Any rules here?
Mar 2nd 2003 | 1:56 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
Alex Starke wrote:
>
> "Pan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 1 Mar 2003 22:36:33 -0800, [email protected] (Abby Lam) wrote:
> >
> > >Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > >would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > >mention.....
> > [snip]
> >
> > This group is unmoderated, so most of the posts nowadays are off-topic
> > political rants. But this newsgroup is supposed to be about travel to
> > Europe. Here's a copy of this group's charter, under which it was
> > established:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announ...c.travel-reorg
> >
> > CHARTER
> >
> > rec.travel.europe (unmoderated)
> >
> > Rec.travel.europe is for the discussion of all aspects of travel in
> > Europe. This includes discussion of travel in western Europe (France,
> > Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Great Britain, Ireland,
> > Belgium, The Netherlands, etc.); in Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden,
> > Denmark, Finland); in eastern Europe (Poland, Hungary, Romania, the
> > Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, Lituania, Estonia, Bulgaria,
> > Croatia, Slovenia, Albania, Ukraine, Byelorus, etc.), as well as in
> > Iceland, Russia, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Malta, and
> > Cyprus.
> >
> > I hope this is instructive, and welcome aboard!
> >
> > Michael
> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why people
> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for me
> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I can
> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
alas.
>
> "Pan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 1 Mar 2003 22:36:33 -0800, [email protected] (Abby Lam) wrote:
> >
> > >Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > >would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > >mention.....
> > [snip]
> >
> > This group is unmoderated, so most of the posts nowadays are off-topic
> > political rants. But this newsgroup is supposed to be about travel to
> > Europe. Here's a copy of this group's charter, under which it was
> > established:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announ...c.travel-reorg
> >
> > CHARTER
> >
> > rec.travel.europe (unmoderated)
> >
> > Rec.travel.europe is for the discussion of all aspects of travel in
> > Europe. This includes discussion of travel in western Europe (France,
> > Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Great Britain, Ireland,
> > Belgium, The Netherlands, etc.); in Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden,
> > Denmark, Finland); in eastern Europe (Poland, Hungary, Romania, the
> > Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, Lituania, Estonia, Bulgaria,
> > Croatia, Slovenia, Albania, Ukraine, Byelorus, etc.), as well as in
> > Iceland, Russia, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Malta, and
> > Cyprus.
> >
> > I hope this is instructive, and welcome aboard!
> >
> > Michael
> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why people
> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for me
> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I can
> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
alas.
Mar 2nd 2003 | 2:05 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
devil wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:23:55 +0000, Gerrit wrote:
> >
> > There is a set of "rules" which is posted here fairly regularly by
> > Yves Bellefeuille ([email protected]). If you go to Newsgroups on Google
> > and search for "rec.travel.europe FAQ" then you will be able to view
> > this. There have been some accrimonious debates about this FAQ but
> > this is the closest to a set of rules I know about. If nothing else it
> > does have some good information.
>
> Careful here. I don't believe there is anything like a consensus on
> these. More a case of a self-appointed vigilante really. (Although it
> would appear he has recently stepped down.)
Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
anymore.
>
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:23:55 +0000, Gerrit wrote:
> >
> > There is a set of "rules" which is posted here fairly regularly by
> > Yves Bellefeuille ([email protected]). If you go to Newsgroups on Google
> > and search for "rec.travel.europe FAQ" then you will be able to view
> > this. There have been some accrimonious debates about this FAQ but
> > this is the closest to a set of rules I know about. If nothing else it
> > does have some good information.
>
> Careful here. I don't believe there is anything like a consensus on
> these. More a case of a self-appointed vigilante really. (Although it
> would appear he has recently stepped down.)
Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
anymore.
Mar 2nd 2003 | 2:15 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
bill frogg wrote:
>
> It seems helpful if you are about thirteen years old, sexually and
> politically naive, and born of boring rightwing parents.....
> froglett
....See what I meant about a thick skin? We have a few unfortunates
here like this one, who greet complete strangers with gratuitous
insults. (They don't all wait for offensive or inflammatory posts to
spit their venom, but insulting strangers on newsgroups evidently makes
them feel better, and it's cheaper than seeking professional help for
their problems.)
>
> It seems helpful if you are about thirteen years old, sexually and
> politically naive, and born of boring rightwing parents.....
