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PARIS - A new book released in France takes a critical look at what many
people here consider to be the nation's most respected newspaper, Le
Monde. In "La Face cachee du Monde" (The Dark Side of Le Monde), authors
Pierre Pean and Philippe Cohen accuse the daily of abusing its power and
using its editorial muscle to influence French politics.

Excerpts were first published last week in the magazine L'Express. The
book was printed in Spain in order to keep its contents secret,
according to Caroline Babulle, spokeswoman for its French publisher,
Fayard. Some 50,000 copies went on sale in France on Tuesday.

The authors claim Le Monde helped orchestrate the downfall of former
Prime Minister Lionel Jospin by promising one of his biographers a job
at Le Monde in exchange for proof that Jospin once had links to the
radical Trotskyite movement.

The authors also suggest that the paper was involved in some financial
misdealings, which Le Monde took umbrage with on Tuesday. The newspaper
published an editorial, a full page of articles refuting the allegations
and a separate column under the headline: "Le Monde informs its readers
annually about its accounts."

The newspaper said it figures "among the rare publications that
faithfully informs its readers every year of its economic situation ...
Le Monde goes beyond its legal obligations."

Le Monde, which in English means "The World," has a paid circulation of
more than 400,000 in France and abroad.


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Jim Morris

    > The authors claim Le Monde helped orchestrate the downfall of former
    > Prime Minister Lionel Jospin by promising one of his biographers a job
    > at Le Monde in exchange for proof that Jospin once had links to the
    > radical Trotskyite movement.

I still remember last year that book that was a best seller in France that
claimed
the US Government attacked itself on Sept. 11. I can't believe anyone would
be so
stupid as to believe something like that or spend money to buy a book like
that. Such Ignorance...... Of course the author has since been discredited
and
proved to be an idiot who invented his facts.

If I was a French Citizen I would look outside the country to
get the real news! I always thought their media brainwashed those
people. People of France - Try the BBC or CNN to get the facts on World
events!

Devil

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:12:44 +0000, Jim Morris wrote:

    >> The authors claim Le Monde helped orchestrate the downfall of former
    >> Prime Minister Lionel Jospin by promising one of his biographers a job
    >> at Le Monde in exchange for proof that Jospin once had links to the
    >> radical Trotskyite movement.
    >
    > I still remember last year that book that was a best seller in France that
    > claimed
    > the US Government attacked itself on Sept. 11. I can't believe anyone would
    > be so
    > stupid as to believe something like that or spend money to buy a book like
    > that. Such Ignorance...... Of course the author has since been discredited
    > and
    > proved to be an idiot who invented his facts.
    >
    > If I was a French Citizen I would look outside the country to
    > get the real news! I always thought their media brainwashed those
    > people. People of France - Try the BBC or CNN to get the facts on World
    > events!

Actually, one of the key accusations is that their boss is getting CIA
support.

One would think you would approve of that and the resulting editorial
contents?

Jim Morris

    > Actually, one of the key accusations is that their boss is getting CIA
    > support.
    > One would think you would approve of that and the resulting editorial
    > contents?

I doubt that. I think the reporting would be a little more pro-American
if that was the case. Probably that accusation is just part of the usual
Anti-American Hysteria coming from Europe these days (France Especially).

Marie Lewis

In article , Jim Morris
writes
    >Probably that accusation is just part of the usual
    >Anti-American Hysteria coming from Europe these days (France Especially).


Pot Kettle Black.
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Devil

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:50:04 +0000, Jim Morris wrote:

    >
    >> Actually, one of the key accusations is that their boss is getting CIA
    >> support.
    >> One would think you would approve of that and the resulting editorial
    >> contents?
    >
    > I doubt that. I think the reporting would be a little more pro-American
    > if that was the case. Probably that accusation is just part of the usual
    > Anti-American Hysteria coming from Europe these days (France Especially).

Hmm... Surely the book was wrtten quite a bit before the current issue
came up?

Paul Middlestat

    > I still remember last year that book that was a best seller in France that
    > claimed the US Government attacked itself on Sept. 11. I can't believe anyone
    > would be so stupid as to believe something like that or spend money to buy a
    > book like that. Such Ignorance...... Of course the author has since been
    > discredited and proved to be an idiot who invented his facts.

The book should have been expected. To the French, all the bad in the
world is some how the result of the United States. Not that such would
keep that country from asking for and expecting assistance from the USA were
their nation ever in trouble. The French certainly want security, but they
feel no obligation to pay for such. (Confirmed by their leaving NATO in
1964 in order to avoid having to pay for the security provided by the USA
and UK.)


    > If I was a French Citizen I would look outside the country to
    > get the real news! I always thought their media brainwashed those
    > people. People of France - Try the BBC or CNN to get the facts on World
    > events!

Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what the
major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that you did
not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about Saddam
recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed several years
ago? Have you read that it is considered highly likely that France exported
chemicals and machinery into Iraq, athough such items were banned by the UN
Resolution of 1991? (A Resolution which the French signed).

