American Restaurant in Paris
Dec 10th 2003, 4:18 am
#46
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
On 10/12/03 17:07, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> We are members of the American library and old books
>> are available there for even less, however.
>
> How good is this library? Someone suggested it to me as a research
> resource for my studies, but I don't know much about it, or how large it
> is, or what kinds of books it has to loan.
It has been around since WWI, so has built up a supply of older books. I
find the problem with new acquisitions being a little light so I end up
buying books they don`t have. It is private and supported at about the
50% level from donations of patrons. They don`t have a lot of extra
space or money for a large increase in the number of books. All libraries
are short on funds these days.
I would best to visit yourself and roam through the stacks. The nice
thing is that you can go through the stacks, which is not always the
case in a French library! Places like the Bibliotheque Nationale are
a bitch to use and progressively have gotten worse over the years.
My wife regularly uses the BN and Archives Nationales, various other
collections in Paris which are more specialized. She works now and then
for individuals in the States or Britain wanting information, she knows
where most of the bodies are buried.
I don`t know what you need to research on but my feeling is that it would
not be a good research tool for most academic research. It is more like
a city library in the US, not an academic library.
They have a section also connected with the American University in Paris,
which is also located in the 7th, but I don`t know what materials they
have separately.
>> Most of our book purchases are via Amazon or locally
>> at FNAC, which is also nearby.
>
> When I buy books, they are almost always from Amazon.com in the U.S.
> Part of that is because I tend to buy books in English, of course.
Amazon`s delivery is good. If you are in London I recommend Foyles, which
is mult-floored and has a lot more stuff than you`d find in any single
US book store (New York has a variety of places but Foyles seems
to have it all in one place). On each trip to the US we do a book
store blitz but we always take a day flight back from the East
Coast to London, returning here by train. This avoids sitting up
all night on the train. Also other bookstores on Charring Cross
(Foyle is one) are really good. London is worth a visit just
for the book stores.
>> I have noticed that the place has a lot of African and
>> Arab customers, not as frequented by the ethnic
>> French as McDonalds.
>
> I've noticed the same thing, and it reminds me of the allegedly
> unjustified stereotype of blacks eating chicken. Odd that the reality
> seems to reinforce the stereotype. There are more blacks at KFC than at
> McDonalds, even when they are right next to each other. I rather like
> KFC myself, although these days one must wonder exactly where chicken
> comes from.
Both KFC and McDonalds are pork free so that is not a problem. One
thing is that the hot and spicy chicken fits some of the African and North
African tastes. The man (Barry) we help in prison is originally from Ghana
but naturalized American. He likes spicy food. At Christmas each year
prisoners in France are allowed a colis de noel, up to 5kg of food can
be brought it. For years he has requested 5 kg of Kentucky Hot Chicken.
Hot and spicy! One of his prison friends, an Iranian terrorist, likes
the chicken too.
Last year, at his request, we suggested a change, roast shoulder of lamb
(stuffed with garlic cloves) and he liked this so much that he wants two!
So Saturday we are taking 2-1kg rolled shoulders of lamb. Another friend
from Holland is coming down at Christmas with the other portion of the 5
kgs, mostly Dutch delights. The roasts will be stored in a frige he is
renting (one can rent this kind of think in some French prisons) for
store the meat, which he will reheat.
Anyway, yes, the Africans in France like chicken, especially if it is
spicy. We do too. The French themselves are a bit leery of hot food,
a little bit is OK but not too much. But I understand the taste
for KFC by the Africans and Arabs. Barry is also Moslem so keeps
pretty much to the dietary rules. He does break Ramadan during our
visits since I smuggle in chocolate chip cookies and muffins. He is
not militantly Moslem, however.
>
>> On the Place Italy, Macs and Kentucky Fried
>> are next to one another.
>
> They aren't too far apart at the Forum, either.
The quality seem to be better at the place Italy, however,
I have bought at both places.
Earl
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> We are members of the American library and old books
>> are available there for even less, however.
>
> How good is this library? Someone suggested it to me as a research
> resource for my studies, but I don't know much about it, or how large it
> is, or what kinds of books it has to loan.
It has been around since WWI, so has built up a supply of older books. I
find the problem with new acquisitions being a little light so I end up
buying books they don`t have. It is private and supported at about the
50% level from donations of patrons. They don`t have a lot of extra
space or money for a large increase in the number of books. All libraries
are short on funds these days.
