The Automobile Has To Go
Feb 23rd 2003 | 7:38 pm
#1
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The Automobile Has To Go
The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
communities connected by a transit network.
A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
United States:
1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
Mckinley National Park
3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
4. Arkansas-no places I know of
5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
7. Connecticut: Hartford
8. Delaware-Wilmington
9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
11. Hawaii-Honolulu
12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
14. Indiana-no place I know of
15. Iowa-Des Moines
16. Kansas-most large cities
17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
18. Louisiana-New Orleans
19. Maine-all cities
20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
21. Massachussets-Boston
22. Michigan-Detroit
23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
24. Mississippi-no place I know of
25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
27. New Hampshire-all cities
28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
31. North Carolina-Charlotte
32. North Dakota-all cities
33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
36. Rhode Island-unknowm
37. South Dakota-unknown
38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
39. Texas-all cities
40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
Jordan, Utah
41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
42. Virginia-all cities
43. Washington State-Seattle
44. Wisconsin-Madison
45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
Australia
has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
communities connected by a transit network.
A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
United States:
1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
Mckinley National Park
3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
4. Arkansas-no places I know of
5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
7. Connecticut: Hartford
8. Delaware-Wilmington
9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
11. Hawaii-Honolulu
12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
14. Indiana-no place I know of
15. Iowa-Des Moines
16. Kansas-most large cities
17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
18. Louisiana-New Orleans
19. Maine-all cities
20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
21. Massachussets-Boston
22. Michigan-Detroit
23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
24. Mississippi-no place I know of
25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
27. New Hampshire-all cities
28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
31. North Carolina-Charlotte
32. North Dakota-all cities
33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
36. Rhode Island-unknowm
37. South Dakota-unknown
38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
39. Texas-all cities
40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
Jordan, Utah
41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
42. Virginia-all cities
43. Washington State-Seattle
44. Wisconsin-Madison
45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
Australia
Feb 23rd 2003 | 11:08 pm
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
Steve Austin wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
> United States:
>
>
> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>
This is very far from true, unfortunately. Downtown Crossing may be car
free but it consists, really, of an intersection of two streets.
Traffic is said to be banned from this area but I've found no support
for that claim. On the other hand, Boston is a city in which you can
live quite easily, better in fact, without a car. I lived there for 10
years and ditched my car the second year after realizing that it was
just an albatross.
ellie
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>
> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>
> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>
> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>
> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>
> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>
> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>
> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>
> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>
> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>
> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>
> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>
> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>
> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>
> 39. Texas-all cities
>
> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
> Jordan, Utah
> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>
> 42. Virginia-all cities
>
> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>
> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>
> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>
> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
> United States:
>
>
> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>
This is very far from true, unfortunately. Downtown Crossing may be car
free but it consists, really, of an intersection of two streets.
Traffic is said to be banned from this area but I've found no support
for that claim. On the other hand, Boston is a city in which you can
live quite easily, better in fact, without a car. I lived there for 10
years and ditched my car the second year after realizing that it was
just an albatross.
ellie
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>
> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>
> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>
> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>
> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>
> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>
> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>
> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>
> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>
> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>
> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>
> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>
> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>
> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>
> 39. Texas-all cities
>
> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
> Jordan, Utah
> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>
> 42. Virginia-all cities
>
> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>
> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>
> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>
> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Feb 23rd 2003 | 11:23 pm
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:38:50 -0700, "Steve Austin"
wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
>Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
>communities connected by a transit network.
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
> United States:
> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
> 42. Virginia-all cities
I don't know about the others, but these cities are NOT car-free.
wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
>Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
>communities connected by a transit network.
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
> United States:
> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
> 42. Virginia-all cities
I don't know about the others, but these cities are NOT car-free.
Feb 24th 2003 | 2:11 am
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
"Steve Austin" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
> United States:
> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
uses it to get downtown.
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
news:[email protected]...
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
> United States:
> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
uses it to get downtown.
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
Feb 24th 2003 | 2:32 am
#5
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Re: The Automobile Isn't Going To Go
Steve Austin wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
snip
given the idiocy of the locations you list that I am familiar with I
must conclude that you are totally out of your mind. In particular my
home is on your list and I can hear the cars go by 20 feet from my computer.
