Air Berlin Feedback
Aug 15th 2004, 5:30 am
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
"Martin Stock" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:cfnd23$hvq$1@phys-> I don't want to be a nitpicker but for instance
> Nürnberg should be spelled
> > as Nuremberg. For the other two city names the "ue" spelling will do.
> > However, just plain "u" is much more commonly used and simple.
> No. Not with German. Nuernberg is the correct form in German if umlauts
are
> not possible.
Perhaps so but German language has not been a topic here.
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> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:cfnd23$hvq$1@phys-> I don't want to be a nitpicker but for instance
> Nürnberg should be spelled
> > as Nuremberg. For the other two city names the "ue" spelling will do.
> > However, just plain "u" is much more commonly used and simple.
> No. Not with German. Nuernberg is the correct form in German if umlauts
are
> not possible.
Perhaps so but German language has not been a topic here.
Aug 15th 2004, 5:42 am
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
"Wolfgang Schwanke" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> > Münster, Osnabrück and Nürnberg.
> >>
> >> Hey, Groenroos, I have better things to do than look up the codes for
> >> characters that I rarely use. And the way I spelled the names of
> >> these cities is perfectly acceptable.
> >>
> > I don't want to be a nitpicker but for instance Nürnberg should be
> > spelled as Nuremberg. For the other two city names the "ue" spelling
> > will do.
> Nuremberg is the English and French name of the city. If you wish to
Well.......
> write the German name, but are unable to use umlauts for some reason,
> "Nuernberg" is acceptable.
In *German speaking* texts this is the convention. However, the thread
develops in English (as usual).
> > However, just plain "u" is much more commonly used and
> > simple.
> Strictly speaking that would be considered a misspelling in German, you
> should use either ü or ue. Foreigners tend to consider the dots as funny
> decorations with no purpose, so they are exempted. :)
German language and it's oddities has not been an issue here. The original
text (including the names of three German towns) is written in English.
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> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> > Münster, Osnabrück and Nürnberg.
> >>
> >> Hey, Groenroos, I have better things to do than look up the codes for
> >> characters that I rarely use. And the way I spelled the names of
> >> these cities is perfectly acceptable.
> >>
> > I don't want to be a nitpicker but for instance Nürnberg should be
> > spelled as Nuremberg. For the other two city names the "ue" spelling
> > will do.
> Nuremberg is the English and French name of the city. If you wish to
Well.......
> write the German name, but are unable to use umlauts for some reason,
> "Nuernberg" is acceptable.
In *German speaking* texts this is the convention. However, the thread
develops in English (as usual).
> > However, just plain "u" is much more commonly used and
> > simple.
> Strictly speaking that would be considered a misspelling in German, you
> should use either ü or ue. Foreigners tend to consider the dots as funny
> decorations with no purpose, so they are exempted. :)
German language and it's oddities has not been an issue here. The original
text (including the names of three German towns) is written in English.
Aug 15th 2004, 8:07 am
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
Originally Posted by Aramis
I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca) jaunt. I
know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, Thanks,
know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, Thanks,
Aug 15th 2004, 7:28 pm
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:07:18 +0000, The Don
<member3280@british_expats.com> wrote:
>> I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
>> jaunt. I
>> know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
>> whole
>> and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
>> whom I
>> get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
>> Thanks,
>Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
Do you refer to the near miss between an Al Italia plane ad one of Air
Berlin's over Geneva?
<member3280@british_expats.com> wrote:
>> I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
>> jaunt. I
>> know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
>> whole
>> and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
>> whom I
>> get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
>> Thanks,
>Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
Do you refer to the near miss between an Al Italia plane ad one of Air
Berlin's over Geneva?
Aug 15th 2004, 10:12 pm
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At least they had never lost a plane or had any other fatalities due an
accident in the last 25 years.
The airline is among the safest on the planet.
http://www.jacdec.de/A_1.htm
"The Don" <member3280@british_expats.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected] m...
> > I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
> > jaunt. I
> > know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
> > whole
> > and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
> > whom I
> > get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
> >
> > Thanks,
> Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
accident in the last 25 years.