I would best to visit yourself and roam through the stacks. The nice
thing is that you can go through the stacks, which is not always the
case in a French library! Places like the Bibliotheque Nationale are
a bitch to use and progressively have gotten worse over the years.
My wife regularly uses the BN and Archives Nationales, various other
collections in Paris which are more specialized. She works now and then
for individuals in the States or Britain wanting information, she knows
where most of the bodies are buried.
I don`t know what you need to research on but my feeling is that it would
not be a good research tool for most academic research. It is more like
a city library in the US, not an academic library.
They have a section also connected with the American University in Paris,
which is also located in the 7th, but I don`t know what materials they
have separately.
>> Most of our book purchases are via Amazon or locally
>> at FNAC, which is also nearby.
>
> When I buy books, they are almost always from Amazon.com in the U.S.
> Part of that is because I tend to buy books in English, of course.
Amazon`s delivery is good. If you are in London I recommend Foyles, which
is mult-floored and has a lot more stuff than you`d find in any single
US book store (New York has a variety of places but Foyles seems
to have it all in one place). On each trip to the US we do a book
store blitz but we always take a day flight back from the East
Coast to London, returning here by train. This avoids sitting up
all night on the train. Also other bookstores on Charring Cross
(Foyle is one) are really good. London is worth a visit just
for the book stores.
>> I have noticed that the place has a lot of African and
>> Arab customers, not as frequented by the ethnic
>> French as McDonalds.
>
> I've noticed the same thing, and it reminds me of the allegedly
> unjustified stereotype of blacks eating chicken. Odd that the reality
> seems to reinforce the stereotype. There are more blacks at KFC than at
> McDonalds, even when they are right next to each other. I rather like
> KFC myself, although these days one must wonder exactly where chicken
> comes from.
Both KFC and McDonalds are pork free so that is not a problem. One
thing is that the hot and spicy chicken fits some of the African and North
African tastes. The man (Barry) we help in prison is originally from Ghana
but naturalized American. He likes spicy food. At Christmas each year
prisoners in France are allowed a colis de noel, up to 5kg of food can
be brought it. For years he has requested 5 kg of Kentucky Hot Chicken.
Hot and spicy! One of his prison friends, an Iranian terrorist, likes
the chicken too.
Last year, at his request, we suggested a change, roast shoulder of lamb
(stuffed with garlic cloves) and he liked this so much that he wants two!
So Saturday we are taking 2-1kg rolled shoulders of lamb. Another friend
from Holland is coming down at Christmas with the other portion of the 5
kgs, mostly Dutch delights. The roasts will be stored in a frige he is
renting (one can rent this kind of think in some French prisons) for
store the meat, which he will reheat.
Anyway, yes, the Africans in France like chicken, especially if it is
spicy. We do too. The French themselves are a bit leery of hot food,
a little bit is OK but not too much. But I understand the taste
for KFC by the Africans and Arabs. Barry is also Moslem so keeps
pretty much to the dietary rules. He does break Ramadan during our
visits since I smuggle in chocolate chip cookies and muffins. He is
not militantly Moslem, however.
>
>> On the Place Italy, Macs and Kentucky Fried
>> are next to one another.
>
> They aren't too far apart at the Forum, either.
The quality seem to be better at the place Italy, however,
I have bought at both places.
Earl
Dec 10th 2003, 4:20 am
#47
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
On 10/12/03 17:09, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Restaurants that don't have identifiable chefs de cuisine will not get
> stars.
With the Tour d'Argent always having had stars, one wonders.
Earl
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Restaurants that don't have identifiable chefs de cuisine will not get
> stars.
With the Tour d'Argent always having had stars, one wonders.
Earl
Dec 10th 2003, 4:24 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
On 10/12/03 18:09, in article [email protected], "Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BBFC95B8.1EE58%[email protected]...
>
>> ... The other "major" Fast is Kentucky Fried Chicken. ...
>
> Just curious, in Paris, do they call themselves KFC or PFK?
>
> Richard
>
>
KFC
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BBFC95B8.1EE58%[email protected]...
>
>> ... The other "major" Fast is Kentucky Fried Chicken. ...
>
> Just curious, in Paris, do they call themselves KFC or PFK?
>
> Richard
>
>
KFC
Dec 10th 2003, 4:31 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
"Javaman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<R7uBb.349014$275.1147987@attbi_s53>...
