Article about French Waiters
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Re: Article about French Waiters
On 2005-01-26 13:43:37 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> said:
> Cheese is about the only thing we bring back from UK nowadays.
>
> that and ABM flour + Heinz tomato soup and baked beans :-)
Bacon - that's what we crave. "Ontbijtspeck" is a poor alternative.
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> Cheese is about the only thing we bring back from UK nowadays.
>
> that and ABM flour + Heinz tomato soup and baked beans :-)
Bacon - that's what we crave. "Ontbijtspeck" is a poor alternative.
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Re: Article about French Waiters
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:32:41 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:43:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:32:11 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:27 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:48 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts know
>>>>>>better?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a British friend, who always ordered a grand creme with his
>>>>> meal.
>>>>He was probably maladjusted ;-)
>>>
>>> He was the guy, who imported car boots full of Heinz baked beans to
>>> Toulouse and lived on them for three years. Talk about renewable
>>> energy sources ...
>>I was right!
>>There's a guy here that when he goes abroad on a business trip (generally
>>to Italy) always takes enough Austrian food with him to last. Sausages,
>>dwarf bread, a jar of pickled gherkins. He doesn't like foreign food and
>>happily admits to never having eaten any. What a prannet.
>and the Dutch family with a 4 week supply of Dutch bread in their
>camper when they visited UK.
And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
modelmaking and car repairs.
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:43:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:32:11 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:27 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:48 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts know
>>>>>>better?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a British friend, who always ordered a grand creme with his
>>>>> meal.
>>>>He was probably maladjusted ;-)
>>>
>>> He was the guy, who imported car boots full of Heinz baked beans to
>>> Toulouse and lived on them for three years. Talk about renewable
>>> energy sources ...
>>I was right!
>>There's a guy here that when he goes abroad on a business trip (generally
>>to Italy) always takes enough Austrian food with him to last. Sausages,
>>dwarf bread, a jar of pickled gherkins. He doesn't like foreign food and
>>happily admits to never having eaten any. What a prannet.
>and the Dutch family with a 4 week supply of Dutch bread in their
>camper when they visited UK.
And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
modelmaking and car repairs.
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Re: Article about French Waiters
"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
> "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1106726173.122cc1b7e225f540b51f7dac4e44f4e3@t eranews...
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > <snip>...
> > > But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts
> know
> > > better?
> >
> > Coffee *with* a meal? Only with breakfast.
>
> And cafe creme is another breakfast thing, though waiters are well
> acquainted with the eccentricities of foreigners and do tolerate them!
>
> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
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> "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1106726173.122cc1b7e225f540b51f7dac4e44f4e3@t eranews...
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > <snip>...
> > > But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts
> know
> > > better?
> >
> > Coffee *with* a meal? Only with breakfast.
>
> And cafe creme is another breakfast thing, though waiters are well
> acquainted with the eccentricities of foreigners and do tolerate them!
>
> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
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Re: Article about French Waiters
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:49:04 -0800, "Mimi" <[email protected]>
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>"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:1106743474.f906d15a186d3697a341f2438fb288bc@ teranews...
>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:21:39 +0100, szozu wrote:
>>....
>> Peanut butter is available here in most supermarkets, but not SunPat, just
>> "european no-name" copies. That wasn't the case only a few years ago.
>Is SunPat a good brand? We make our peanut butter by grinding the peanuts at
>the store. Probably not a chance of that in Europe.
>Marianne
Try the Zaanse Schans open-air museum at Zaandam near Amsterdam. One
of the windmills there supplies stone-ground peanut butter to
wholefood shops and you can watch the process.
Wholefood shops in the UK often stock organic peanut butter. Never
seen an instore grinder for peanuts,(that's not to say that they don't
exist) but some UK wholefood shops have grinders so you can mill your
own flour..
wrote:
>"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:1106743474.f906d15a186d3697a341f2438fb288bc@ teranews...
>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:21:39 +0100, szozu wrote:
>>....
>> Peanut butter is available here in most supermarkets, but not SunPat, just
>> "european no-name" copies. That wasn't the case only a few years ago.
>Is SunPat a good brand? We make our peanut butter by grinding the peanuts at
>the store. Probably not a chance of that in Europe.
