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Old Jun 29th 2003, 3:06 pm
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Big Jimbo
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Hello,

I am thinking of coming from the States this fall to Spain for a 7-8 day
trip. I have early/mid Oct to travel or Late Nov. (over American
Thanksgiving). Questions are:

1.) What time frame would you recommend is best - early Oct. or late Nov?

2.) Considering the time I have, what Itinerary would you recommend?
(Barcelona, Madrid,
Toledo, Gibraltar, etc...).

This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona,
and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of traveling for 7 days. Any
advice? Thanks in Advance.
 
Old Jun 29th 2003, 4:27 pm
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Bernard T Higonnet
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Big Jimbo wrote:

    > 1.) What time frame would you recommend is best - early Oct. or late Nov?

Hordes of fellow-tourists will be gone in both periods but I would
prefer early October as it would be warmer

    > This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
    > Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona,
    > and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of traveling for 7 days.

It is. Almost anything you do would be fine and interesting. If you can
fly into one and out the other, Lisbon to Madrid or vice versa would be
my personal favorite if you intend to rent a car. If going by train or
plane I would reccommend two cities and leave it at that.

If going by car, make an effort to stay in the Spanish government hotels
which are out of sight: http://www.parador.es/english/index.jsp and in
Portugal the equivalent is http://www.pousadasofportugal.com/

Bernard Higonnet
 
Old Jun 29th 2003, 5:36 pm
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Miguel Cruz
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Big Jimbo wrote:
    > This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
    > Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona, and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of
    > traveling for 7 days. Any advice?

Seems like a lot to me, too, but that just goes to confirm one more time
that Rick Steves is a vicious sociopath whose main goal is to grind down the
spirits of American travelers to Europe. A lot of people don't know this,
but the reason he's in Europe all the time is because he's on the lam from
the law in the USA, where he's wanted for the deaths of an entire busload of
Canadian tourists. In one day he forced them to climb to the bottom of the
Grand Canyon, play 8 hours of nickel slots in Las Vegas, ride every roller
coaster at Disneyland, and then push the bus up Highway 1 to San Francisco.

Basically that itinerary is enough time to figure out where the train
station and your hotel are in each city, then check out and move on.

miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
 
Old Jun 29th 2003, 10:08 pm
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Following up to Big Jimbo

    >I am thinking of coming from the States this fall to Spain for a 7-8 day
    >trip. I have early/mid Oct to travel or Late Nov. (over American
    >Thanksgiving). Questions are:
    >1.) What time frame would you recommend is best - early Oct. or late Nov?

October

    >This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
    >Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona,
    >and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of traveling for 7 days. Any
    >advice? Thanks in Advance.

It is too much travelling and it misses Andalucia, which is what Spain
*is* to many. If that writer doesnt think Andalucia is important throw
the book away! Forget Lisbon for this trip unless you want to tick it
off and stick to one country/language. I would suggest doing some more
reading before forming a shortlist. Have you any particular interests?
If food is one have a look at my website below which might give you
some ideas. As your flying to Madrid(?) you could do Madrid, Sagovia,
Seville as one suggestion.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale,landscape photos,freeware,London & the Thames path etc. "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 1:22 am
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Brahmama
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Miguel Cruz,
You post confirms my previous opinion of you as a wicked-albeit witty-
man. But I did laugh out loud at the Canadian busload fantasy, I must
admit. However you didn't post anything helpful at all, and you
usually have some pithy and helpful stuff. Shame!

Big Jimbo,
I won't be much help either. But we just had a trip cancelled and find
ourselves in about the same predictament - we will be in Barcelona and
have about 9 extra days! Tough, huh? I suggest the website of:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/travelspain/ as it just deals with
Spain.

This is what we're planning for last of October -(still tentative) -
may give you an idea or two.
We're flying from Barcelona to Seville. (Cheaper and faster than the
train) Going to try to find a good rate for a week of rental car (even
though we don't need it but about 4-5 days)
2 nights in Sevilla. A few hours in Jerez so we can see the great
Adulusian horse show. Then somewhere (Ronda?) where we can drive in to
meet our guide to take us from Spain to Tangier for a day and a night.
A night or 2 in one of the hill towns (Ronda?) (Arcos?)
Granada for 2 nights
Flying back to Barcelona and 2 nights there.
It's all cut and dried except for the Jerez to Granada where we will
just kind of play it by ear.
So much to see, so little time, but make the most of what you have!
you will find people on this board who will flame you indignantly and
self-righteously about spending MORE time and then coming back.