> froglett
....See what I meant about a thick skin? We have a few unfortunates
here like this one, who greet complete strangers with gratuitous
insults. (They don't all wait for offensive or inflammatory posts to
spit their venom, but insulting strangers on newsgroups evidently makes
them feel better, and it's cheaper than seeking professional help for
their problems.)
Mar 2nd 2003 | 2:22 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
Doug Burke wrote:
>
> It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your question.
> I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> manners by others.
> For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on), having
> been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> as many others in the group.
> Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> Doug Burke
Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
"real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
>
> Abby Lam wrote:
>
> > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > mention.....
> > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > A
>
> It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your question.
> I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> manners by others.
> For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on), having
> been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> as many others in the group.
> Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> Doug Burke
Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
"real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
>
> Abby Lam wrote:
>
> > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > mention.....
> > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > A
Mar 2nd 2003 | 4:50 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:05:34 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
>grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
>explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
>obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
>remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
>fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
>anymore.
Do you think anyone has gone because of the amount of bandwidth
monopolized by off-topic shouting matches?
Michael
wrote:
>Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
>grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
>explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
>obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
>remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
>fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
>anymore.
Do you think anyone has gone because of the amount of bandwidth
monopolized by off-topic shouting matches?
Michael
Mar 2nd 2003 | 4:53 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:54:57 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Pan wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 23:28:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >None that I've noticed, in three years or more of posting here! As with
>> >most unmoderated Usenet newsgroups, it's nice when people stay on topic
>> >and avoid insulting others,
>> [snip]
>>
>> Nothing person, Evelyn, but don't you post prolifically on Iraq, which
>> is off-topic here?
>I notice you snipped the rest of my comment, in order to have a basis
>for your snide remark.
I said "nothing person[al]." I made an annoyed remark, rather than one
which was meant to be snide.
> Suppose you include ALL of it, next time?
Suppose I don't. Snipping that part of the post not relevant to a
reply is good nettiquette.
>Taking remarks out of context so you can make them say what YOU want
>them to say is not exactly good "nettiquette", either.
You seek to talk to me about nettiquette? Are the off-topic shouting
matches good nettiquette? Mind you, I am more on your side than the
side of your opponents, but all the political bullshit here annoys the
hell out of me.
Michael
wrote:
>Pan wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 23:28:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >None that I've noticed, in three years or more of posting here! As with
>> >most unmoderated Usenet newsgroups, it's nice when people stay on topic
>> >and avoid insulting others,
>> [snip]
>>
>> Nothing person, Evelyn, but don't you post prolifically on Iraq, which
>> is off-topic here?
>I notice you snipped the rest of my comment, in order to have a basis
>for your snide remark.
I said "nothing person[al]." I made an annoyed remark, rather than one
which was meant to be snide.
> Suppose you include ALL of it, next time?
Suppose I don't. Snipping that part of the post not relevant to a
reply is good nettiquette.
>Taking remarks out of context so you can make them say what YOU want
>them to say is not exactly good "nettiquette", either.
You seek to talk to me about nettiquette? Are the off-topic shouting
matches good nettiquette? Mind you, I am more on your side than the
side of your opponents, but all the political bullshit here annoys the
hell out of me.
Michael
Mar 2nd 2003 | 4:54 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:56:20 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Alex Starke wrote:
>> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why people
>> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for me
>> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I can
>> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
>As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
>alas.
So why don't you take it upon yourself to quit posting on them? If
people one by one stopped posting on those threads, they'd eventually
take up less space and, perhaps, end.
Michael
wrote:
>Alex Starke wrote:
>> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why people
>> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for me
>> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I can
>> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
>As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
>alas.
So why don't you take it upon yourself to quit posting on them? If
people one by one stopped posting on those threads, they'd eventually
take up less space and, perhaps, end.
Michael
Mar 2nd 2003 | 5:04 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:05:34 +0000, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> devil wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:23:55 +0000, Gerrit wrote:
>> >
>> > There is a set of "rules" which is posted here fairly regularly by
>> > Yves Bellefeuille ([email protected]). If you go to Newsgroups on Google
>> > and search for "rec.travel.europe FAQ" then you will be able to view
>> > this. There have been some accrimonious debates about this FAQ but
>> > this is the closest to a set of rules I know about. If nothing else it
>> > does have some good information.
>>
>> Careful here. I don't believe there is anything like a consensus on
>> these. More a case of a self-appointed vigilante really. (Although it
>> would appear he has recently stepped down.)
