Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
May 11th 2005, 5:11 pm
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Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
to stop anti-social behavior.
"Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
Karen
I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
to stop anti-social behavior.
"Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
Karen
May 11th 2005, 5:28 pm
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
On 2005-05-12 07:11:19 +0200, Karen <[email protected]> said:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
>
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
> everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
> style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
> I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
> that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
>
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
> Karen
Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
intimidating. I suppose the thinking is that rather than just take off
their silly hats and enter the mall, the yobbos will go elsewhere and
practice their car-stealing skills in a different location, terrorising
the hapless residents of council estates rather than nice middle class
shoppers.
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
>
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
> everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
> style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
> I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
> that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
>
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
> Karen
Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
intimidating. I suppose the thinking is that rather than just take off
their silly hats and enter the mall, the yobbos will go elsewhere and
practice their car-stealing skills in a different location, terrorising
the hapless residents of council estates rather than nice middle class
shoppers.
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May 11th 2005, 7:17 pm
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
"Karen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? ...
No, they feel intimidated by the behaviour of the people who wear them with
the express intent of stopping their faces from being recognisable on CCTV
security systems.
Colin Bignell
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? ...
No, they feel intimidated by the behaviour of the people who wear them with
the express intent of stopping their faces from being recognisable on CCTV
security systems.
Colin Bignell
May 11th 2005, 8:01 pm
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Karen wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
>
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
>
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
> everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
> style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
> I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
> that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
>
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>
> Karen
The real reason is the same as the reason that caps and hoods are not
allowed in a lot of pubs and clubs. Its that the cctv cameras cannot
see their faces.
Steve
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>
> I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
> interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
> wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
> to stop anti-social behavior.
>
> "Managers at the centre say the move is a zero-tolerance approach to
> intimidating conduct and is backed by Kent police."
>
> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals. They're seen
> everywhere and on all ages and sexes. Whether it's an attractive
> style is debatable, but it certainly doesn't feel intimidating to me.
> I don't really have an opinion about hooded tops. Maybe people feel
> that they obscure faces, but I never really noticed that was the case.
>
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>
> Karen
The real reason is the same as the reason that caps and hoods are not
allowed in a lot of pubs and clubs. Its that the cctv cameras cannot
see their faces.
Steve
May 11th 2005, 8:01 pm
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
On Thu, 12 May 2005 07:28:02 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-05-12 07:11:19 +0200, Karen <[email protected]> said:
>>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? (snip)...
>> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
>> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>> Karen
>Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
>worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
>intimidating.
So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK? It seems
to me as if it's the opposite here in the U.S. (Not that I'm
acquainted with a lot of thugs.) To me, a baseball cap says "Joe
Average".
Karen
wrote:
>On 2005-05-12 07:11:19 +0200, Karen <[email protected]> said:
>>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? (snip)...
>> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
>> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>> Karen
>Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
>worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
>intimidating.
So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK? It seems
to me as if it's the opposite here in the U.S. (Not that I'm
acquainted with a lot of thugs.) To me, a baseball cap says "Joe
Average".
Karen
May 11th 2005, 8:36 pm
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
"Karen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
Others have touched on the CCTV issue.
There is a perception in Britain that the baseball cap and the hooded top
are worn by many antisocially inclined boys and young men. There is a class
thing here, and, I suspect, in the case of the hooded tops, also a race
thing, in that these do tend to be popular with young black men. They are
also worn by many totally innocuous students, and even some lecturers, at
the university where I work.
On the class thing, it may be interesting to note that Burberry have stopped
making their baseball cap in their distinctive check pattern. It was being
worn by football hooligans and damaging the brand image!
Alan Harrison
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
Others have touched on the CCTV issue.
There is a perception in Britain that the baseball cap and the hooded top
are worn by many antisocially inclined boys and young men. There is a class
thing here, and, I suspect, in the case of the hooded tops, also a race
thing, in that these do tend to be popular with young black men. They are
also worn by many totally innocuous students, and even some lecturers, at
the university where I work.
On the class thing, it may be interesting to note that Burberry have stopped
making their baseball cap in their distinctive check pattern. It was being
worn by football hooligans and damaging the brand image!
Alan Harrison
May 11th 2005, 8:43 pm
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Karen <[email protected]> writes:
> So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
> and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK?