> No offense, but when I go anywhere in Europe, the last place I would want
> to eat is McDonalds. I don't even like them in the U.S.
>
> There are so many FANTASTIC places to eat and things to try, local
> specialities!!
>
> I guess if you had kids who were really homesick you could take them there,
Well, there is something to be said about the familiarity and comfort
factor of eating US fast food overseas. First, you know whats on the
menu, "Big Mac" is usually "Big Mac", or something close enough. This
is in contrast to having to decode/translate everything you see. The
product is surprisingly consistent, even given local sources for meat,
cheese, etc. There's also the nifty-factor, very common experience,
but different in only select but interesting ways. Someone there
usually has a working knowledge of English, if not the entire staff.
There is one particular time in Casablanca, Morocco, where we were
really tired and really hungry after a day of travelling and
eventually ended up in our hotel room. It was not quite late enough
for the normal dinner hour, and the particular area had no cafes etc
closeby. We had no particular desire to go hunting for food, anyways.
In looking at the yellow pages, damned if there wasn't a Pizza Hut
listed under Pizza. I called them up, preparing to use my VERY
limited knowledge of French, but there was someone there who spoke
English. 20 minutes later, a hot fresh New Yorker Pepperoni pizza was
delivered, with a 2-liter bottle of Coke, with a knock on the door. I
have to admit that we couldn't have been happier!!
With all this being said, one of the main reasons why I travel is to
immerse myself into another culture, their food, their language, their
customs, etc. I make an attempt to use their language, to try their
specialities, and look for authentic and real experiences. It would
certainly be sacrilege to not eat local food!! The Pigeon Pie in Fes
was great!
> No offense, but when I go anywhere in Europe, the last place I would want
> to eat is McDonalds. I don't even like them in the U.S.
>
> There are so many FANTASTIC places to eat and things to try, local
> specialities!!
>
> I guess if you had kids who were really homesick you could take them there,
Well, there is something to be said about the familiarity and comfort
factor of eating US fast food overseas. First, you know whats on the
menu, "Big Mac" is usually "Big Mac", or something close enough. This
is in contrast to having to decode/translate everything you see. The
product is surprisingly consistent, even given local sources for meat,
cheese, etc. There's also the nifty-factor, very common experience,
but different in only select but interesting ways. Someone there
usually has a working knowledge of English, if not the entire staff.
There is one particular time in Casablanca, Morocco, where we were
really tired and really hungry after a day of travelling and
eventually ended up in our hotel room. It was not quite late enough
for the normal dinner hour, and the particular area had no cafes etc
closeby. We had no particular desire to go hunting for food, anyways.
In looking at the yellow pages, damned if there wasn't a Pizza Hut
listed under Pizza. I called them up, preparing to use my VERY
limited knowledge of French, but there was someone there who spoke
English. 20 minutes later, a hot fresh New Yorker Pepperoni pizza was
delivered, with a 2-liter bottle of Coke, with a knock on the door. I
have to admit that we couldn't have been happier!!
With all this being said, one of the main reasons why I travel is to
immerse myself into another culture, their food, their language, their
customs, etc. I make an attempt to use their language, to try their
specialities, and look for authentic and real experiences. It would
certainly be sacrilege to not eat local food!! The Pigeon Pie in Fes
was great!
Dec 10th 2003, 4:37 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
> > ... I think there was also a move called "A Nous les petites
> > Anglaises, which English girls were sexually attractive to
> > French boys, I don`t remember ...
>
> Q: Comment dit-on "une jolie fille" en anglais?
> R: "A tourist."
That's a hackneyed joke used for lots of different countries. Last time
I read it, in English, it was about Poland.
David
--
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> Earl Evleth writes:
>
> > ... I think there was also a move called "A Nous les petites
> > Anglaises, which English girls were sexually attractive to
> > French boys, I don`t remember ...
>
> Q: Comment dit-on "une jolie fille" en anglais?
> R: "A tourist."
That's a hackneyed joke used for lots of different countries. Last time
I read it, in English, it was about Poland.
David
--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Dec 10th 2003, 4:37 am
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Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wife saw a friend last night, has just come back from States,
> complaining about the food. This is thirdhand now, but paraphrase
> would be something like "steak, steak and more steak with side
> salads, left dying for some simply steamed vegetables, gunky
> sweet sauces/relishes on everything." New England was the area,
> what were they doing wrong? (they are not the first to say
> something like that, so not just a loony).