The airline is among the safest on the planet.
http://www.jacdec.de/A_1.htm
"The Don" <member3280@british_expats.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected] m...
> > I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
> > jaunt. I
> > know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
> > whole
> > and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
> > whom I
> > get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
> >
> > Thanks,
> Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Aug 16th 2004, 3:50 am
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Martin Stock wrote:
> At least they had never lost a plane or had any other fatalities due an
> accident in the last 25 years.
> The airline is among the safest on the planet.
> http://www.jacdec.de/A_1.htm
Maybe he's confusing them with Hapag Lloyd. (hull loss following fuel
starvation and crash landing, Vienna 2000)
T.
>
>
> "The Don" <member3280@british_expats.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:[email protected] m...
>
>>>I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
>>>jaunt. I
>>>know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
>>>whole
>>>and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
>>>whom I
>>>get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
>>>Thanks,
>>Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
>>--
>>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
>
>
> At least they had never lost a plane or had any other fatalities due an
> accident in the last 25 years.
> The airline is among the safest on the planet.
> http://www.jacdec.de/A_1.htm
Maybe he's confusing them with Hapag Lloyd. (hull loss following fuel
starvation and crash landing, Vienna 2000)
T.
>
>
> "The Don" <member3280@british_expats.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:[email protected] m...
>
>>>I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
>>>jaunt. I
>>>know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
>>>whole
>>>and on London routings, in particular. Should I just go with Easyjet,
>>>whom I
>>>get the impression most Europeans prefer over Ryan.
>>>Thanks,
>>Air Berlin are good in an emergency (they get a lot of practice)
>>--
>>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
>
>
Aug 17th 2004, 2:39 am
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
Regards,
Frank
> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
Regards,
Frank
Aug 17th 2004, 4:57 am
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:39:41 +0200, Frank Hucklenbroich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
>> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
>> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
>> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
>Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
>any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
They apparently still do, they must be getting a bit ancient by now.
It seems to have been a West German airline - General Air. The plane
was a YAK 40 it sold well including to West Germany according to my
ancient copy of Jane's World Aircraft Recognition. It had 3 engines in
the tail a bit like a small Trident or a Boeing 727.
<does a bit of googling>
http://www.spinics.net/lists/airline/msg05694.html
and some photos http://www.airevents.de/galeriebelavia.htm
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
>> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
>> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
>> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
>Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
>any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
They apparently still do, they must be getting a bit ancient by now.
It seems to have been a West German airline - General Air. The plane
was a YAK 40 it sold well including to West Germany according to my
ancient copy of Jane's World Aircraft Recognition. It had 3 engines in
the tail a bit like a small Trident or a Boeing 727.
<does a bit of googling>
http://www.spinics.net/lists/airline/msg05694.html
and some photos http://www.airevents.de/galeriebelavia.htm
Aug 17th 2004, 10:55 am
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Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
> Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
> > What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> > by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> > Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
> Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
> any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
I vaguely remember seeing something about just such an airline in the early
*90's* - it was reportedly the first time Yak's were sold/leased to any
Western carrier....apparently the venture came to naught.
The basic problem with Russian aircraft is that production is so very low
that each plane is virtually a "one - off", meaning that providing decent
maintenance and spares is well - nigh impossible. And of the course the
older models are noisy fuel guzzlers, most of which are or will be banned in
EU airspace because of the noise issues.
--
Best
Greg
> Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
> > What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> > by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> > Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
> Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
> any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
I vaguely remember seeing something about just such an airline in the early
*90's* - it was reportedly the first time Yak's were sold/leased to any
Western carrier....apparently the venture came to naught.
The basic problem with Russian aircraft is that production is so very low
that each plane is virtually a "one - off", meaning that providing decent
maintenance and spares is well - nigh impossible. And of the course the
older models are noisy fuel guzzlers, most of which are or will be banned in
EU airspace because of the noise issues.
--
Best
Greg
Aug 17th 2004, 6:41 pm
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:55:01 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
>> Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
>> > What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
>> > by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
>> > Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
>> Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
>> any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
>I vaguely remember seeing something about just such an airline in the early
>*90's* - it was reportedly the first time Yak's were sold/leased to any
>Western carrier....apparently the venture came to naught.