Teenage thugs mainly. Yes. Also many other teenagers and children
who want to look like thugs.
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-- Chris.
> So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
> and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK?
Teenage thugs mainly. Yes. Also many other teenagers and children
who want to look like thugs.
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-- Chris.
May 11th 2005, 9:38 pm
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 03:01:38 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 May 2005 07:28:02 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On 2005-05-12 07:11:19 +0200, Karen <[email protected]> said:
>>>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? (snip)...
>>> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
>>> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>>> Karen
>>Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
>>worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
>>intimidating.
>So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
>and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK? It seems
>to me as if it's the opposite here in the U.S. (Not that I'm
>acquainted with a lot of thugs.) To me, a baseball cap says "Joe
>Average".
It CAN mean Joe Average in the UK as well, but the baseball cap and
hood are the preferred clothing of a group of "yoof" (youth) who have
been classified as Chavs.
For further information see:
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
The picture you'll see if you open the link says it all, really. A
bunch of them recently raided the road I live in, smashing the glass
in a busshelter and shattering the back windows of several parked
cars.
Keith, Bristol, UK
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>On Thu, 12 May 2005 07:28:02 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On 2005-05-12 07:11:19 +0200, Karen <[email protected]> said:
>>>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? (snip)...
>>> So, I was just wondering if the perceptions are really that different
>>> on your side of the Atlantic. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>>> Karen
>>Obviously baseball caps per se aren't intimidating, but they tend to be
>>worn by a certain sort of yobbo who is certainly unpleasant and may be
>>intimidating.
>So maybe that's the question I should have asked. Are baseball caps
>and hooded tops the headwear of choice for thugs in the UK? It seems
>to me as if it's the opposite here in the U.S. (Not that I'm
>acquainted with a lot of thugs.) To me, a baseball cap says "Joe
>Average".
It CAN mean Joe Average in the UK as well, but the baseball cap and
hood are the preferred clothing of a group of "yoof" (youth) who have
been classified as Chavs.
For further information see:
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
The picture you'll see if you open the link says it all, really. A
bunch of them recently raided the road I live in, smashing the glass
in a busshelter and shattering the back windows of several parked
cars.
Keith, Bristol, UK
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May 11th 2005, 9:47 pm
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
most part.
> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
I think you've hit on it.
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>Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
most part.
> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
I think you've hit on it.
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
May 11th 2005, 10:48 pm
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> From: B Vaughan<[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:47:07 +0200
> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
>
> It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
>
> In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
> most part.
>
>> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>
> I think you've hit on it.
Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Donna Evleth
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> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
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> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:47:07 +0200
> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
>
> It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
>
> In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
> most part.
>
>> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>
> I think you've hit on it.
Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Donna Evleth
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
May 12th 2005, 1:04 am
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Donna:
> Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and
thuggy
> youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards,
so the
> cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with
the
> bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Strange thing - the uniform of thuggy youths.I've noticed when being
obliged to share the RER with yobs heading off to their wretched hovels
in the suburbs that a lot of them wear what can best be described as
"BabyGro" - baggy outfits in soft fluffy pastel-coloured material. If
my mother had forced me to wear such an item at any age greater than
about 7 months I'd have left home, but Paris's "Boys From The Hood"
have adopted them as a uniform of "tough-ness".
Weird!
> Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and
thuggy
> youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards,
so the
> cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with
the
> bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Strange thing - the uniform of thuggy youths.I've noticed when being
obliged to share the RER with yobs heading off to their wretched hovels
in the suburbs that a lot of them wear what can best be described as
"BabyGro" - baggy outfits in soft fluffy pastel-coloured material. If
my mother had forced me to wear such an item at any age greater than
about 7 months I'd have left home, but Paris's "Boys From The Hood"
have adopted them as a uniform of "tough-ness".
Weird!
May 12th 2005, 3:06 am
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:48:59 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> From: B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:47:07 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>>
>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>>> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>>> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
>>
>> It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
>>
>> In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
>> most part.
>>
>>> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>>
>> I think you've hit on it.
>Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
>youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
>cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
>bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Around here, any kid who wears a baseball cap usually wears it
backwards. The elderly farmers wear them turned to the front. There
really are no thuggy youths anywhere near where I live; maybe it's a
problem in some other parts of Italy.
