Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > The same situation exists in Indonesia now.

No it does't. Indonesia is an island nation and the temperature rarely dips
below 20, except in the mountains.

miguel
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nitram wrote:
    > Icono Clast wrote:
    >>>>>> Why didn't Truman invite top Japanese politicians and
    >>>>>> brass to Alamogordo to witness the test there?
    >>>
    >>> The fact that it took the dropping of two to make them
    >>> surrender answers your question. If one dropped didn't make
    >>> them surrender why should you think that watching a demo
    >>> would?
    >>
    >> That's after the fact of the Alamogordo test where the Japanese
    >> could have witnessed, and pondered, what could have happened
    >> before it did thus saving many Japanese lives.
    >
    > Do you think they didn't ponder after the first bomb was dropped
    > on Japan. The Japanese could have saved countless lives.

I'm sure they did. Has why they didn't surrender after the first bomb
was dropped ever been reported?
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:14:45 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram writes:
    >> The Emperor, the government and generals knew about it.
    >They had trouble understanding and believing what they were told.

There was split between the army on one side and the and the Emperor
and his politicians on the other.
The Japanese army wanted to fight to the last man.

    >> I suppose you were there as an alien observer?
    >I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

So much for freedom of information :-)
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:04:54 -0800, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> Icono Clast wrote:
    >>>>>>> Why didn't Truman invite top Japanese politicians and
    >>>>>>> brass to Alamogordo to witness the test there?
    >>>>
    >>>> The fact that it took the dropping of two to make them
    >>>> surrender answers your question. If one dropped didn't make
    >>>> them surrender why should you think that watching a demo
    >>>> would?
    >>>
    >>> That's after the fact of the Alamogordo test where the Japanese
    >>> could have witnessed, and pondered, what could have happened
    >>> before it did thus saving many Japanese lives.
    >>
    >> Do you think they didn't ponder after the first bomb was dropped
    >> on Japan. The Japanese could have saved countless lives.
    >I'm sure they did. Has why they didn't surrender after the first bomb
    >was dropped ever been reported?

According to numerous documentaries on Discovery, because the army
thought suicide was more honourable than to accept defeat.

I am absolutely certain that if UK, Russia or Germany had had the atom
bomb it would have been used to finish the European war.
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    > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:14:45 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>nitram writes:
    >>> The Emperor, the government and generals knew about it.
    >>They had trouble understanding and believing what they were told.
    > There was split between the army on one side and the and the Emperor
    > and his politicians on the other.
    > The Japanese army wanted to fight to the last man.
    >>> I suppose you were there as an alien observer?
    >>I'm not at liberty to discuss that.
    > So much for freedom of information :-)

There is no Freedom of Information Act on his home Planet of Spiridon.
Ex-term-in-ate.

JohnT

nitram writes:

    > There was split between the army on one side and the and the Emperor
    > and his politicians on the other.

No, they just weren't quiet sure what was going on.

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:19:56 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram writes:
    >> There was split between the army on one side and the and the Emperor
    >> and his politicians on the other.
    >No, they just weren't quiet sure what was going on.


That's your opinion.
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nitram writes:

    > That's your opinion.

Why do you feel compelled to point out that it is my opinion? You did
not feel compelled to make the same observation concerning your own post
(and neither did I, since it is self-evident).

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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:35:37 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram writes:
    >> That's your opinion.
    >Why do you feel compelled to point out that it is my opinion? You did
    >not feel compelled to make the same observation concerning your own post
    >(and neither did I, since it is self-evident).

because as usual you offered no evidence for your opinion, but
frequently expect evidence from others. It's just your opinion, not
fact as far as I am concerned.

If you want to believe that the US nuking of Japan was motiveless and
done by US war criminals good luck. Most people alive at the time
thought it was a good thing and a pity it couldn't have been done 3
years earlier. There are still people alive today, who never recovered
from the atrocities committed by the Japanese in Indonesia, I knew two
of them.
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nitram writes:

    > because as usual you offered no evidence for your opinion, but
    > frequently expect evidence from others.

No. You offered no evidence for yours, and I said nothing. You asked
for evidence to support my opinion, even though you had provided no
evidence for yours, and so I simply called you on it.

    > It's just your opinion, not fact as far as I am concerned.

How is this any different from _your_ opinion?

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