On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:15:54 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "glenn P"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Hear, hear. Not that I have, or want one but a US passport is the last thing
... I want in my bag if travelling outside the first world.
...
... You people assuming that's what she's after are a bit full of yourself...

Yeah, just a tad... :ppp


... "Brandy Alexandre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > nicandal <[email protected]> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
... >
... >>
... >> Terry Lomax wrote:
... >>> > The captain diverted the plane to Halifax in Nova Scotia,
... >>> > Canada,
... >>>
... >>> Good, give the Limey baby Canadian citizenship instead of
... >>> American. Am sick of all the mothers from Russia, Europe, and
... >>> India visiting America to give birth to give their kids American
... >>> citizenship.
... >>
... >> Really? Got a cite for the number of British mothers flying to US
... >> to get their kids US citizenship, Terry?
... >>
... >>
... >
... > Paranoid little Terry can see a conspiracy in a toad fart. Somehow I
... > doubt any parent from UK would think US citizen would be a greater
... > advantage to their child. Indeed, it would not.
... >
... > --
... > Brandy Alexandre
... >
... > -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
...

Magda wrote:

    > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:40:30 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
    >
    > ... Magda wrote:
    > ...
    > ... > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:20:14 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, nobody <[email protected]>
    > ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
    > ... >
    > ... > ... Kent_AOL wrote:
    > ... > ... > A pregnancy WILL result in labor and WILL require more medical
    > ... > ... > attention than a flight attendent can give.
    > ... > ...
    > ... > ... Oh, come on, I've seen baby births on US sitcom television, and all they
    > ... > ... need to do is to boil some water (for some reason which is never
    > ... > ... mentioned)
    > ... >
    > ... > Apparently it's to sterilise rags. Why would they get anywhere near the baby with boiling
    > ... > hot rags is yet another mystery.
    > ...
    > ... Actually, I think telling him to boil water was a ploy to
    > ... keep the dithering husband out of the way while the women
    > ... got on with the business at hand! (Came in handy for a nice
    > ... cuppa when the labour was over, too.)
    >
    > Not "him" - anyone in the house, of any gender! The first thing is always "boil water". If
    > it's for a bath, it does not have to be scalding...

However, I think the convention is more Hollywood than real
life. ;-)
    >

    >VainGlorious wrote:
    > If she needed
    >> to fly to Boston for medical necessity, a change of residence or as an
    >> employment requirement, I could understand. But I'll bet you dollars
    >> to denarius that she just "wanted to go on a trip". I'm sure she felt
    >> that she was a "liberated, free-spirited person" who "enjoys acting
    >> spontaneously" and decided to hop aboard and ruin everyone else's
    >> flight.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:35:22 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:>
tions, there's not much spontaneity involved, these
    >days. You've obviously never been pregnant, either, if you
    >think flying (mostly "cattle class" nowadays) in the
    >advanced stages of pregnancy is a venture one embarks upon
    >lightly!

Perhaps she was relocating. My husband and I had to move to another
state for a job change 7 weeks before my due date - no choice in the
matter. My son was born 6 weeks early. Fortunately, our move was by
car, not plane, but this woman's trip was more likely necessary than
pleasure.

Show me a woman 7 months preggers who thinks she is "liberated,
free-spirited" and/or thinks she can act "spontaneously."

Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:20:14 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, nobody <[email protected]>
    >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
    > ... Kent_AOL wrote:
    > ... > A pregnancy WILL result in labor and WILL require more medical
    > ... > attention than a flight attendent can give.
    > ...
    > ... Oh, come on, I've seen baby births on US sitcom television, and all they
    > ... need to do is to boil some water (for some reason which is never
    > ... mentioned)
    >Apparently it's to sterilise rags. Why would they get anywhere near the baby with boiling
    >hot rags is yet another mystery.
Don't be silly, Magda. It's not to sterilise rags. It's to cook the
baby.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED
My travel writing: http://www.iol.ie/~draoi/

Carole Allen wrote:

    > Show me a woman 7 months preggers who thinks she is "liberated,
    > free-spirited" and/or thinks she can act "spontaneously."

Yeah, I had a road trip when I was about 5.5 months pregnant, and my
feet and ankles swelled up, and my back hurt like crazy. And I wasn't
even that far along! I couldn't imagine flying in the third trimester
- stuffy enclosed spaces, small seats, and no legroom to raise my feet
up to prevent them from puffing up again? No way would I have done it
lightly or frivolously.

What many CF probably don't realize, is that the farther along a
pregnant woman is, the more her instinct is to stay close to home (It's
called the nesting instinct). But... I suppose it's easier to think
the worst of people.

Cathy Weeks

In article <[email protected]. com>, Cathy Weeks
says...
    >Carole Allen wrote:
    >> Show me a woman 7 months preggers who thinks she is "liberated,
    >> free-spirited" and/or thinks she can act "spontaneously."
    >Yeah, I had a road trip when I was about 5.5 months pregnant, and my
    >feet and ankles swelled up, and my back hurt like crazy. And I wasn't
    >even that far along! I couldn't imagine flying in the third trimester
    >- stuffy enclosed spaces, small seats, and no legroom to raise my feet
    >up to prevent them from puffing up again? No way would I have done it
    >lightly or frivolously.
    >What many CF probably don't realize, is that the farther along a
    >pregnant woman is, the more her instinct is to stay close to home (It's
    >called the nesting instinct). But... I suppose it's easier to think
    >the worst of people.