Well, my opinion is that SURE, we would love to come back, but life IS
uncertain and I choose to travel like a buffet. Sample all you can,
and then if you DO have time, come back to the places you enjoyed the
most. We're in our 60's - not as wealthy as most of the people on here
seem to be, and just feel tremendously lucky every time we are able to
plan a trip anywhere for any length of time! Mainly, just go, enjoy
where you are and how it's different from home (or you might as well
stay home!) and make some new friends, learn about some new cultures,
get out of your comfort zone a little, try something new and have fun!

Carol

[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message news:...
    > Big Jimbo wrote:
    > > This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
    > > Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona, and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of
    > > traveling for 7 days. Any advice?
    >
    > Seems like a lot to me, too, but that just goes to confirm one more time
    > that Rick Steves is a vicious sociopath whose main goal is to grind down the
    > spirits of American travelers to Europe. A lot of people don't know this,
    > but the reason he's in Europe all the time is because he's on the lam from
    > the law in the USA, where he's wanted for the deaths of an entire busload of
    > Canadian tourists. In one day he forced them to climb to the bottom of the
    > Grand Canyon, play 8 hours of nickel slots in Las Vegas, ride every roller
    > coaster at Disneyland, and then push the bus up Highway 1 to San Francisco.
    >
    > Basically that itinerary is enough time to figure out where the train
    > station and your hotel are in each city, then check out and move on.
    >
    > miguel
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 1:27 am
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Brahmama
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Mike Reid,
Great website for Spain! Can't walk that much anymore, but some very
nice ideas and info. Thanks for posting it. I'll enjoy reading all the
way through it.
Carol

The Reid wrote in message news:...
    > Following up to Big Jimbo
    >
    > >I am thinking of coming from the States this fall to Spain for a 7-8 day
    > >trip. I have early/mid Oct to travel or Late Nov. (over American
    > >Thanksgiving). Questions are:
    > >
    > >1.) What time frame would you recommend is best - early Oct. or late Nov?
    >
    > October
    >
    > >This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going to
    > >Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona,
    > >and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of traveling for 7 days. Any
    > >advice? Thanks in Advance.
    >
    > It is too much travelling and it misses Andalucia, which is what Spain
    > *is* to many. If that writer doesnt think Andalucia is important throw
    > the book away! Forget Lisbon for this trip unless you want to tick it
    > off and stick to one country/language. I would suggest doing some more
    > reading before forming a shortlist. Have you any particular interests?
    > If food is one have a look at my website below which might give you
    > some ideas. As your flying to Madrid(?) you could do Madrid, Sagovia,
    > Seville as one suggestion.
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 1:37 am
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"Miguel Cruz" skrev i meddelandet
news:t%[email protected]...
    > Big Jimbo wrote:
    > > This would be my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book recommends going
to
    > > Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona, and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot
of
    > > traveling for 7 days. Any advice?
    > Seems like a lot to me, too, but that just goes to confirm one more time
    > that Rick Steves is a vicious sociopath whose main goal is to grind down
the
    > spirits of American travelers to Europe. A lot of people don't know this,
    > but the reason he's in Europe all the time is because he's on the lam from
    > the law in the USA, where he's wanted for the deaths of an entire busload
of
    > Canadian tourists. In one day he forced them to climb to the bottom of the
    > Grand Canyon, play 8 hours of nickel slots in Las Vegas, ride every roller
    > coaster at Disneyland, and then push the bus up Highway 1 to San
Francisco.
    > Basically that itinerary is enough time to figure out where the train
    > station and your hotel are in each city, then check out and move on.
    > miguel
Sounds like a trip in my taste as I like fast travelling and to be on a
train :-)
So let's see: Toledo is probably a nice excursion from Madrid being only
little more than an hour away by train , so no need to stay in Toledo.
Day 1: arr to Barcelona
2: in Barcelona
3: by train to Madrid dep 8:30 arr. 15:01 evening in Madrid
4: excursion to Toledo
5: in Madrid , dep by night train 22:45
6: arr Lisboa 8:15 the day in Lisboa
7: in Lisboa, leaving ??
Sounds real compact but if don't have more time and still want to see them
all ?
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 1:52 am
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Big Jimbo
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I keep leaning toward Barcelona....
with day trips along the coast, Monseratt, Girona, etc in between.
what do you think? ie vs. going to Madrid, Toledo, Seville, etc....

I have never traveled to Spain so I really am not sure what region to
hit being a first timer.
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 2:23 am
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Following up to Brahmama

    >Mike Reid,
    >Great website for Spain! Can't walk that much anymore, but some very
    >nice ideas and info. Thanks for posting it. I'll enjoy reading all the
    >way through it.