>Marianne
Try the Zaanse Schans open-air museum at Zaandam near Amsterdam. One
of the windmills there supplies stone-ground peanut butter to
wholefood shops and you can watch the process.
Wholefood shops in the UK often stock organic peanut butter. Never
seen an instore grinder for peanuts,(that's not to say that they don't
exist) but some UK wholefood shops have grinders so you can mill your
own flour..
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Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
> modelmaking and car repairs.
Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
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[]
> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
> modelmaking and car repairs.
Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
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Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> Try the Zaanse Schans open-air museum at Zaandam near Amsterdam. One
> of the windmills there supplies stone-ground peanut butter to
> wholefood shops and you can watch the process.
>
> Wholefood shops in the UK often stock organic peanut butter. Never
> seen an instore grinder for peanuts,(that's not to say that they don't
> exist) but some UK wholefood shops have grinders so you can mill your
> own flour..
You can actually use blenders instead. I'm not sure if it would affect
the life of the machine (I haven't don't it much) but it does work.
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[]
> Try the Zaanse Schans open-air museum at Zaandam near Amsterdam. One
> of the windmills there supplies stone-ground peanut butter to
> wholefood shops and you can watch the process.
>
> Wholefood shops in the UK often stock organic peanut butter. Never
> seen an instore grinder for peanuts,(that's not to say that they don't
> exist) but some UK wholefood shops have grinders so you can mill your
> own flour..
You can actually use blenders instead. I'm not sure if it would affect
the life of the machine (I haven't don't it much) but it does work.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
o' th' barn) wrote:
>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
chocolate.
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o' th' barn) wrote:
>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
chocolate.
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:32:56 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
disappointed.
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
disappointed.
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:47 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>o' th' barn) wrote:
>>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
>meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
>chocolate.
Sounds good to me - are you paying?
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>o' th' barn) wrote:
>>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
>meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
>chocolate.
Sounds good to me - are you paying?
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> o' th' barn) wrote:
>
> >"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
> >
> >> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
> >
> >I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
> >having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>
> I am happy to declare myself abominable:
I'm sure you're not alone, judging by the eating habits of people in
restaurants.
> my idea of a good finish to a
> meal is cheese with red wine,
OK so far.
> followed by coffee
Blech.
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> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> o' th' barn) wrote:
>
> >"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
> >
> >> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
> >
> >I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
> >having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>
> I am happy to declare myself abominable:
I'm sure you're not alone, judging by the eating habits of people in
restaurants.
> my idea of a good finish to a
> meal is cheese with red wine,
OK so far.
> followed by coffee
Blech.
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:40:32 +0100, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-01-26 13:43:37 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> said:
>> Cheese is about the only thing we bring back from UK nowadays.
>>
>> that and ABM flour + Heinz tomato soup and baked beans :-)
>Bacon - that's what we crave. "Ontbijtspeck" is a poor alternative.
There's a factory that produces best back smoked bacon for export to
UK about 10 km from here. For some reason that's not clear to us, they
have dropped their prices to what we were paying them for bacon in
1979. There's no sign of the UK supermarkets that they export to
doing the same.
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Martin
wrote:
>On 2005-01-26 13:43:37 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> said:
>> Cheese is about the only thing we bring back from UK nowadays.
>>
>> that and ABM flour + Heinz tomato soup and baked beans :-)
>Bacon - that's what we crave. "Ontbijtspeck" is a poor alternative.
There's a factory that produces best back smoked bacon for export to
UK about 10 km from here. For some reason that's not clear to us, they
have dropped their prices to what we were paying them for bacon in
1979. There's no sign of the UK supermarkets that they export to
doing the same.
--
Martin
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Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:47 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>>o' th' barn) wrote:
>>>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>>>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>>>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>>>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>>I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
>>meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
>>chocolate.
>Sounds good to me - are you paying?
Eating at home this evening: do call in.
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>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:47 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>>o' th' barn) wrote:
>>>"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> wrote:
>>>> And coffee is not taken WITH dessert.
>>>I think it depends on what you're having for dessert. That said, I think
>>>having coffee after an evening meal is a bit of an abomination anyway.