It seems you are wrong.
>The basic problem with Russian aircraft is that production is so very low
>that each plane is virtually a "one - off", meaning that providing decent
>maintenance and spares is well - nigh impossible.
That sounds like rubbish, there were 900 YAK 40s built, some are still
flying in West Germany. The same standards of safety apply to all
civilian aircraft irrespective of place of manufacture.
> And of the course the
>older models are noisy fuel guzzlers, most of which are or will be banned in
>EU airspace because of the noise issues.
ditto many US and UK built planes.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
>> Am Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:21:46 +0200 schrieb [email protected]:
>> > What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
>> > by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
>> > Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
>> Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
>> any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
>I vaguely remember seeing something about just such an airline in the early
>*90's* - it was reportedly the first time Yak's were sold/leased to any
>Western carrier....apparently the venture came to naught.
It seems you are wrong.
>The basic problem with Russian aircraft is that production is so very low
>that each plane is virtually a "one - off", meaning that providing decent
>maintenance and spares is well - nigh impossible.
That sounds like rubbish, there were 900 YAK 40s built, some are still
flying in West Germany. The same standards of safety apply to all
civilian aircraft irrespective of place of manufacture.
> And of the course the
>older models are noisy fuel guzzlers, most of which are or will be banned in
>EU airspace because of the noise issues.
ditto many US and UK built planes.
Aug 17th 2004, 9:47 pm
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Yaks to Germany (scheduled) (was: Air Berlin Feedback)
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> >> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> >> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> >> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
> >
> >Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
> >any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
>
> They apparently still do, they must be getting a bit ancient by now.
> It seems to have been a West German airline - General Air. The plane
> was a YAK 40 it sold well including to West Germany according to my
> ancient copy of Jane's World Aircraft Recognition. It had 3 engines in
> the tail a bit like a small Trident or a Boeing 727.
Yaks to Germany? Well, Domodedovo airlines and maybe Enkor (at least) do
operate Yak-42 into Germany.
Regards, ULF
-> rta
> >> What was the name of the German internal airline that was part owned
> >> by a brewery and flew three engined Russian Yaks from Munich to
> >> Saarbrucken (edit in your own umlauts)?
> >
> >Russian Yaks in Germany in the 70ies? Maybe "Interflug" of East-Germany by
> >any chance? Didn't know they flew in the West, though ;-)
>
> They apparently still do, they must be getting a bit ancient by now.
> It seems to have been a West German airline - General Air. The plane
> was a YAK 40 it sold well including to West Germany according to my
> ancient copy of Jane's World Aircraft Recognition. It had 3 engines in
> the tail a bit like a small Trident or a Boeing 727.
Yaks to Germany? Well, Domodedovo airlines and maybe Enkor (at least) do
operate Yak-42 into Germany.
Regards, ULF
-> rta
Aug 19th 2004, 4:55 am
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Re: Air Berlin Feedback
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Sjoerd) wrote:
>
> "Aramis" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected] gers.com...
> > I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
> > jaunt.
> I
> > know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
> > whole
>
> I flew them from Muenster Osnabrueck to Mallorca and back from
> Mallorca via
> Nuernberg to Muenster Osnabrueck last year. It is a fine airline.
I've only used them once (Berlin->London) and they struck me, too, as fine
- comparable prices to Ryan/Easy but more of the feel of an old
"full-service" airline. I'd certainly choose them again.
[email protected] (Sjoerd) wrote:
>
> "Aramis" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected] gers.com...
> > I am thinking of using Air Berlin for a London to Spain (Mallorca)
> > jaunt.
> I
> > know nothing about them. Can anyone fill me in their operation, as a
> > whole
>
> I flew them from Muenster Osnabrueck to Mallorca and back from
> Mallorca via
> Nuernberg to Muenster Osnabrueck last year. It is a fine airline.
I've only used them once (Berlin->London) and they struck me, too, as fine
- comparable prices to Ryan/Easy but more of the feel of an old
"full-service" airline. I'd certainly choose them again.