The silly thing about this (well, *one* of the silly things) is that, if
pregnant women about to deliver were flying everywhere messing up people's
carefully-laid vacation or ever-so-important business flying plans, this would
not have made the news! Man bites dog and all that.

This is a *rare* event. If *anyone* were to avoid flying for the sake of a
*rare* event - no one would fly.

Would that the only things that messed up any of my plans were only things that
made the news! :-D

Banty

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote

    > (And how did her giving birth unexpectedly "ruin everyone else's flight"?)

The flight was diverted, inconveniencing everyone else who had places to be.

Not to mention that the screams and goo of a childbirth are not exactly what
anyone wants to listen to/see--would you?

Kent wrote:
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote
    > > (And how did her giving birth unexpectedly "ruin everyone else's flight"?)
    > The flight was diverted, inconveniencing everyone else who had places to be.
    > Not to mention that the screams and goo of a childbirth are not exactly what
    > anyone wants to listen to/see--would you?

I'd choose goo over sitting next to a "Jim Wilson" on a cross-country
flight.

Then again, the airline did give me free drinks -- I guess it's the
hidden bonus of the corpse seatmate.

Caledonia

On 25 Sep 2006 22:58:50 GMT, Brandy Alexandre
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >Paranoid little Terry can see a conspiracy in a toad fart. Somehow I
    >doubt any parent from UK would think US citizen would be a greater
    >advantage to their child. Indeed, it would not.

Regardless of that, Baby have right to citizenship in a country where
aircraft is registred. This is international law!
If you are born for example in Zagreb, Croatia onboard canadian
aircraft, baby will be canadian! Aircrafts are extended teritory of
country of registration!

Ontopis baby will be British, because it was BA flight!

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    >
    >
    > VainGlorious wrote:
    >
    >
    >> That's the crux of it, but you seem disinterested in discovering this
    >> woman's motivation for flying when 7.5 months pregnant.
    >
    >
    > Do you really think it's anyone's business but her own? (Certainly not
    > YOURS, since you were not even on the flight in question.)
    >

I think it might be the business of the people that were delayed.

Padraig Breathnach wrote:
    > Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:20:14 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, nobody <[email protected]>
    >>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
    >>... Kent_AOL wrote:
    >>... > A pregnancy WILL result in labor and WILL require more medical
    >>... > attention than a flight attendent can give.
    >>...
    >>... Oh, come on, I've seen baby births on US sitcom television, and all they
    >>... need to do is to boil some water (for some reason which is never
    >>... mentioned)
    >>Apparently it's to sterilise rags. Why would they get anywhere near the baby with boiling
    >>hot rags is yet another mystery.
    >
    > Don't be silly, Magda. It's not to sterilise rags. It's to cook the
    > baby.
    >

Right.... What do you see on:

a jar of strawberry jam ---------- pictures strawberries
a jar of peanut butter ---------- pictures peanuts
a jar of peaches ---------- pictures peaches

So, if you see a jar with a picture of a baby on it, what's inside??

What's an oak table made from?
What's a coffee table made from?

Antun Paulin wrote:
    > On 25 Sep 2006 22:58:50 GMT, Brandy Alexandre
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>Paranoid little Terry can see a conspiracy in a toad fart. Somehow I
    >>doubt any parent from UK would think US citizen would be a greater
    >>advantage to their child. Indeed, it would not.
    >
    >
    > Regardless of that, Baby have right to citizenship in a country where
    > aircraft is registred. This is international law!


Can you provide a cite this international law?

Kent wrote:
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    >
    >>(And how did her giving birth unexpectedly "ruin everyone else's flight"?)
    >
    >
    > The flight was diverted, inconveniencing everyone else who had places to be.
    >
    > Not to mention that the screams and goo of a childbirth are not exactly what
    > anyone wants to listen to/see--would you?

I seriously doubt whether the human birth aloft took place
the equivalent of center stage! For reasons of hygiene
alone, the woman would have been kept as isolated from the
rest of the passengers as possible.

Actually, in reply to your question, I might have found it
interesting - I've never observed a human birth, although
I've midwifed a feline or two. But then, I'm not
particularly squeamish - I remember eating dinner while
watching a TV film of zoo vets performing a caesarian on a
mother tiger. (Only later did I realize that might not be
everyone's choice for dinnertime entertainment.) :-)

Antun Paulin wrote:

    > On 25 Sep 2006 22:58:50 GMT, Brandy Alexandre
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>Paranoid little Terry can see a conspiracy in a toad fart. Somehow I
    >>doubt any parent from UK would think US citizen would be a greater
    >>advantage to their child. Indeed, it would not.
    >
    >
    > Regardless of that, Baby have right to citizenship in a country where
    > aircraft is registred. This is international law!
    > If you are born for example in Zagreb, Croatia onboard canadian
    > aircraft, baby will be canadian! Aircrafts are extended teritory of
    > country of registration!

Several posters who actually KNOW about such things have
already refuted that statement - it depends upon several
factors, the citizenship of the parent being one.

    > Yeah, I had a road trip when I was about 5.5 months pregnant, and my
    > feet and ankles swelled up, and my back hurt like crazy. And I wasn't
    > even that far along! I couldn't imagine flying in the third trimester
    > - stuffy enclosed spaces, small seats, and no legroom to raise my feet
    > up to prevent them from puffing up again? No way would I have done it
    > lightly or frivolously.

I also made a big trip at 32 weeks pregnant, we were living in Korea and I
wanted to have the baby in England (we are British), we travelled business
class and it wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't have wanted to do it any later.

Cheers

Anne