrow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Pan wrote:
    > > I hereby vow to increase purchases of products from those countries
    > > (which in practice is likely to mainly mean France).
    > >
    > > Michael, an American who says Thank Goodness for the French, German,
    > > and Belgian governments for accurately representing their people and
    > > talking sobrely and sensibly.
    > You louche STINKIN' Euroweenie DOUCHE bag -- you can't even spell
    > "sobrely".....SHEESH..!!!!!
    > --
    > Best
    > Greg "GAWD...!!!"

Owen Roberts

I have and I still think he was right

"White Monkey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > >Anyway, that all means we get more French cheese and German wines to
    > > >ourselves.
    > > German wines, you should be arrested by the taste police
    > > JH
    > I take it you've never had Liebfraumilch in summer.
    > --Katrina

Owen Roberts

Good God no; the very idea is dangerous, letting folks make there own minds
up; this would soon lead to rabid democracy.

wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > In rec.food.cooking Pan wrote:
    > >
    > > I hereby vow to increase purchases of products from those countries
    > > (which in practice is likely to mainly mean France).
    > >
    > > Michael, an American who says Thank Goodness for the French, German,
    > > and Belgian governments for accurately representing their people and
    > > talking sobrely and sensibly.
    > I agree completely. Hell, a week from this Friday, I am going to a wine
    > tasting where French wines will be featured. I can't believe some idiot
    > Pennsylvania Republican state legislator is calling for Pennylvania's
    > state stores to no longer stock French wines. How ridiculous. What about
    > letting each consumer make that decision, a.la. the free market?

Luca Logi

Gregory Morrow wrote:

    > The guy I talked to at one of the big liquor stores said that sales of Czech
    > and Russian and English and Polish and Japanese, etc. beers were
    > UP...likewise sales of Australian and New Zealand wines were UP by a factor
    > of two - three...wholesalers are *cancelling* any orders for French and
    > German stuff...in fact one guy told me "NO one is ordering French wine or
    > cheese anymore...I've had many of my accounts tell me 'Screw French or
    > German, etc. products'...if I depended on peddling French or German products
    > at this time, I would be BROKE......"
    >
    > One caterer friend who does lots of high end events told me: "We now have a
    > standing order: NO French or German wines, cheeses, etc.for any of our
    > clients..NO EXCEPTIONS...people are fed up...such products are not even to
    > be OFFERED."


The first Gulf war under Bush sr. was, by international agreement,
largely fought by US forces, but 80% of its expenses were paid by the
other allies (mainly Japan, then NATO nations). BTW, fighting such a war
was a nice way of subsidizing the US arms industry with foreign funds.

This time, if Dubya wants to run alone without hearing anybody's advice,
be prepared to foot the whole bill and don't wait for anybody's
contribution. In my opinion I would stop buying expensive wines at all,
as your money will be needed to pay for Dubya's imperial extravaganzas
(this and the next ones). And be sure that, with such a bill to pay, a
way will be found to take that money out of your pocket.


-- -----------------------------------------------------
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

Arri London

Gregory Morrow wrote:
    >
    > Hmmm...this is pretty interesting.....
    >
    > In the last several days I've dropped by my local fave Chicago wine and food
    > purveyors (Sam's, Binny's, Treasure Island Supermarkets...). These are
    > high - end retailers who sell wine, cheese, food, etc. to a sophisticated
    > urban clientele...a typically "liberal" urban demographic that is comprised
    > of highly educated folks (many of whom are Jewish...)....
    >
    > I talked to the gals and guys who do the buying for these US
    > stores....without skipping a BEAT they all said that sales of French and
    > German products are down DRASTICALLY...not because of the "bad economy",
    > but because many Americans are fed up with the anti - US shenanigans that
    > some in the EU are promulgating...so people are putting the kibbosh on
    > French and German and Belgian wines, beers, cheeses, and the like........
    >
    > The demographic that buys these products is highly educated, *not* a bunch
    > of Texas rednecks.....
    >
    > The guy I talked to at one of the big liquor stores said that sales of Czech
    > and Russian and English and Polish and Japanese, etc. beers were
    > UP...likewise sales of Australian and New Zealand wines were UP by a factor
    > of two - three...wholesalers are *cancelling* any orders for French and
    > German stuff...in fact one guy told me "NO one is ordering French wine or
    > cheese anymore...I've had many of my accounts tell me 'Screw French or
    > German, etc. products'...if I depended on peddling French or German products
    > at this time, I would be BROKE......"
    >
    > One caterer friend who does lots of high end events told me: "We now have a
    > standing order: NO French or German wines, cheeses, etc.for any of our
    > clients..NO EXCEPTIONS...people are fed up...such products are not even to
    > be OFFERED."
    >
    > Just thought I would share something here that until now has not been
    > reported in the "liberal" US media.....
    >
    > --
    > Best
    > Greg

