Following up to Frank F. Matthews

    >I fear that united europe is suffering from responsibility for its
    >parts. I was primarily thinking of Austria & France I will admit.

If you think the EU influences national or local elections to any
extent beyond the adding/subtracting of popularity of pro EU/anti
EU parties, you are way off. Political parties are national.
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Tim C. wrote:
    > On 7 Oct 2005 04:15:53 -0700, AJH wrote:
    > > Your head's stuck in the 80s. You're safer at a footy match or in the
    > > vicinity of the ground today than most other places in England.
    > >
    > > Alan
    > Is that because the matches are safer now, or because the UK is so
    > dangerous?

Matches are safer due to CCTV, heavier policing, better grounds and
better stewarding.

Alan

The Reids wrote:
    > Following up to AJH
    > >Your head's stuck in the 80s. You're safer at a footy match or in the
    > >vicinity of the ground today than most other places in England.
    > I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, any event which needs
    > the fans to be segregated and heavily marshaled and is attended
    > by the sort of unsavoury people who think its funny to taunt
    > London supporters with tube bomb related chants is not going to
    > be the sort of place I find safer than "most places in England".
Ok, most town centres in the evenings

    > But I'm out of date too, I stopped going to football matches many
    > many years ago. My last contact with football fans was a load of
    > yobs stopping a train leaving the station by rocking back and
    > forth in unison,
Were they footy fans? How did you know?

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:17:02 GMT, Frank F. Matthews wrote:

    > The Reid wrote:
    >
    >> Following up to Frank F. Matthews
    >>
    >>>>>They interviewed one activist trying to stop these overt expressions of
    >>>>>racism and he estimated that every game in Spain, Italy and Eastern
    >>>>>Europe had these offensive displays.
    >>>>Every game? I would doubt it. Why is it "astounding" there are
    >>>>racists in Europe? Are you claiming there are no racists in US or
    >>>>anywhere else? Or are the US neo nazis I see on TV misunderstood?
    >>>One significant difference is that in the US as opposed to Europe the
    >>>neo nazis almost never come close to being elected. David Duke is the
    >>>major exception but he is really an exception.
    >>
    >> I don't think neo nazis come close to being elected in Spain or
    >> UK. Eastern Europe I couldn't comment, all sorts of strange
    >> unsavoury people running countries there. Racists have managed a
    >> occasional seat on a local council here, but nothing remotely
    >> close to having any power, same goes for Spain I would think.
    >
    > I fear that united europe is suffering from responsibility for its
    > parts. I was primarily thinking of Austria & France I will admit.

Neo nazis in Austria, you must be joking.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:33:17 +0200, "Tim C." <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:17:02 GMT, Frank F. Matthews wrote:
    >> The Reid wrote:
    >>
    >>> Following up to Frank F. Matthews
    >>>
    >>>>>>They interviewed one activist trying to stop these overt expressions of
    >>>>>>racism and he estimated that every game in Spain, Italy and Eastern
    >>>>>>Europe had these offensive displays.
    >>>>>Every game? I would doubt it. Why is it "astounding" there are
    >>>>>racists in Europe? Are you claiming there are no racists in US or
    >>>>>anywhere else? Or are the US neo nazis I see on TV misunderstood?
    >>>>One significant difference is that in the US as opposed to Europe the
    >>>>neo nazis almost never come close to being elected. David Duke is the
    >>>>major exception but he is really an exception.
    >>>
    >>> I don't think neo nazis come close to being elected in Spain or
    >>> UK. Eastern Europe I couldn't comment, all sorts of strange
    >>> unsavoury people running countries there. Racists have managed a
    >>> occasional seat on a local council here, but nothing remotely
    >>> close to having any power, same goes for Spain I would think.
    >>
    >> I fear that united europe is suffering from responsibility for its
    >> parts. I was primarily thinking of Austria & France I will admit.
    >Neo nazis in Austria, you must be joking.

Just old fashioned ones? :-)
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Following up to AJH

    >> But I'm out of date too, I stopped going to football matches many
    >> many years ago. My last contact with football fans was a load of
    >> yobs stopping a train leaving the station by rocking back and
    >> forth in unison,
    >Were they footy fans? How did you know?

It was obvious, team shirts, police, all the usual stuff, cant
remember which team. Misfortune to get on tube near a finishing
game.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:27:29 +0200, Martin wrote:

    > On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:33:17 +0200, "Tim C." <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:17:02 GMT, Frank F. Matthews wrote:
    >>> The Reid wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Following up to Frank F. Matthews
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>They interviewed one activist trying to stop these overt expressions of
    >>>>>>>racism and he estimated that every game in Spain, Italy and Eastern
    >>>>>>>Europe had these offensive displays.
    >>>>>>Every game? I would doubt it. Why is it "astounding" there are
    >>>>>>racists in Europe? Are you claiming there are no racists in US or
    >>>>>>anywhere else? Or are the US neo nazis I see on TV misunderstood?
    >>>>>One significant difference is that in the US as opposed to Europe the
    >>>>>neo nazis almost never come close to being elected. David Duke is the
    >>>>>major exception but he is really an exception.
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't think neo nazis come close to being elected in Spain or
    >>>> UK. Eastern Europe I couldn't comment, all sorts of strange
    >>>> unsavoury people running countries there. Racists have managed a
    >>>> occasional seat on a local council here, but nothing remotely
    >>>> close to having any power, same goes for Spain I would think.
    >>>
    >>> I fear that united europe is suffering from responsibility for its
    >>> parts. I was primarily thinking of Austria & France I will admit.
    >>Neo nazis in Austria, you must be joking.
    >
    > Just old fashioned ones? :-)

Plenty of those around, especially in the south.
However, they all took a serious bashing in the recent local elections.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:36:24 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to DDT Filled Mormons
    >>>I don't think neo nazis come close to being elected in Spain or
    >>>UK. Eastern Europe I couldn't comment, all sorts of strange
    >>>unsavoury people running countries there.
    >>Is that your nose that I see in the air, Reid?
    >when it comes to the Balkans, probably.

When it comes to the Balkans, I would agree with you.
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