Frank Matthews
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
snip
given the idiocy of the locations you list that I am familiar with I
must conclude that you are totally out of your mind. In particular my
home is on your list and I can hear the cars go by 20 feet from my computer.
Frank Matthews
Feb 24th 2003 | 3:32 am
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
Hi,
almost 100% untrue for the US.
these claims of "all cities" in a state being "car free" is a hallucination!
HOUSTON car free?!
Steve Austin wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
> United States:
>
> 1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
>
> 2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
> Mckinley National Park
> 3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
>
> 4. Arkansas-no places I know of
>
> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>
> 6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
>
> 7. Connecticut: Hartford
>
> 8. Delaware-Wilmington
>
> 9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
> 10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
>
> 11. Hawaii-Honolulu
>
> 12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
>
> 13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
>
> 14. Indiana-no place I know of
>
> 15. Iowa-Des Moines
>
> 16. Kansas-most large cities
>
> 17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
>
> 18. Louisiana-New Orleans
>
> 19. Maine-all cities
>
> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
>
> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>
> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>
> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>
> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>
> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>
> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>
> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>
> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>
> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>
> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>
> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>
> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>
> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>
> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>
> 39. Texas-all cities
>
> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
> Jordan, Utah
> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>
> 42. Virginia-all cities
>
> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>
> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>
> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>
> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966
almost 100% untrue for the US.
these claims of "all cities" in a state being "car free" is a hallucination!
HOUSTON car free?!
Steve Austin wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
> communities connected by a transit network.
>
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>
> United States:
>
> 1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
>
> 2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
> Mckinley National Park
> 3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
>
> 4. Arkansas-no places I know of
>
> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>
> 6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
>
> 7. Connecticut: Hartford
>
> 8. Delaware-Wilmington
>
> 9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
> 10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
>
> 11. Hawaii-Honolulu
>
> 12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
>
> 13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
>
> 14. Indiana-no place I know of
>
> 15. Iowa-Des Moines
>
> 16. Kansas-most large cities
>
> 17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
>
> 18. Louisiana-New Orleans
>
> 19. Maine-all cities
>
> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
>
> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>
> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>
> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>
> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>
> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>
> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>
> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>
> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>
> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>
> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>
> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>
> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>
> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>
> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>
> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>
> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>
> 39. Texas-all cities
>
> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State University,
> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in South
> Jordan, Utah
> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>
> 42. Virginia-all cities
>
> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>
> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>
> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>
> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>
> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966
Feb 24th 2003 | 3:44 am
#7
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:38:50 -0700, "Steve Austin"
wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>transit.
Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
an option.
---------------------------
A truly cool book:
The World Is Already Yours
Conscious living in the real world
www.alreadyyours.com (sample chapter, etc...)
wrote:
> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>transit.
Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
an option.
---------------------------
A truly cool book:
The World Is Already Yours
Conscious living in the real world
www.alreadyyours.com (sample chapter, etc...)
Feb 24th 2003 | 5:20 am
#8
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
I figured it out for Houston. He just got confused over the
construction mess downtown.
Frank Matthews
Jean Moulin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> almost 100% untrue for the US.
>
> these claims of "all cities" in a state being "car free" is a
> hallucination!
>
> HOUSTON car free?!
>
> Steve Austin wrote:
>
>> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to
>> get
>> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
>> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
>> communities connected by a transit network.
>> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and
>> hundreds of
>> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>> United States:
>> 1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
>> 2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
>> Mckinley National Park
>> 3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
>> 4. Arkansas-no places I know of
>> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego,
>> Sacramento,
>> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>> 6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
>> 7. Connecticut: Hartford
>> 8. Delaware-Wilmington
>> 9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
>> 10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
>> 11. Hawaii-Honolulu
>> 12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
>> 13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
>> 14. Indiana-no place I know of
>> 15. Iowa-Des Moines
>> 16. Kansas-most large cities
>> 17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
>> 18. Louisiana-New Orleans
>> 19. Maine-all cities
>> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
>> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
>> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>> 39. Texas-all cities
>> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State
>> University,
>> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in
>> South
>> Jordan, Utah
>> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>> 42. Virginia-all cities
>> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>> Australia
>
>
construction mess downtown.
