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4p/minute international telephone calls from the UK

Old Oct 23rd 2004, 9:47 am
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn
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<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:12:50 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >[]
    > >
    > >> from a mobile phone it costs a euro a minute to call NL from UK.
    > >
    > >I didn't realise that "a mobile phone" had universal pricing!
    > >
    > >I pay 1p a minute max from my mobile phone in the UK to call the
    > >Netherlands, it's "free" (i.e. inclusive) offpeak. If I was _roaming_ in
    > >the NL, then yes, I'd pay around a euro to call the UK. Maybe that's
    > >what you meant? Some UK mobiles probably cost that much too from the UK
    > >to NL- that's why you shop around.
    >
    > It costs us a euro a minute from a KPN land line phone in NL to call a
    > prepay mobile in UK

It costs more to call mobiles in most countries. Exceptions being places
like the US and Canada where the party being called pays for the
incoming call. From here, I pay 15p a minute to a Netherlands landline.
I'd suggest you're paying too much, and could pay less by using a third
party, calling card or something.

    > and exactly the same amount to call in the other
    > direction.

No. I just told you- it's 15p a minute for me. That's not unusual. Where
are you getting this figure from?

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 9:53 am
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Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > ?On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:12:50 +0100,
    > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
    > besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >[]
    > >> 4p ??? that's 4 times what I pay, okay that's a VOIP line, and twice
    > >> what someone like onetel would charge - what's cheap about it?
    > >
    > >It's cheap for a visitor. When I'm abroad, I certainly don't always have
    > >access to a landline, and UK hotel phones are notoriously expensive as
    > >well.
    >
    > But the question I raised was: Can a visitor use it?

For goodness sake, did you actually read my first post on the subject? I
specifically mentioned "BT Payphone" and laboured the point that "For
someone visiting the UK, the 0870 numbers are a convenient and
inexpensive way of calling abroad" and "this is a good alternative for
visitors" How much more information do you _need_ exactly? Are payphones
in your part of the world restricted to non-visitors?

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 9:53 am
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Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:12:50 +0100,
    > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
    > besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >[]
    > >
    > >> from a mobile phone it costs a euro a minute to call NL from UK.
    > >
    > >I didn't realise that "a mobile phone" had universal pricing!
    > >
    > >I pay 1p a minute max from my mobile phone in the UK to call the
    > >Netherlands, it's "free" (i.e. inclusive) offpeak. If I was _roaming_ in
    > >the NL, then yes, I'd pay around a euro to call the UK. Maybe that's
    > >what you meant? Some UK mobiles probably cost that much too from the UK
    > >to NL- that's why you shop around.
    >
    > None of which is particularly useful to the tourist coming to the
    > UK.

Don't read it then. I addressed the usefulness of 0870 numbers to
_visitors_ in another post.

    > What we need to know in this nesgroup is a cheap way to call
    > between European countries when we do not have a local phone and
    > must use either a payphone or someone else's phone, such as a
    > hotel's.

Use an 0870 number, as I wrote. There are equivalents in other
countries, but in many countries (e.g. Italy and Spain) calling cards
are most likely the cheapest option. Calling cards are discussed here
frequently- and google will have plenty of info. However, there is no
best way for all 'European' countries.

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 9:57 am
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:47:21 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:12:50 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >>
    >> ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >[]
    >> >
    >> >> from a mobile phone it costs a euro a minute to call NL from UK.
    >> >
    >> >I didn't realise that "a mobile phone" had universal pricing!
    >> >
    >> >I pay 1p a minute max from my mobile phone in the UK to call the
    >> >Netherlands, it's "free" (i.e. inclusive) offpeak. If I was _roaming_ in
    >> >the NL, then yes, I'd pay around a euro to call the UK. Maybe that's
    >> >what you meant? Some UK mobiles probably cost that much too from the UK
    >> >to NL- that's why you shop around.
    >>
    >> It costs us a euro a minute from a KPN land line phone in NL to call a
    >> prepay mobile in UK
    >It costs more to call mobiles in most countries. Exceptions being places
    >like the US and Canada where the party being called pays for the
    >incoming call. From here, I pay 15p a minute to a Netherlands landline.
    >I'd suggest you're paying too much, and could pay less by using a third
    >party, calling card or something.
    >> and exactly the same amount to call in the other
    >> direction.
    >No. I just told you- it's 15p a minute for me. That's not unusual. Where
    >are you getting this figure from?

I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
you is not what it costs us, we live in NL. I am telling you what it
costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
phones. If the company is offering 4p a minute and that rate is
applicable to mobile phones too, then it is substantially cheaper than
what we are paying now.
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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:08 am
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<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:47:21 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote:
[]
    > >> and exactly the same amount to call in the other
    > >> direction.
    > >
    > >No. I just told you- it's 15p a minute for me. That's not unusual. Where
    > >are you getting this figure from?
    >
    > I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
    > you is not what it costs us, we live in NL.