--
Barbara Vaughan
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I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
wrote:
>> From: B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:47:07 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>>
>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Do people in the UK feel intimidated by baseball caps and hoods? To
>>> me, as an American, baseball caps seem to be worn more by athletic,
>>> wholesome types and not thuggish types of individuals.
>>
>> It could be that in Kent, they're associated with gangs.
>>
>> In Italy, baseball caps are associated with elderly farmers, for the
>> most part.
>>
>>> .. Or maybe this is a fad among people who
>>> really do try to be intimidating in the U.K.
>>
>> I think you've hit on it.
>Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
>youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
>cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
>bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
Around here, any kid who wears a baseball cap usually wears it
backwards. The elderly farmers wear them turned to the front. There
really are no thuggy youths anywhere near where I live; maybe it's a
problem in some other parts of Italy.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
May 12th 2005, 3:33 am
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> From: [email protected]
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> Date: 12 May 2005 06:04:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>
> Donna:
>> Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and
> thuggy
>> youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards,
> so the
>> cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with
> the
>> bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
>
> Strange thing - the uniform of thuggy youths.I've noticed when being
> obliged to share the RER with yobs heading off to their wretched hovels
> in the suburbs that a lot of them wear what can best be described as
> "BabyGro" - baggy outfits in soft fluffy pastel-coloured material. If
> my mother had forced me to wear such an item at any age greater than
> about 7 months I'd have left home, but Paris's "Boys From The Hood"
> have adopted them as a uniform of "tough-ness".
>
> Weird!
`
A well-informed source on these matters tells me that the French thuggy
youths who wear these outfits are trying to copy what they think is the
fashion among American thuggy youths.
Donna Evleth
>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: 12 May 2005 06:04:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
>
> Donna:
>> Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and
> thuggy
>> youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards,
> so the
>> cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with
> the
>> bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
>
> Strange thing - the uniform of thuggy youths.I've noticed when being
> obliged to share the RER with yobs heading off to their wretched hovels
> in the suburbs that a lot of them wear what can best be described as
> "BabyGro" - baggy outfits in soft fluffy pastel-coloured material. If
> my mother had forced me to wear such an item at any age greater than
> about 7 months I'd have left home, but Paris's "Boys From The Hood"
> have adopted them as a uniform of "tough-ness".
>
> Weird!
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A well-informed source on these matters tells me that the French thuggy
youths who wear these outfits are trying to copy what they think is the
fashion among American thuggy youths.
Donna Evleth
>
May 12th 2005, 5:21 am
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
In article <[email protected]>,
B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> >Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
> >youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
> >cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
> >bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
>
> Around here, any kid who wears a baseball cap usually wears it
> backwards. The elderly farmers wear them turned to the front. There
> really are no thuggy youths anywhere near where I live; maybe it's a
> problem in some other parts of Italy.
That's the hip hop culture. Actually a lot of "gansta" rappers wear
with the bills askew towards one side. Kind of diagonal to the face.
B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> >Here in France there is also an association between baseball caps and thuggy
> >youths. However, the thuggy youths always wear the caps backwards, so the
> >cap only has a negative image when worn in that way. When worn with the
> >bill in front, they tend to be worn by non-threatening, normal kids.
>
> Around here, any kid who wears a baseball cap usually wears it
> backwards. The elderly farmers wear them turned to the front. There
> really are no thuggy youths anywhere near where I live; maybe it's a
> problem in some other parts of Italy.
That's the hip hop culture. Actually a lot of "gansta" rappers wear
with the bills askew towards one side. Kind of diagonal to the face.
May 12th 2005, 7:10 am
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Re: Bluewater mall bans shoppers' baseball caps
On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:11:19 -0500, Karen <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
>interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
>wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
>to stop anti-social behavior.
The reasoning being that instead of changing their clothes, they will
change their behaviour instead.
I would have thought Britain would have learned after the football
hooligans changed their clothes that this strategy is not all that
effective.
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>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4537459.stm
>I noticed this article on the BBC News Website and it is very
>interesting to me. The Bluewater Mall in Kent is banning shoppers who
>wear hooded sweatshirts, and baseball caps and who swear in an effort
>to stop anti-social behavior.
The reasoning being that instead of changing their clothes, they will
change their behaviour instead.
I would have thought Britain would have learned after the football
hooligans changed their clothes that this strategy is not all that
effective.
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