Frank Matthews
Jean Moulin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> almost 100% untrue for the US.
>
> these claims of "all cities" in a state being "car free" is a
> hallucination!
>
> HOUSTON car free?!
>
> Steve Austin wrote:
>
>> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>> has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to
>> get
>> rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>> transit. We should turn our roads, including freeways, over to busses.
>> Suburbs should be converted to ecologically-friendly, self-sustaining
>> communities connected by a transit network.
>> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and
>> hundreds of
>> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>> United States:
>> 1. Alabama: Efaula-town in eastern Alabama
>> 2. Alaska: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Seward, Juneau, Ketchikan, Mount
>> Mckinley National Park
>> 3. Arizona: Phoenix, Tuscon, Grand Canyon National Park
>> 4. Arkansas-no places I know of
>> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego,
>> Sacramento,
>> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>> 6. Colorado: Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs
>> 7. Connecticut: Hartford
>> 8. Delaware-Wilmington
>> 9. Florida-Miami, Key West, Tampa, Jacksonvile, Tallahassee
>> 10. Georgia-Atlanta Metro
>> 11. Hawaii-Honolulu
>> 12. Idaho-Pocatello, Boise, Idaho Falls
>> 13. Illinois-Chicago, Champaigne
>> 14. Indiana-no place I know of
>> 15. Iowa-Des Moines
>> 16. Kansas-most large cities
>> 17. Kentucky-Louisville, Frankfort
>> 18. Louisiana-New Orleans
>> 19. Maine-all cities
>> 20. Maryland-Baltimore, Annapolis
>> 21. Massachussets-Boston
>> 22. Michigan-Detroit
>> 23. Minnesota-Minneapolis/St. Paul
>> 24. Mississippi-no place I know of
>> 25. Montana-Glacier National Park, Helena
>> 26. Nebraska-no places I know of; Nevada-Reno and Las Vegas
>> 27. New Hampshire-all cities
>> 28. New Jersey-Newark, Trenton, Monmouth, Princeton
>> 29. New Mexico-Santa Fe, Albequerque
>> 30. New York-Buffalo, New York City, Albany, Rochester
>> 31. North Carolina-Charlotte
>> 32. North Dakota-all cities
>> 33. Ohio-no places I no of; Oklahoma-don't know
>> 34. Oregon-Portland, Eugene, Medford
>> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
>> 36. Rhode Island-unknowm
>> 37. South Dakota-unknown
>> 38. Tennessee-Memphis, Nashville
>> 39. Texas-all cities
>> 40. Utah-Zion National Park, University of Utah, Utah State
>> University,
>> Salt Lake City, Utah Valley State College, new Sunrise development in
>> South
>> Jordan, Utah
>> 41. Vermont-all cities, University of Vermont campus
>> 42. Virginia-all cities
>> 43. Washington State-Seattle
>> 44. Wisconsin-Madison
>> 45. Wyoming-Jackson Hole, Yellowstone
>> Bermuda: foreigners aren't allowed to drive cars
>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>> Australia
>
>
Feb 24th 2003 | 8:34 am
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
grey wrote:
> Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
> case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
> now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
> about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
> an option.
My parents live in a small town about 20km from the center of a major city
and public transportation works great for everyone there. It's just a matter
of organizing the place properly.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
> Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
> case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
> now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
> about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
> an option.
My parents live in a small town about 20km from the center of a major city
and public transportation works great for everyone there. It's just a matter
of organizing the place properly.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Feb 24th 2003 | 9:09 am
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:44:39 -0500, grey wrote:
>> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>>transit.
>Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
>case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
>now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
>about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
>an option.
I grew up 25km out of Sydney and there was a half hourly bus service
through my suburb feeding into a rail station at Sutherland, with a
half hourly express and half hourly local train service into Sydney,
plus trains to the beach at Cronulla half hourly and to the south
coast hourly.. Despite the poor frequencies, all were heavily used..
Why? Sydney has heavy traffic and excessively expensive parking in
all major centres, mostly due to market forces, but partially due to a
new tax. Downtown parking ranges from AUD15 to AUD80 a day, other
major centres AUD10 to AUD30 a day.