Thanks, your welcome!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale,landscape photos,freeware,London & the Thames path etc. "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 2:43 am
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    >...7-8 day...early/mid Oct to travel or Late Nov.
    > 1.) What time frame would you recommend is best - early Oct. or late Nov?
The difference between north and south is quite great. In late
November the north can be pretty cold, while the south is still very
nice. However, in early October the north will be having a very pretty
fall, but it will still be pretty warm (but not hot) in the south.
During this timeframe, I wouldn't expect Madrid (central Spain) to be
too hot or too cold.


    >...my first time to Spain. Rick Steves Book...Madrid, Toledo,
Barcelona, and Lisbon in a 7 day trip. Seems like a lot of traveling
for 7 days.

*I* wouldn't do all that in seven days (especially go to Lisbon). On
the other hand, seven days split between Madrid and Barcelona (Toledo
is an easy day trip from Madrid) is doable. You probably won't have
time to visit both cities *and* get off the main train lines. Madrid
itself is not a beautiful city, but nightlifers like the nightlife,
and there are lots of great days trips in the area. Myself, I'd
probably do something like this:

Day One: ARR Madrid (morning); visit Prado, Plaza Mayor, Madrid
(afternoon)
Day Two: Toledo (half day); maybe El Escorial (late afternoon); Madrid
(evening)
Day Three: Segovia (all day); Madrid (evening)
Day Four: Train or bus to Barcelona; Barcelona (evening)
Days Five-Seven: Barcelona

What you do in Barcelona will depend on your tastes and interests.
Many people consider Barcelona to be a pleasant, cultured kind of
place, more European than Spanish, great cuisine, modern architecture,
etc., though myself, I'd prefer to maybe spend one day in Barcelona
city and the rest of the time visiting outlying areas like Figueres
(Dali Museum) or Besalu or Castellfullit de la Roca (medieval
architecture) or walking in the Olot country. The north coast is
pretty, but it's not served by trains and has only limited bus service
during the off season.

And one could certainly spend the entire week in either Madrid or
Barcelona and have a couple of days in the city and the rest of the
days doing trips.
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 3:13 am
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Following up to Big Jimbo

    >I have never traveled to Spain so I really am not sure what region to
    >hit being a first timer.

Andalucia is where flamenco is, with the gypsy influences.
Castille is more serious.
The north "green Spain" is different again, with a celtic feel
sometimes. Does seeing the Alhambra interest you? (Granada).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale,landscape photos,freeware,London & the Thames path etc. "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 3:13 am
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The Reid
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Following up to Big Jimbo

    > I keep leaning toward Barcelona....
    >with day trips along the coast, Monseratt, Girona, etc in between.
    >what do you think? ie vs. going to Madrid, Toledo, Seville, etc....

A lot of that coast is of course dotted with tourist developments.
I always gravitiate towards Andalucia. First trip I think you should
maybe visit two regions so you get a feel for what you are going to
like?

--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale,landscape photos,freeware,London & the Thames path etc. "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 5:23 am
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Barbara Vaughan
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Lennart Petersen wrote:
    >
[snip]

    > So let's see: Toledo is probably a nice excursion from Madrid being only
    > little more than an hour away by train , so no need to stay in Toledo.
    > Day 1: arr to Barcelona
    > 2: in Barcelona
    > 3: by train to Madrid dep 8:30 arr. 15:01 evening in Madrid
    > 4: excursion to Toledo
    > 5: in Madrid , dep by night train 22:45
    > 6: arr Lisboa 8:15 the day in Lisboa
    > 7: in Lisboa, leaving ??
    > Sounds real compact but if don't have more time and still want to see them
    > all ?

Toledo is certainly an easy excursion from Madrid. However, I spent two
days there several years ago and felt as though it wasn't enough time.
There is really a lot to see there, and it's really a charming city.

Barbara
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 11:06 am
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Thanks for the advice everyone. Still undecided which area's to hit, but I
will
do more research. Thanks
 
Old Jun 30th 2003, 12:56 pm
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"Big Jimbo" wrote in message news:...
    > Thanks for the advice everyone. I keep leaning toward Barcelona....
    > with day trips along the coast, Monseratt, Girona, etc in between.
    > what do you think? ie vs. going to Madrid, Toledo, Seville, etc....
    >
    > I have never traveled to Spain so I really am not sure what region to
    > hit being a first timer.


Check this out..... www.travelstops.net. I've found some really
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