Sounds a little like the food you'd get in some of the restaurants just
off the motorway. But, New England is good for food- excellent seafood
in particular IMO- I think they maybe didn't pick very well. They're
exaggerating a lot about the steak though.
David
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davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Wife saw a friend last night, has just come back from States,
> complaining about the food. This is thirdhand now, but paraphrase
> would be something like "steak, steak and more steak with side
> salads, left dying for some simply steamed vegetables, gunky
> sweet sauces/relishes on everything." New England was the area,
> what were they doing wrong? (they are not the first to say
> something like that, so not just a loony).
Sounds a little like the food you'd get in some of the restaurants just
off the motorway. But, New England is good for food- excellent seafood
in particular IMO- I think they maybe didn't pick very well. They're
exaggerating a lot about the steak though.
David
--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Dec 10th 2003, 4:37 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Earl Evleth
>
> >I must admit that I do not know what is typical "British food".
> >I think roasted meats would do well, like a roast beef rolled
> >out on a cart and a slice cut off on the spot. Simpson`s
> >on the Strand did this (one had to tip the carver) but I don`t
> >know if carved meats are still served up like that in Britain.
>
> Tip the carver! No Brit would have IMHO.
I've been at other fancy carveries where I didn't tip the carver. I
think the idea of tipping _during_ a meal is distasteful. Simpsons
charge enough that they bloody well shouldn't need to have the carver
tipped separately.
> Simpsons is Britain as
> it was or maybe still is to some people.
I've not had the pleasure of lunch or dinner at Simpsons, but I've had
several breakfast meetings there- it was quite an experience.
> Certainly roast meat
> with simply prepared vegetables are typical of very traditional
> British food and it is available in pubs on Sunday lunchtimes
> almost everywhere, cooked to differing standards and differing
> prices to match. I think lamb and pork are much more popular in
> UK than US?
I'd agree.
> Same for game birds like pheasant?
Yes. You can certainly get game in the US, and for all I know in very
rural areas it might be quite common, but at least in the cities it's
pretty rare. Then again, game doesn't seem to feature on UK menus as
much as it used to.
> I suppose meat pies, pasties and puddings are all traditional
> english food. Jellied eels, pie and mash, kippers, haggis, welsh
> rabbit, shepherds pie, potted crab, kedgeree, yorkshire pudding,
> toad in the hole, trifle, fish and chips are traditional fare but
> people eat them much less than they used to and some things like
> jellied eels and pie and mash the vast majority have never tried!
Of course, some foods are quite area specific. At Bury market the two
local specialities seem to be black pudding (very fine, and large
variety) and also a snack of steamed new potatoes. The lattter is very
simple obviously, but surprisingly delicious with a bit of salt.
> Offal I think is characteristic, liver and kidneys etc.
Yes. Again, I don't think this is eaten as much as it used to be.
> Curry is of course *very* popular from our sub continent
> immigrants. Pizza and pasta are everywhere, as is cantonese food.
> French and Italian abound with varying authenticity and a few
> Texmex have turned up in the last couple of years.
Thai and Japanese are also appearing a lot more. What is missing IMO are
good latin american restaurants. Maybe not a big surprise given the
demographics.
> But when you go out for a meal in a typical (non chain) good
> restaurant it wont be any of this and its hard to pin down a
> definition.
> Carol went to a formal "do" last night. (Loyal toast and
> everything) This was served (I don't think its untypical of a
> nice meal in UK) :-
>
> Smoked salmon, leek ribbons and citrus butter
>
> Gloucester Old Spot Pork chops, caramelised pear and roquefort
> butter - bubble and Squeak - baby carrots and mange tout
Oh- bubble and squeak- haven't had that for ages. Or toad in the hole.
> Brandy baked nectarines
> Lemon syllabub
>
> Coffee cheese port
Sounds delicious.
David
--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to Earl Evleth
>
> >I must admit that I do not know what is typical "British food".
> >I think roasted meats would do well, like a roast beef rolled
> >out on a cart and a slice cut off on the spot. Simpson`s
> >on the Strand did this (one had to tip the carver) but I don`t
> >know if carved meats are still served up like that in Britain.
>
> Tip the carver! No Brit would have IMHO.