Jim Morris

    > Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
    > And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what the
    > major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that you
did
    > not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about Saddam
    > recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed several
years
    > ago?

Did you watch 60 minutes last week? A former Iraqi scientist who refused to
build
nuclear weapons for Saddam was imprisoned for 10 years before he escaped.
He said Saddam would torture someone's Child if for some reason the person
wasn't cooperating with them during interrogation. He would sit up at night
and listen
to it for years in his cell. He said it was so routine he got use to the
screams.

What I don't understand is why aren't the Protesters in Europe protesting
against
Saddam? Why aren't the so called "Human Shields" trying to protect the
imprisoned people
in Iraq? What about the 600 Kuwaiti Prisoners still being held in Iraq
reportably? Were are
the mass protests for these people?

Must be brainwashing from their media or the lack of in depth European
reporting.
Either they are mis-informed or just plain ignorant I guess.

Miguel Cruz

Paul Middlestat wrote:
    > Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
    > And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what the
    > major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that you
    > did not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about
    > Saddam recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed
    > several years ago?

Son-in-law. And it was reported endlessly.

miguel
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Jim Morris

"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
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    > Paul Middlestat wrote:
    > > Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
    > > And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what the
    > > major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that you
    > > did not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about
    > > Saddam recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed
    > > several years ago?
    > Son-in-law. And it was reported endlessly.

Yeah, the Son-In-Law was one of his former Henchmen
who squealed on him and then was foolish enough to return
back to Iraq after defecting. Apparently they shot and killed
him in his house and then dragged his body around from
meathooks shoved in his eye sockets...... Interesting.

Apparently one of Saddam's favorite tortures is by dipping
people in Caldron's full of Acid. Ouch!

Deep Floyd Mars

Jim Morris wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
    > > And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what the
    > > major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that you
    > did
    > > not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about
Saddam
    > > recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed several
    > years
    > > ago?
    > Did you watch 60 minutes last week? A former Iraqi scientist who refused
to
    > build
    > nuclear weapons for Saddam was imprisoned for 10 years before he escaped.
    > He said Saddam would torture someone's Child if for some reason the person
    > wasn't cooperating with them during interrogation. He would sit up at
night
    > and listen
    > to it for years in his cell. He said it was so routine he got use to the
    > screams.
    > What I don't understand is why aren't the Protesters in Europe protesting
    > against
    > Saddam? Why aren't the so called "Human Shields" trying to protect the
    > imprisoned people
    > in Iraq? What about the 600 Kuwaiti Prisoners still being held in Iraq
    > reportably? Were are
    > the mass protests for these people?
    > Must be brainwashing from their media or the lack of in depth European
    > reporting.
    > Either they are mis-informed or just plain ignorant I guess.

Ignorant? Mis-informed?

In regards to human rights, Saddam is just a run-of-the-mill dictator within
the region. Human rights don't mean a whole lot in the middle east, Saudi
Arabia included. Would you like to be graphically 'informed' as to some of
their policies on human rights? They are friends with the US, as such
America is endorsing their actions as acceptable.

And America glady hands overs 'suspects' to countries like Egypt, where they
know that torture will be used. This is a clear message that 'human rights'
mean little to America's leaders. Their cause is higher than the rights of
suspects. Apparently you were not 'informed' of that...
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Deep Floyd Mars

Jim Morris wrote in message
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    > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Paul Middlestat wrote:
    > > > Absolutely. There are many good on-line and radio-based news sources.
    > > > And if you locate enough of these you will eventually discover what
the
    > > > major media had not reported, and the events the media decided that
you
    > > > did not need to know. For example: Have you read anything bad about
    > > > Saddam recently? Were you aware that he had one of his sons' executed
    > > > several years ago?
    > >
    > > Son-in-law. And it was reported endlessly.
    > >
    > Yeah, the Son-In-Law was one of his former Henchmen
    > who squealed on him and then was foolish enough to return
    > back to Iraq after defecting. Apparently they shot and killed
    > him in his house and then dragged his body around from
    > meathooks shoved in his eye sockets...... Interesting.
    > Apparently one of Saddam's favorite tortures is by dipping
    > people in Caldron's full of Acid. Ouch!

Replace the word "apparently" with "rumour has it".
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Jim Morris

    > Replace the word "apparently" with "rumour has it".

I would bet that you believe he hasn't chemical weapons left either......

Devil

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:53:35 +0000, Jim Morris wrote:

    >
    >> Replace the word "apparently" with "rumour has it".
    >
    > I would bet that you believe he hasn't chemical weapons left either......

Also trying to compete for the straw man of the week?

Deep Floyd Mars

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    > > Replace the word "apparently" with "rumour has it".
    > I would bet that you believe he hasn't chemical weapons left either......

I would bet that you are feeling so stupid you would like to change the
subject.
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