I'm pretty sure you could make the calls for less by using a third
party.

However, you're telling me how much it costs _you_ (or rather, your
kids) to call from the UK, and I'm pointing out that this is hardly
universal, as I manifestly pay less.

    > I am telling you what it
    > costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
    > phones.

So, already, you made a not particularly wise choice if call cost was
the issue. Orange pay as you go is 25p a minute to Europe. That's
already a saving. That rate is the same whether to NL landline or
mobile.

    > If the company is offering 4p a minute and that rate is
    > applicable to mobile phones too,

It won't be. Or at least, I've never found an 0870 callthrough which
would place a call to a mobile in a country (where party calling pays
the premium, like NL)

Whether or not it's cheap or not will depend on what kind of phone your
kids will call from. I've already outlined the cost from a BT Payphone
in another post. However, UK phone pricing is complicated. While that
means you get great deals if you shop around, it also means you can get
ripped off. I don't know how much 0870 calls will cost from, say, a
Vodaphone PAYG phone. It's almost certainly cheaper than a euro a minute
though. I suggest you direct a post to uk.telecom.mobile asking which
PAYG company in the UK offers the best rates on 0870.

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:15 am
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<[email protected]> wrote:
    > I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
    > you is not what it costs us, we live in NL. I am telling you what it
    > costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
    > phones.

Don't prepay phones tend to be the most expensive?

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:18 am
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Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:53:42 +0100,
    > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
    > besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > >Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
    > >> None of which is particularly useful to the tourist coming to the
    > >> UK.
    > >
    > >Don't read it then.
    >
    > Tha's a little brusque.

It's meant to be brusque because I addressed your question in my first
post, and you twice (at my count) complained (in so many words) that
your question wasn't being addressed. Yes, maybe you didn't get the
post, but given the relatively short time in this thread, it's worth
waiting a little longer before deciding that someone is not responding
to your question.

    > After all, this is a group for people
    > going TO Europe. And I had to read it to find out is wan's usefl.

Well, maybe _you're_ expecting too much from Usenet, as you say in
another post.

[]
    > My attempts to use calling cards have failed rather miserably;
    > the telcos and hotels seem to be opposed to them and the only
    > palces they seem usable is someone's private phone.

It seems to vary from country to country. I've posted of my own
experiences recently with a Spanish card that didn't work from a
payphone- so I changed it for one that did.

    > >Calling cards are discussed here
    > >frequently- and google will have plenty of info. However, there is no
    > >best way for all 'European' countries.
    >
    > Duh. That's why I didn't ask for "best".

I didn't say you did- it's worth pointing out though.

    > But it would be very nice is someone could compile a list of such
    > numbers for various countries.

Yes. The only one I know of (iceburnmarko had something to do with the
name, but I forget the URL) only had german and UK access numbers. I
wouldn't be surprised if other countries had them, as many of them have
'semi' premium numbers similar to the UK's 0870 rates.

What I might suggest is that when people post travelogues etc., posters
inquire as to how they made phone calls. People certainly seem savvy- I
notice many people using calling cards etc.

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:20 am
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Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
    > > you is not what it costs us, we live in NL. I am telling you what it
    > > costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
    > > phones.
    >
    > Don't prepay phones tend to be the most expensive?

Yes. However, in the UK Orange is something of an exception, in that its
rates for calling abroad are similar (if not exactly the same) to
contract. I wouldn't pay their 'official' rates though, and use various
workarounds. If anyone is interested, google for "uk.telecom.mobile,"
"orange" and "calling cards."

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 5:40 pm
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Yes, so a piece of advice which mobile pre-paid to buy when arriving to UK (let's assume own handset) would be welcome...
JaC


    > After all, this is a group for people going TO Europe.
 
Old Oct 23rd 2004, 8:31 pm
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:08:08 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:47:21 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >>
    >> ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> >> and exactly the same amount to call in the other
    >> >> direction.
    >> >
    >> >No. I just told you- it's 15p a minute for me. That's not unusual. Where
    >> >are you getting this figure from?
    >>
    >> I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
    >> you is not what it costs us, we live in NL.
    >I'm pretty sure you could make the calls for less by using a third
    >party.
    >However, you're telling me how much it costs _you_ (or rather, your
    >kids) to call from the UK, and I'm pointing out that this is hardly
    >universal, as I manifestly pay less.
    >> I am telling you what it
    >> costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
    >> phones.
    >So, already, you made a not particularly wise choice if call cost was
    >the issue. Orange pay as you go is 25p a minute to Europe. That's
    >already a saving. That rate is the same whether to NL landline or
    >mobile.
    >> If the company is offering 4p a minute and that rate is
    >> applicable to mobile phones too,
    >It won't be. Or at least, I've never found an 0870 callthrough which
    >would place a call to a mobile in a country (where party calling pays
    >the premium, like NL)

It's calls from UK mobiles to a Dutch landline phone.