That tax on parking spaces in Sydney, North Sydney, Chatswood and
Parramatta applies whether the spot is occupied or not, and the cash
is earmarked to assist the funding of public transport interchanges..
A lot of office buildings fenced off a significant proportion of their
parking lots soon after that to avoid paying the tax, and all the
major parking garages just bumped up their fees even further to
compensate..
And for the record, the suburb that I grew up in (Bangor) is very
dispersed and as far as local travel is concerned, you can get around
on a bike OK, but it's effectively car dependant...
PC
>> The automobile has to go. This unintelligent form of transportation
>>has ruined the environment, people's lives, and our cities. We need to get
>>rid of this metal abomination and switch to walking, bicycling, and mass
>>transit.
>Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
>case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
>now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
>about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
>an option.
I grew up 25km out of Sydney and there was a half hourly bus service
through my suburb feeding into a rail station at Sutherland, with a
half hourly express and half hourly local train service into Sydney,
plus trains to the beach at Cronulla half hourly and to the south
coast hourly.. Despite the poor frequencies, all were heavily used..
Why? Sydney has heavy traffic and excessively expensive parking in
all major centres, mostly due to market forces, but partially due to a
new tax. Downtown parking ranges from AUD15 to AUD80 a day, other
major centres AUD10 to AUD30 a day.
That tax on parking spaces in Sydney, North Sydney, Chatswood and
Parramatta applies whether the spot is occupied or not, and the cash
is earmarked to assist the funding of public transport interchanges..
A lot of office buildings fenced off a significant proportion of their
parking lots soon after that to avoid paying the tax, and all the
major parking garages just bumped up their fees even further to
compensate..
And for the record, the suburb that I grew up in (Bangor) is very
dispersed and as far as local travel is concerned, you can get around
on a bike OK, but it's effectively car dependant...
PC
Feb 24th 2003 | 9:19 am
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Re: Re: The Automobile Has To Go
>"Steve Austin" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>> United States:
>> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
>> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
>transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
>uses it to get downtown.
>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>> Australia
>Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
Most of the larger cities in Europe now have at least a car-free shopping road, but many have
a whole district without access by car: Examples are Wienna in Austria, Budapest in Hungary,
Freiburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin and just abou alle other towns in
Germany, Lyons, Paris and Strassbourg in France, Barcelona or Madrid in Spain Basel,
Geneva, Berne and all Swiss cities, Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and many others in
Britain and all Scandinavian cities, of course. A large number of towns now also has residential
areas without direct (or underground) car access.
RH
>news:[email protected]...
>> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>> United States:
>> 5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
>> Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
>transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
>uses it to get downtown.
>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>> Australia
>Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
Most of the larger cities in Europe now have at least a car-free shopping road, but many have
a whole district without access by car: Examples are Wienna in Austria, Budapest in Hungary,
Freiburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin and just abou alle other towns in
Germany, Lyons, Paris and Strassbourg in France, Barcelona or Madrid in Spain Basel,
Geneva, Berne and all Swiss cities, Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and many others in
Britain and all Scandinavian cities, of course. A large number of towns now also has residential
areas without direct (or underground) car access.
RH
Feb 24th 2003 | 9:34 am
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Re: Re: The Automobile Has To Go
>grey wrote:
>> Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
>> case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
>> now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
>> about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
>> an option.
>My parents live in a small town about 20km from the center of a major city
>and public transportation works great for everyone there. It's just a matter
>of organizing the place properly.
>miguel
>--
>Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
That's the way we did it, before we had cars. We selected our home location based on the
quality of public transportation, shops and other infrastructure that was available.
Now, we first buy the house and then we realize that a car is absolutely needed.
RH
>> Impractical unless you live in a dense urban center, and even in that
>> case, usually impractical because there are so few neighborhood stores
>> now like smaller markets. Living even a few miles out of town--just
>> about any rural situation--and mass trransit is effectively no longer
>> an option.
>My parents live in a small town about 20km from the center of a major city
>and public transportation works great for everyone there. It's just a matter
>of organizing the place properly.
>miguel
>--
>Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
That's the way we did it, before we had cars. We selected our home location based on the
quality of public transportation, shops and other infrastructure that was available.