>
> Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
> grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
> explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
> obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
> remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
> fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
> anymore.
That would have been Robert Buxbaum?
>
>
> devil wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:23:55 +0000, Gerrit wrote:
>> >
>> > There is a set of "rules" which is posted here fairly regularly by
>> > Yves Bellefeuille ([email protected]). If you go to Newsgroups on Google
>> > and search for "rec.travel.europe FAQ" then you will be able to view
>> > this. There have been some accrimonious debates about this FAQ but
>> > this is the closest to a set of rules I know about. If nothing else it
>> > does have some good information.
>>
>> Careful here. I don't believe there is anything like a consensus on
>> these. More a case of a self-appointed vigilante really. (Although it
>> would appear he has recently stepped down.)
>
> Quite a few of our "regulars" seem to have left us! I know Jack has a
> grandson to occupy his time now, and Mxmanic e-mailed me privately to
> explain why he hasn't been around lately (nothing world-shaking, but he
> obviously preferred not to post it here). But there was Robert (can't
> remember the last name) a widely traveled New Yorker with an interest in
> fine wines, and Yves and a couple of others that don't seem to be around
> anymore.
That would have been Robert Buxbaum?
Mar 2nd 2003 | 5:44 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
"Pan" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:56:20 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Alex Starke wrote:
> >> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why
people
> >> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for
me
> >> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I
can
> >> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
> >
> >As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
> >alas.
> So why don't you take it upon yourself to quit posting on them? If
> people one by one stopped posting on those threads, they'd eventually
> take up less space and, perhaps, end.
> Michael
I have followed this forum since 1997 and have seen dozens of very
interesting and travel knowledgeable people leave the group. I learned
quite a lot from those people. This used to be the source of most of my
travel destination ideas but with so many interesting people gone I get very
few ideas from here anymore. I get a kick out of offering help to less
experienced travelers but it ain't what it used to be and that is a shame.
There are still some interesting travel people here but they are being
drowned out by the shithouse lawyers and self-proclaimed expert political
analysts who never let truth and facts get in the way of a good tirade. You
will not be able to ascertain by this post or any other what my political
opinions on the current war situation is and that is by design. I don't
feel I have the right to trouble anyone with those views in this travel
focused forum.
See Europe. All of it. God did some of his best work there.
Ryan
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:56:20 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Alex Starke wrote:
> >> I agree with you Michael, but some of these people interjecting why
people
> >> should not travel to Europe or boycott countries are just too much for
me
> >> not to say something. I always try to help people with questions that I
can
> >> answer, but I feel the need to go after the negative characters. }:~>
> >
> >As do many of the rest of us - which is why those threads grow so long,
> >alas.
> So why don't you take it upon yourself to quit posting on them? If
> people one by one stopped posting on those threads, they'd eventually
> take up less space and, perhaps, end.
> Michael
I have followed this forum since 1997 and have seen dozens of very
interesting and travel knowledgeable people leave the group. I learned
quite a lot from those people. This used to be the source of most of my
travel destination ideas but with so many interesting people gone I get very
few ideas from here anymore. I get a kick out of offering help to less
experienced travelers but it ain't what it used to be and that is a shame.
There are still some interesting travel people here but they are being
drowned out by the shithouse lawyers and self-proclaimed expert political
analysts who never let truth and facts get in the way of a good tirade. You
will not be able to ascertain by this post or any other what my political
opinions on the current war situation is and that is by design. I don't
feel I have the right to trouble anyone with those views in this travel
focused forum.
See Europe. All of it. God did some of his best work there.
Ryan
Mar 2nd 2003 | 9:55 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
I never thought of it as a matter of "looking for praise". Those are your
words Evelyn, not mine. I just thought of it as a matter of good manners. Much
the same as a "thank you" when you hold a door open for someone although
you'll probably post that's not needed either. And you know Evelyn, for once,
you would be correct, as it's about being polite. Politeness anywhere, be it
in the public, the private the real or virtual world is never REQUIRED. As a
good manners
And I did note Evelyn, if you read my whole post, that more and more "I don't
bother". Those are my words.
Doug Burke
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Doug Burke wrote:
> >
> > It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> > (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your question.
> > I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> > detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> > manners by others.
> > For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on), having
> > been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> > reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> > as many others in the group.
> > Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> > and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> > If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> > log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> > out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> > Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> > bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> > If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> > Doug Burke
> Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
> we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
> you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
> "real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
> honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
> trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
> >
> > Abby Lam wrote:
> >
> > > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > > mention.....
> > > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
words Evelyn, not mine. I just thought of it as a matter of good manners. Much
the same as a "thank you" when you hold a door open for someone although
you'll probably post that's not needed either. And you know Evelyn, for once,
you would be correct, as it's about being polite. Politeness anywhere, be it
in the public, the private the real or virtual world is never REQUIRED. As a
good manners
And I did note Evelyn, if you read my whole post, that more and more "I don't
bother". Those are my words.
Doug Burke
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Doug Burke wrote:
> >
> > It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> > (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your question.
> > I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> > detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> > manners by others.
> > For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on), having
> > been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> > reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> > as many others in the group.
> > Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> > and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> > If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> > log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> > out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> > Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> > bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> > If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> > Doug Burke
> Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
> we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
> you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
> "real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
> honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
> trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
> >
> > Abby Lam wrote:
> >
> > > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > > mention.....
> > > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
Mar 2nd 2003 | 10:13 pm
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Re: Any rules here?
Doug Burke wrote in an honest and forthright way :
"Doug Burke" wrote in message
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> I never thought of it as a matter of "looking for praise". Those are your
> words Evelyn, not mine. I just thought of it as a matter of good manners.
Much
> the same as a "thank you" when you hold a door open for someone although
> you'll probably post that's not needed either. And you know Evelyn, for
once,
> you would be correct, as it's about being polite. Politeness anywhere, be
it
> in the public, the private the real or virtual world is never REQUIRED. As
a
> good manners
> And I did note Evelyn, if you read my whole post, that more and more "I
don't
> bother". Those are my words.
> Doug Burke
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > Doug Burke wrote:
> > >
> > > It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> > > (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your
question.
> > > I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> > > detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> > > manners by others.
> > > For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on),
having
> > > been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> > > reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> > > as many others in the group.
> > > Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> > > and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> > > If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> > > log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> > > out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> > > Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> > > bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> > > If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> > > Doug Burke
> >
> > Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
> > we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
> > you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
> > "real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
> > honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
> > trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
> >
> > >
> > > Abby Lam wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > > > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > > > mention.....
> > > > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > > > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > > > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > A
don't worry about this person she seems to be a self loathing horrid
imposter of a human being. i for one have seen many thank you's and do so
often myself. also i would say most of us give advice to help and yes this
mostly makes us feel good but thanks are nice too and just common courtesy.
maybe in diva without a whatever's life (divamanque) this is not the case
but then ........ oh heck i will just leave it at that.
"Doug Burke" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I never thought of it as a matter of "looking for praise". Those are your
> words Evelyn, not mine. I just thought of it as a matter of good manners.
Much
> the same as a "thank you" when you hold a door open for someone although
> you'll probably post that's not needed either. And you know Evelyn, for
once,
> you would be correct, as it's about being polite. Politeness anywhere, be
it
> in the public, the private the real or virtual world is never REQUIRED. As
a
> good manners
> And I did note Evelyn, if you read my whole post, that more and more "I
don't
> bother". Those are my words.
> Doug Burke
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > Doug Burke wrote:
> > >
> > > It helps if you bother to post a "Thanks a lot for the info" message
> > > (Like THAT took a lot of time) to a thread of replies to your
question.
> > > I think a lot of information goes unposted by individuals who have
> > > detailed knowledge of a specific question simply because of poor past
> > > manners by others.
> > > For example, in my specific case (which is all I have to go on),
having
> > > been to Europe on eight trips since 1985 and have accumulated a
> > > reasonable degree of knowledge on European travel although not as much
> > > as many others in the group.
> > > Anyway, I'll see a post about hotel such and such in city so and so
> > > and, having stayed in the SAME hotel, consider answering the question.
> > > If I do it takes me maybe 10 minutes to find the details in our travel
> > > log (which we keep in out photo album) and another few minutes to type
> > > out the reply. I've invested 15 minutes in helping this person so far.
> > > Well, after spending this amount of time, usually the person doesn't
> > > bother posting a "thanks" so for the next person, I don't bother.
> > > If you post for info and get a reply, post a "thanks".