I've been at other fancy carveries where I didn't tip the carver. I
think the idea of tipping _during_ a meal is distasteful. Simpsons
charge enough that they bloody well shouldn't need to have the carver
tipped separately.
> Simpsons is Britain as
> it was or maybe still is to some people.
I've not had the pleasure of lunch or dinner at Simpsons, but I've had
several breakfast meetings there- it was quite an experience.
> Certainly roast meat
> with simply prepared vegetables are typical of very traditional
> British food and it is available in pubs on Sunday lunchtimes
> almost everywhere, cooked to differing standards and differing
> prices to match. I think lamb and pork are much more popular in
> UK than US?
I'd agree.
> Same for game birds like pheasant?
Yes. You can certainly get game in the US, and for all I know in very
rural areas it might be quite common, but at least in the cities it's
pretty rare. Then again, game doesn't seem to feature on UK menus as
much as it used to.
> I suppose meat pies, pasties and puddings are all traditional
> english food. Jellied eels, pie and mash, kippers, haggis, welsh
> rabbit, shepherds pie, potted crab, kedgeree, yorkshire pudding,
> toad in the hole, trifle, fish and chips are traditional fare but
> people eat them much less than they used to and some things like
> jellied eels and pie and mash the vast majority have never tried!
Of course, some foods are quite area specific. At Bury market the two
local specialities seem to be black pudding (very fine, and large
variety) and also a snack of steamed new potatoes. The lattter is very
simple obviously, but surprisingly delicious with a bit of salt.
> Offal I think is characteristic, liver and kidneys etc.
Yes. Again, I don't think this is eaten as much as it used to be.
> Curry is of course *very* popular from our sub continent
> immigrants. Pizza and pasta are everywhere, as is cantonese food.
> French and Italian abound with varying authenticity and a few
> Texmex have turned up in the last couple of years.
Thai and Japanese are also appearing a lot more. What is missing IMO are
good latin american restaurants. Maybe not a big surprise given the
demographics.
> But when you go out for a meal in a typical (non chain) good
> restaurant it wont be any of this and its hard to pin down a
> definition.
> Carol went to a formal "do" last night. (Loyal toast and
> everything) This was served (I don't think its untypical of a
> nice meal in UK) :-
>
> Smoked salmon, leek ribbons and citrus butter
>
> Gloucester Old Spot Pork chops, caramelised pear and roquefort
> butter - bubble and Squeak - baby carrots and mange tout
Oh- bubble and squeak- haven't had that for ages. Or toad in the hole.
> Brandy baked nectarines
> Lemon syllabub
>
> Coffee cheese port
Sounds delicious.
David
--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Dec 10th 2003, 5:10 am
#53
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Following up to David Horne
>> Offal I think is characteristic, liver and kidneys etc.
>Yes. Again, I don't think this is eaten as much as it used to be.
Seems to be on the up here in London, may just be a fashion. You
can always tell whatsc trendy in London, you cant always tell
what will stick.
>> Curry is of course *very* popular from our sub continent
>> immigrants. Pizza and pasta are everywhere, as is cantonese food.
>> French and Italian abound with varying authenticity and a few
>> Texmex have turned up in the last couple of years.
>Thai and Japanese are also appearing a lot more. What is missing IMO are
>good latin american restaurants. Maybe not a big surprise given the
>demographics.
But arent the Japanese expensive? I only know one good south
american restaurant "Gaucho".
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>> Offal I think is characteristic, liver and kidneys etc.
>Yes. Again, I don't think this is eaten as much as it used to be.
Seems to be on the up here in London, may just be a fashion. You
can always tell whatsc trendy in London, you cant always tell
what will stick.
>> Curry is of course *very* popular from our sub continent
>> immigrants. Pizza and pasta are everywhere, as is cantonese food.
>> French and Italian abound with varying authenticity and a few
>> Texmex have turned up in the last couple of years.
>Thai and Japanese are also appearing a lot more. What is missing IMO are
>good latin american restaurants. Maybe not a big surprise given the
>demographics.
But arent the Japanese expensive? I only know one good south
american restaurant "Gaucho".
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Dec 10th 2003, 5:22 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> But arent the Japanese expensive?
Yes, but it usually doesn't get _too_ expensive. They tend to be cheaper
in the US, but that's not a surprise.
> I only know one good south
> american restaurant "Gaucho".
There's one in Liverpool (I won't mention it) and it's not very good at
all. Served _unripe_ mango too- yuck!