ROTFL! That's been discussed on 'liberal' local news here
for at least two weeks. Only the retailer is being hurt as
far as lack of sales for things that were already purchased
wholesale.
While it does make people feel better, neither the French
nor German economy is going to be affected significantly.
Both countries, at last count, sell mostly at home and
within the EU.

Arri London

John Hill wrote:
    >
    > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:32:00 +0100, "Tim"
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Anyway, that all means we get more French cheese and German wines to
    > >ourselves.
    >
    > German wines, you should be arrested by the taste police ?
    >
    > JH

LOL! You don't really think the best German wines are
exported to the US do you? No more than the best French
wines or cheeses.

Anonymoose

Hi,

well quick... turn off your computer...

I'd bet it has Intel and/or AMD and/or Motorola chips in it.

Marie Lewis wrote:
    > In article ,
    > Gregory Morrow writes
    >
    >> One caterer friend who does lots of high end events told me: "We now
    >> have a
    >> standing order: NO French or German wines, cheeses, etc.for any of our
    >> clients..NO EXCEPTIONS...people are fed up...such products are not
    >> even to
    >> be OFFERED."
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I now have a principle by which I buy products, too.
    >
    > I buy only EU products. Guess why.


--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966

John Hill

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:22:25 -0700, Arri London
wrote:

    >> German wines, you should be arrested by the taste police ?
    >>
    >> JH
    >LOL! You don't really think the best German wines are
    >exported to the US do you? No more than the best French
    >wines or cheeses.


Typical arrogant American We don't all live in the Land of the free

I've tried German wine in Germany and Austrian anti freeze in Austria.

JH

Nik

"mrtravel" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Marie Lewis wrote:
    > > I now have a principle by which I buy products, too.
    > >
    > > I buy only EU products. Guess why.
    > > --
    > > Marie Lewis
    > I refused to buy products made in Libya or Iraq.
    > As far as I know, the governments of France and Germany are assisting
    > terrorists, so there is no reason not to buy from them.

Nope. You don't understand the point and - as GW mixing OBL and SH.. In fact
GW is supporting OBL by not implementing effective policies to get to the
root of Al Qaeda and give an effective and early end to his criminal
organisation. Fighting Iraq simply destroy his means of fighting OBL
effectively. These are wise words indeed:

"Anybody who wants to settle this crisis with military means must have an
answer to the question whether this will give a boost to the global alliance
against terrorism, to which more than 50 primarily Muslim nations belong, or
whether it might endanger or even break up this alliance, because this would
have disastrous consequences for the struggle against international
terrorism..."
These are very wise words indeed. Never understood by GWB. Guess who said
them. I'll give a bottle French wine to the one who answer first (but you'll
have to collect it at my address here in HK) ;>)



Nik.

Nik

"Devoto" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Gregory Morrow" wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    > > The demographic that buys these products is highly educated, *not* a
    > > bunch of Texas rednecks.....
    > >
    > > The guy I talked to at one of the big liquor stores said that sales of
    > > Czech and Russian and English and Polish and Japanese, etc. beers
    > > were UP..
    > Can't be that "highly educated" if they don't know Russia is pretty much
    > siding with France and Germany.

Sure and I wonder what would be the Japanese position?

Nik.