> > > Doug Burke
> >
> > Hmmm.... I think most of us give advice to prospective travelers because
> > we enjoy doing so, not because we're looking for praise! Nor are "thank
> > you's" common on ANY public forum I've experienced - neither in the
> > "real" world nor the virtual one. (Sorry if you find responding to
> > honest inquiries such a chore - perhaps you should save yourself the
> > trouble, if you don't feel your efforts are properly appreciated.)
> >
> > >
> > > Abby Lam wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> > > > would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> > > > mention.....
> > > > I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> > > > this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> > > > kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > A
don't worry about this person she seems to be a self loathing horrid
imposter of a human being. i for one have seen many thank you's and do so
often myself. also i would say most of us give advice to help and yes this
mostly makes us feel good but thanks are nice too and just common courtesy.
maybe in diva without a whatever's life (divamanque) this is not the case
but then ........ oh heck i will just leave it at that.
Mar 2nd 2003 | 11:18 pm
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Any rules here?
Hey guys,
wow......that's really impressed me a lot when i see many of you
posted a reply. Some of the replies and websites are really helped. No
matter what, thanks a lot! I do enjoy travel and hope to find any
fantastic places in Europe.Any new routes, plans, ideas or experience
are welcome.
Cheers,
A
wow......that's really impressed me a lot when i see many of you
posted a reply. Some of the replies and websites are really helped. No
matter what, thanks a lot! I do enjoy travel and hope to find any
fantastic places in Europe.Any new routes, plans, ideas or experience
are welcome.
Cheers,
A
Mar 3rd 2003 | 1:48 am
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Any rules here?
Hi,
pretty wide open if you're nice.
I've always thought that "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I
won't be layed a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I
require the same from them." was a good set of "laws to live by".
ttyl
akia
Abby Lam wrote:
> Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> mention.....
> I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> A
--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966
pretty wide open if you're nice.
I've always thought that "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I
won't be layed a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I
require the same from them." was a good set of "laws to live by".
ttyl
akia
Abby Lam wrote:
> Well.......this is an interesting group........as a new comers, i
> would like to know are there any RULES here?like things we can't
> mention.....
> I saw most of the messages you guys have posted.It seems to me that
> this group is quite long in history and most of the people are very
> kind in offering help to each other.I learnt much here anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> A
--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966
Mar 3rd 2003 | 5:20 am
#44
Just Joined
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21
From: switzerland
Re: Any rules here?
regarding the discussion of what countries are included under this "Europe" topic... I want to discuss Bosnia! It's not included but Turkey and Russia are? Who's in charge of the geography here? BTW, I LOVE Bosnia- its gorgeous there. I suggest a local guide, though... there are still mines in the forests 
What i really want to know is how to get the thread text to stay in the other font.... I'm not stupid about this stuff, really, I just know I am missing some trick....
Thanks
Liz
What i really want to know is how to get the thread text to stay in the other font.... I'm not stupid about this stuff, really, I just know I am missing some trick....
Thanks
Liz
Mar 3rd 2003 | 5:46 am
#45
Guest
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Re: Any rules here?
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:20:58 +0000, upthemountain
wrote:
>regarding the discussion of what countries are included under this
>"Europe" topic... I want to discuss Bosnia! It's not included but Turkey
>and Russia are? Who's in charge of the geography here? BTW, I LOVE
>Bosnia- its gorgeous there. I suggest a local guide, though... there
>are still mines in the forests
Last I knew both Turkey and Russia were considered European countries
(at least for Russia west of the Urals and Turkey west of the
Bosporus).
>What i really want to know is how to get the thread text to stay in the
>other font.... I'm not stupid about this stuff, really, I just know I am
>missing some trick....
Impossible to answer your question without knowing what newsreader
software you use, or, if through a website, what browser you use;
browser fonts are usually changeable through the configuration editor.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>regarding the discussion of what countries are included under this
>"Europe" topic... I want to discuss Bosnia! It's not included but Turkey
>and Russia are? Who's in charge of the geography here? BTW, I LOVE
>Bosnia- its gorgeous there. I suggest a local guide, though... there
>are still mines in the forests
Last I knew both Turkey and Russia were considered European countries
(at least for Russia west of the Urals and Turkey west of the
Bosporus).
>What i really want to know is how to get the thread text to stay in the
>other font.... I'm not stupid about this stuff, really, I just know I am
>missing some trick....
Impossible to answer your question without knowing what newsreader
software you use, or, if through a website, what browser you use;
browser fonts are usually changeable through the configuration editor.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