David
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> But arent the Japanese expensive?
Yes, but it usually doesn't get _too_ expensive. They tend to be cheaper
in the US, but that's not a surprise.
> I only know one good south
> american restaurant "Gaucho".
There's one in Liverpool (I won't mention it) and it's not very good at
all. Served _unripe_ mango too- yuck!
David
--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Dec 10th 2003, 5:27 am
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Keith M <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is one particular time in Casablanca, Morocco, where we were
> really tired and really hungry after a day of travelling and
> eventually ended up in our hotel room. It was not quite late enough
> for the normal dinner hour, and the particular area had no cafes etc
> closeby. We had no particular desire to go hunting for food, anyways.
> In looking at the yellow pages, damned if there wasn't a Pizza Hut
> listed under Pizza. I called them up, preparing to use my VERY
> limited knowledge of French, but there was someone there who spoke
> English. 20 minutes later, a hot fresh New Yorker Pepperoni pizza was
> delivered, with a 2-liter bottle of Coke, with a knock on the door. I
> have to admit that we couldn't have been happier!!
That particular Pizza Hut has been my salvation as well. After several
dry-season months in sub-Saharan west Africa where the only fresh vegetable
you can expect to see is a yam, we flew from Dakar to Casablanca and
descended on the Pizza Hut salad bar like a pack of locusts. Whodathunk an
American fast food chain would be an oasis of nutrition?
Though, admittedly, it's not hard to come by vegetables in Morocco (very
rarely served uncooked), but that was the most intense fix we could find.
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> There is one particular time in Casablanca, Morocco, where we were
> really tired and really hungry after a day of travelling and
> eventually ended up in our hotel room. It was not quite late enough
> for the normal dinner hour, and the particular area had no cafes etc
> closeby. We had no particular desire to go hunting for food, anyways.
> In looking at the yellow pages, damned if there wasn't a Pizza Hut
> listed under Pizza. I called them up, preparing to use my VERY
> limited knowledge of French, but there was someone there who spoke
> English. 20 minutes later, a hot fresh New Yorker Pepperoni pizza was
> delivered, with a 2-liter bottle of Coke, with a knock on the door. I
> have to admit that we couldn't have been happier!!
That particular Pizza Hut has been my salvation as well. After several
dry-season months in sub-Saharan west Africa where the only fresh vegetable
you can expect to see is a yam, we flew from Dakar to Casablanca and
descended on the Pizza Hut salad bar like a pack of locusts. Whodathunk an
American fast food chain would be an oasis of nutrition?
Though, admittedly, it's not hard to come by vegetables in Morocco (very
rarely served uncooked), but that was the most intense fix we could find.
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Dec 10th 2003, 5:37 am
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David Horne writes:
> That's a hackneyed joke used for lots of different
> countries.
It was curriculum in the case of the English; it only became a joke for
other nationalities.
> Last time I read it, in English, it was about Poland.
I didn't think that Poland had tourists, although they do have tourists
that they send to other countries, in buses that arrive full and leave
half-empty.
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> That's a hackneyed joke used for lots of different
> countries.
It was curriculum in the case of the English; it only became a joke for
other nationalities.
> Last time I read it, in English, it was about Poland.
I didn't think that Poland had tourists, although they do have tourists
that they send to other countries, in buses that arrive full and leave
half-empty.
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Dec 10th 2003, 5:38 am
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Earl Evleth writes:
> With the Tour d'Argent always having had stars, one wonders.
It has always had chefs. Isn't Claude Terrail still there?
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> With the Tour d'Argent always having had stars, one wonders.
It has always had chefs. Isn't Claude Terrail still there?
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Dec 10th 2003, 5:51 am
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Earl Evleth writes:
> It has been around since WWI, so has built up a supply
> of older books.
Oh dear ... not a good sign for high-tech research.
> The nice thing is that you can go through the stacks,
> which is not always the case in a French library!
Really?? How do French libraries work? I've never been in a French
library--I stopped going to the library when I moved to France.
> I don`t know what you need to research on but my feeling
> is that it would not be a good research tool for most
> academic research. It is more like a city library in the
> US, not an academic library.
I'll cross it off the list, then.
> Both KFC and McDonalds are pork free so that is not
> a problem.
Chickens are not always raised, slaughtered, or processed under the most
ideal conditions.