>>I am happy to declare myself abominable: my idea of a good finish to a
>>meal is cheese with red wine, followed by coffee and a tablet of
>>chocolate.
>Sounds good to me - are you paying?
Eating at home this evening: do call in.
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:41 +0000, Keith Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:32:41 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:43:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:32:11 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:27 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:48 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts know
>>>>>>>better?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a British friend, who always ordered a grand creme with his
>>>>>> meal.
>>>>>He was probably maladjusted ;-)
>>>>
>>>> He was the guy, who imported car boots full of Heinz baked beans to
>>>> Toulouse and lived on them for three years. Talk about renewable
>>>> energy sources ...
>>>I was right!
>>>There's a guy here that when he goes abroad on a business trip (generally
>>>to Italy) always takes enough Austrian food with him to last. Sausages,
>>>dwarf bread, a jar of pickled gherkins. He doesn't like foreign food and
>>>happily admits to never having eaten any. What a prannet.
>>and the Dutch family with a 4 week supply of Dutch bread in their
>>camper when they visited UK.
>And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>modelmaking and car repairs.
Dutch bread doesn't keep long, because it lacks the chemicals used in
UK bread.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:32:41 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:43:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:32:11 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:27 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:48 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But perhaps coffee with your meal is an American thing, and the Britts know
>>>>>>>better?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a British friend, who always ordered a grand creme with his
>>>>>> meal.
>>>>>He was probably maladjusted ;-)
>>>>
>>>> He was the guy, who imported car boots full of Heinz baked beans to
>>>> Toulouse and lived on them for three years. Talk about renewable
>>>> energy sources ...
>>>I was right!
>>>There's a guy here that when he goes abroad on a business trip (generally
>>>to Italy) always takes enough Austrian food with him to last. Sausages,
>>>dwarf bread, a jar of pickled gherkins. He doesn't like foreign food and
>>>happily admits to never having eaten any. What a prannet.
>>and the Dutch family with a 4 week supply of Dutch bread in their
>>camper when they visited UK.
>And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>modelmaking and car repairs.
Dutch bread doesn't keep long, because it lacks the chemicals used in
UK bread.
--
Martin
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Re: Article about French Waiters
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:01:24 +0000, Keith Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:32:56 +0000, [email protected]
>(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[]
>>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
>Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
>on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
>http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
>and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
>lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
>Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
>and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
>disappointed.
It's very easy to make your own bread with an automatic bread machine.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:32:56 +0000, [email protected]
>(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[]
>>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
>Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
>on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
>http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
>and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
>lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
>Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
>and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
>disappointed.
It's very easy to make your own bread with an automatic bread machine.
--
Martin
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Re: Article about French Waiters
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:22:08 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:01:24 +0000, Keith Anderson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:32:56 +0000, [email protected]
>>(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>>>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>>>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>>>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
>>Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
>>on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
>>http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
>>and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
>>lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
>>Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
>>and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
>>disappointed.
>It's very easy to make your own bread with an automatic bread machine.
Both my parents are in their 80s and live quite a way from the nearest
major town. (They're in the Rutland/Northamptonshire/Lincolnshire
border area). My mother uses a bread machine every so often with
excellent results - ½ wholemeal flour, ½ strong white bread flour -
very tasty indeed.
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:01:24 +0000, Keith Anderson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:32:56 +0000, [email protected]
>>(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>>>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> And who can blame them - the only thing Mother's Pride is good for is
>>>> modelmaking and car repairs.
>>>Is that all you can buy in your local shops then? :)
>>Nah - I'm being facetious of course. There's a terrific little bakery
>>on Bristol's Gloucester Road:
>>http://www.wcities.com/en/record/240...41/record.html
>>and Herbert's Bakery not that far away in the Montpellier suburb -
>>lovely wholemeal organic stuff.
>>Trouble is, if you're here as a tourist and don't know where to look
>>and rely on Tesco and Sainsbury's instore bakeries, you could be sadly
>>disappointed.
>It's very easy to make your own bread with an automatic bread machine.
Both my parents are in their 80s and live quite a way from the nearest
major town. (They're in the Rutland/Northamptonshire/Lincolnshire
border area). My mother uses a bread machine every so often with
excellent results - ½ wholemeal flour, ½ strong white bread flour -
very tasty indeed.