    >Whether or not it's cheap or not will depend on what kind of phone your
    >kids will call from. I've already outlined the cost from a BT Payphone
    >in another post. However, UK phone pricing is complicated. While that
    >means you get great deals if you shop around, it also means you can get
    >ripped off. I don't know how much 0870 calls will cost from, say, a
    >Vodaphone PAYG phone. It's almost certainly cheaper than a euro a minute
    >though. I suggest you direct a post to uk.telecom.mobile asking which
    >PAYG company in the UK offers the best rates on 0870.

thanks, the problem is that the charging rates are deliberately
complicated and constantly changing. The EU is supposed to be taking
action to stop mobile phone rip offs for calls within Europe.
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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 8:32 pm
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:15:13 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I've just been through two months of KPN phone bills. What it costs
    >> you is not what it costs us, we live in NL. I am telling you what it
    >> costs us. Both our student kids living in UK have Vodaphone prepay
    >> phones.
    >Don't prepay phones tend to be the most expensive?

Not for irresponsible kids, it limits the amount they can spend and
the only loss if stolen is the phone and whatever credit is left on
the phone.
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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 8:59 pm
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn" wrote
    | Spam certainly, but not a bad message actually. For someone
    | visiting the UK, the 0870 numbers are a convenient and
    | inexpensive way of calling abroad. ... Downside is that
    | the minimum from the payphone is 30p.

Also, the payphone starts charging as soon as the call-through system
answers, regardless of whether or not you get a connection to the distant
number. If you have a number of short calls to make, it would be wise to
choose a call-through system that allows 'follow on' calls i.e. where you
can terminate one call (usually by pressing * or # during the call) whilst
still being connected to the call-through system and not having to pay
another 30p into the payphone.

The * or # (or whatever) to terminate a call might interfere with telephone
banking or using call centre menus, etc.

The Gov is carrying out a consultation/review on 0845 and 0870 and similar
numbers generally, because although usually advertised as local or national
rate within the UK, they are significantly more expensive than the rate for
ordinary (geographic) calls on standard residential tariff[1]. While this is
not directly relevant to payphones, as the calls cost the same[2], any
reduction in the margin passed to the call-through operators may cause a
shake-up in the market.

Owain

[1] BT Together Option 1 now is the standard residential tariff. The
'standard' call tariff is now only available to businesses.

[2] In fact it is cheaper to use a payphone to call 0870 during the day than
a home phone line, if the call is likely to last longer than about 4 minutes
to cover the 30p minimum charge.
 
Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:19 pm
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666 <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Yes, so a piece of advice which mobile pre-paid to buy when arriving to UK
    > (let's assume own handset) would be welcome... JaC

It's hard to recommend one company over another unless you've an idea of
your calling pattern.

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:19 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > thanks, the problem is that the charging rates are deliberately
    > complicated and constantly changing. The EU is supposed to be taking
    > action to stop mobile phone rip offs for calls within Europe.

I think the specific ongoing EU action refers to roaming costs, which
are indeed very high. I wouldn't expect to see any action taken on how
much a company charges to make domestic calls abroad, as there is plenty
of competition. For example, while I think the payphone is the cheapest
way for your kids to call a Dutch landline, another perhaps more
convenient alternative would be to get them to use a calling card with a
UK landline access number, so they could add the minimal cost of calling
NL onto the PAYG cost of calling the UK landline. The latter will cost
around 75p for the first 5 minutes, and 5p a minute thereafter on many
PAYG plans.

David

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Old Oct 23rd 2004, 10:30 pm
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:19:03 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> thanks, the problem is that the charging rates are deliberately
    >> complicated and constantly changing. The EU is supposed to be taking
    >> action to stop mobile phone rip offs for calls within Europe.
    >I think the specific ongoing EU action refers to roaming costs, which
    >are indeed very high. I wouldn't expect to see any action taken on how
    >much a company charges to make domestic calls abroad, as there is plenty
    >of competition. For example, while I think the payphone is the cheapest
    >way for your kids to call a Dutch landline, another perhaps more
    >convenient alternative would be to get them to use a calling card with a
    >UK landline access number, so they could add the minimal cost of calling
    >NL onto the PAYG cost of calling the UK landline. The latter will cost
    >around 75p for the first 5 minutes, and 5p a minute thereafter on many
    >PAYG plans.

Thanks David.
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