> The quality seem to be better at the place Italy, however,
> I have bought at both places.
I've only bought chicken nuggets (I don't like bones), and the lines are
daunting.
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> It has been around since WWI, so has built up a supply
> of older books.
Oh dear ... not a good sign for high-tech research.
> The nice thing is that you can go through the stacks,
> which is not always the case in a French library!
Really?? How do French libraries work? I've never been in a French
library--I stopped going to the library when I moved to France.
> I don`t know what you need to research on but my feeling
> is that it would not be a good research tool for most
> academic research. It is more like a city library in the
> US, not an academic library.
I'll cross it off the list, then.
> Both KFC and McDonalds are pork free so that is not
> a problem.
Chickens are not always raised, slaughtered, or processed under the most
ideal conditions.
> The quality seem to be better at the place Italy, however,
> I have bought at both places.
I've only bought chicken nuggets (I don't like bones), and the lines are
daunting.
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Dec 10th 2003, 5:52 am
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Richard writes:
> Just curious, in Paris, do they call themselves KFC or PFK?
KFC is a trademark, so that's what they are called in France.
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> Just curious, in Paris, do they call themselves KFC or PFK?
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Dec 10th 2003, 5:57 am
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Keith M writes:
> Well, there is something to be said about the familiarity and comfort
> factor of eating US fast food overseas. First, you know whats on the
> menu, "Big Mac" is usually "Big Mac", or something close enough. This
> is in contrast to having to decode/translate everything you see. The
> product is surprisingly consistent, even given local sources for meat,
> cheese, etc. There's also the nifty-factor, very common experience,
> but different in only select but interesting ways. Someone there
> usually has a working knowledge of English, if not the entire staff.
This is why I routinely eat at McDonalds when I'm forced to travel. I
recall McDonalds in Vienna, London, Oslo, Geneva, Vevey, Grenoble,
Lyons, Marseilles, Amsterdam, Cologne, Nice, and so on. I have a sixth
sense that directs me to them. No need to eat weird stuff, no need to
speak the local language.
> With all this being said, one of the main reasons why I travel is to
> immerse myself into another culture, their food, their language, their
> customs, etc. I make an attempt to use their language, to try their
> specialities, and look for authentic and real experiences. It would
> certainly be sacrilege to not eat local food!! The Pigeon Pie in Fes
> was great!
People travel for different reasons. Many are interested in the sights
and sounds, but are still wary of "foreign" things in certain key
domains, such as food, hygiene, and religion. So I've had clients from
the U.S. in Paris who want McDonalds or T.G.I. Friday's, and fret over
toilet paper and Sanisettes, and want to know where they can find an
English-speaking Catholic church. But they are very interested in other
aspects of the local culture, just the same. They'll look at the Louvre
all day, but they still feel comfy only with a hamburger and fries at
mealtime.
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> Well, there is something to be said about the familiarity and comfort
> factor of eating US fast food overseas. First, you know whats on the
> menu, "Big Mac" is usually "Big Mac", or something close enough. This
> is in contrast to having to decode/translate everything you see. The
> product is surprisingly consistent, even given local sources for meat,
> cheese, etc. There's also the nifty-factor, very common experience,
> but different in only select but interesting ways. Someone there
> usually has a working knowledge of English, if not the entire staff.
This is why I routinely eat at McDonalds when I'm forced to travel. I
recall McDonalds in Vienna, London, Oslo, Geneva, Vevey, Grenoble,
Lyons, Marseilles, Amsterdam, Cologne, Nice, and so on. I have a sixth
sense that directs me to them. No need to eat weird stuff, no need to
speak the local language.
> With all this being said, one of the main reasons why I travel is to
> immerse myself into another culture, their food, their language, their
> customs, etc. I make an attempt to use their language, to try their
> specialities, and look for authentic and real experiences. It would
> certainly be sacrilege to not eat local food!! The Pigeon Pie in Fes
> was great!
People travel for different reasons. Many are interested in the sights
and sounds, but are still wary of "foreign" things in certain key
domains, such as food, hygiene, and religion. So I've had clients from
the U.S. in Paris who want McDonalds or T.G.I. Friday's, and fret over
toilet paper and Sanisettes, and want to know where they can find an
English-speaking Catholic church. But they are very interested in other
aspects of the local culture, just the same. They'll look at the Louvre
all day, but they still feel comfy only with a hamburger and fries at
mealtime.
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