Now, we first buy the house and then we realize that a car is absolutely needed.
RH
Feb 24th 2003 | 11:49 am
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
On 24-Feb-2003, "Steve Austin" wrote:
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
A haiku for your efforts:
good troll, you have hooked
eleven posts with this crap
this one makes it twelve
-Z
--
Ziad Ezzat
my first name
at my last name
dot com
> A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
> places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
A haiku for your efforts:
good troll, you have hooked
eleven posts with this crap
this one makes it twelve
-Z
--
Ziad Ezzat
my first name
at my last name
dot com
Feb 24th 2003 | 2:20 pm
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
RH wrote:
>>"Steve Austin" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>>>places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>>>United States:
>>>5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
>>>Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>>You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
>>transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
>>uses it to get downtown.
>>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>>>Australia
>>Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
> Most of the larger cities in Europe now have at least a car-free shopping road, but many have
> a whole district without access by car: Examples are Wienna in Austria, Budapest in Hungary,
> Freiburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin and just abou alle other towns in
> Germany, Lyons, Paris and Strassbourg in France, Barcelona or Madrid in Spain Basel,
> Geneva, Berne and all Swiss cities, Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and many others in
> Britain and all Scandinavian cities, of course. A large number of towns now also has residential
> areas without direct (or underground) car access.
> RH
A car free shopping road is easy. As long as you can get to the back of
the property by car & truck it's no problem. A car free shopping zone
would be a problem since there would be no way to get the goods out.
I'll be in Budapest in a couple of months and am looking forward to
seeing the size of whatever district is entirely car free. There is a
whole district you're sure.
Frank Matthews
>>"Steve Austin" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>A lot of cities are on their way to becoming car-free and hundreds of
>>>places are car-free. Here they are with their states:
>>>United States:
>>>5. California: Fresno, Long Beach, downtown LA, San Diego, Sacramento,
>>>Columbia, Yosemite National Park, Stanford University
>>You must be kidding. Los Angeles has one of the worst public
>>transportations systems in the world. Virtually everybody who owns a car
>>uses it to get downtown.
>>> Most cities in Mexico, Central, and South America, Europe, Asia,
>>>Australia
>>Not any of the cities in Europe and Asia that I've ever visited.
> Most of the larger cities in Europe now have at least a car-free shopping road, but many have
> a whole district without access by car: Examples are Wienna in Austria, Budapest in Hungary,
> Freiburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin and just abou alle other towns in
> Germany, Lyons, Paris and Strassbourg in France, Barcelona or Madrid in Spain Basel,
> Geneva, Berne and all Swiss cities, Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and many others in
> Britain and all Scandinavian cities, of course. A large number of towns now also has residential
> areas without direct (or underground) car access.
> RH
A car free shopping road is easy. As long as you can get to the back of
the property by car & truck it's no problem. A car free shopping zone
would be a problem since there would be no way to get the goods out.
I'll be in Budapest in a couple of months and am looking forward to
seeing the size of whatever district is entirely car free. There is a
whole district you're sure.
Frank Matthews
Feb 24th 2003 | 3:11 pm
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Re: The Automobile Has To Go
"Steve Austin" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
How could you forget about Bird-in-Hand, Downtown Lancaster, Hershey,
Intercourse, Lititz, New Holland, Paradise, and Strasburg in Amish country
http://www.amishnews.com/towns.htm
(Yes even they have a web site)
Some of these towns must be car free. They are probably transit free as
well.
Only a wimp would stop at returning to transit usage. Real men go all the
way back to horse and buggy like the Amish.
Brave heroes will take us all the way back to the caves where we once lived
a blissfully natural, perfect life.
news:[email protected]...
> 35. Pennsylvania-Philadelphia
How could you forget about Bird-in-Hand, Downtown Lancaster, Hershey,
Intercourse, Lititz, New Holland, Paradise, and Strasburg in Amish country
http://www.amishnews.com/towns.htm
(Yes even they have a web site)
Some of these towns must be car free. They are probably transit free as
well.
Only a wimp would stop at returning to transit usage. Real men go all the
way back to horse and buggy like the Amish.
Brave heroes will take us all the way back to the caves where we once lived
a blissfully natural, perfect life.
