2006 Vacation
Jan 23rd 2006 | 7:12 pm
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2006 Vacation
Developing plans and bouncing ideas for this years Spring trip. Every
Year the desire to wander gets a bit more ambitious...<g>
I'm considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
Weeks......
General South to North route, up the Adriatic coast... Considered
Athens, GR. (Delphi & North) as the starting point but found airfare
prices quite higher than Rome, as an alternate choice (Naples, Bari,
ferry to Durres). Figuring 2 Weeks for this leg; must includes are
Dubrovnic, Split and Cesky Krumrov since it's raved about so much
here...
A quandary in my mind; is Budapest which I'd like to include getting too
far East for me (Prague even) as I'd really like to see some of Austria
and Southern
GR. like Munich... Plays to my next must include as not to double track
too much which is somewhere along the PL/GR. border, last traceable town
of my ancestors Kroessen (sp). Don't think I have time to stray too
farther East. Berlin is a must, then back through Braunschweig to visit
friend, then on into NL and probably return from Amsterdam.
Week1-2-3, Into Rome or Athens across/up Adriatic, possible E. to
Budapest???
Week 2-3-4, Austria, South GR., family history jaunt somewhere to the
general S. of Berlin
Week 3-4-5-6, Possible some nice Western PL city? Berlin.
Week 5-6-7-8, Perhaps nice NE. GR. city-town, Netherlands.
Money of course is tight and I'm figuring about a $50 per diem budget
( actual experience under that in Neth, Belg, France,Spain, Italy, Switz
last 2 years) so cheap trains, the occasional bus, city metro... Hostels
and Two stars, grocery stores and street food; the craved occasional
must have... Experience has been amazingly rich last Two trips even on
a tight budget; I'd rather spend the money on more memorable things to
see than nice porcelain...<g>
Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?
Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
able to purchase much in advance? I know ultimately I need to get
certain places by certain times but don't want to lock anything in now
to be sure; reasonably perhaps a city jump flight a month in advance
before I leave the US to as little as a few days while on the road
somewhere on the net with a CC... Never flew within EU before,
especially on the no-frills... I've read the observations here... Been
on a few night trains also...
I've dealt with Pounds, Eu, Swiss Franc before so I shall expect no
major tribulations dealing with currency slightly to the East of that?
Where in Hades is the old lady renting cheap rooms at the train station?
Will I finally meet her somewhere East of everywhere else I've been in
the EU so far?
Thanks for any comments.
Tim K
Year the desire to wander gets a bit more ambitious...<g>
I'm considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
Weeks......
General South to North route, up the Adriatic coast... Considered
Athens, GR. (Delphi & North) as the starting point but found airfare
prices quite higher than Rome, as an alternate choice (Naples, Bari,
ferry to Durres). Figuring 2 Weeks for this leg; must includes are
Dubrovnic, Split and Cesky Krumrov since it's raved about so much
here...
A quandary in my mind; is Budapest which I'd like to include getting too
far East for me (Prague even) as I'd really like to see some of Austria
and Southern
GR. like Munich... Plays to my next must include as not to double track
too much which is somewhere along the PL/GR. border, last traceable town
of my ancestors Kroessen (sp). Don't think I have time to stray too
farther East. Berlin is a must, then back through Braunschweig to visit
friend, then on into NL and probably return from Amsterdam.
Week1-2-3, Into Rome or Athens across/up Adriatic, possible E. to
Budapest???
Week 2-3-4, Austria, South GR., family history jaunt somewhere to the
general S. of Berlin
Week 3-4-5-6, Possible some nice Western PL city? Berlin.
Week 5-6-7-8, Perhaps nice NE. GR. city-town, Netherlands.
Money of course is tight and I'm figuring about a $50 per diem budget
( actual experience under that in Neth, Belg, France,Spain, Italy, Switz
last 2 years) so cheap trains, the occasional bus, city metro... Hostels
and Two stars, grocery stores and street food; the craved occasional
must have... Experience has been amazingly rich last Two trips even on
a tight budget; I'd rather spend the money on more memorable things to
see than nice porcelain...<g>
Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?
Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
able to purchase much in advance? I know ultimately I need to get
certain places by certain times but don't want to lock anything in now
to be sure; reasonably perhaps a city jump flight a month in advance
before I leave the US to as little as a few days while on the road
somewhere on the net with a CC... Never flew within EU before,
especially on the no-frills... I've read the observations here... Been
on a few night trains also...
I've dealt with Pounds, Eu, Swiss Franc before so I shall expect no
major tribulations dealing with currency slightly to the East of that?
Where in Hades is the old lady renting cheap rooms at the train station?
Will I finally meet her somewhere East of everywhere else I've been in
the EU so far?
Thanks for any comments.
Tim K
Jan 24th 2006 | 5:23 pm
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Re: 2006 Vacation
If you are starting in Greece, you can't get to Croatia by ferry
directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
take a bus across Albania from Athens.
Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
Igoumenitsa.
Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
yourself.
Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
elsewhere from Zagreb.
If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
- your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:12:24 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Developing plans and bouncing ideas for this years Spring trip. Every
>Year the desire to wander gets a bit more ambitious...<g>
>I'm considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
>air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
>other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
>5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
>Weeks......
>General South to North route, up the Adriatic coast... Considered
>Athens, GR. (Delphi & North) as the starting point but found airfare
>prices quite higher than Rome, as an alternate choice (Naples, Bari,
>ferry to Durres). Figuring 2 Weeks for this leg; must includes are
>Dubrovnic, Split and Cesky Krumrov since it's raved about so much
>here...
>A quandary in my mind; is Budapest which I'd like to include getting too
>far East for me (Prague even) as I'd really like to see some of Austria
>and Southern
>GR. like Munich... Plays to my next must include as not to double track
>too much which is somewhere along the PL/GR. border, last traceable town
>of my ancestors Kroessen (sp). Don't think I have time to stray too
>farther East. Berlin is a must, then back through Braunschweig to visit
>friend, then on into NL and probably return from Amsterdam.
>Week1-2-3, Into Rome or Athens across/up Adriatic, possible E. to
>Budapest???
>Week 2-3-4, Austria, South GR., family history jaunt somewhere to the
>general S. of Berlin
>Week 3-4-5-6, Possible some nice Western PL city? Berlin.
>Week 5-6-7-8, Perhaps nice NE. GR. city-town, Netherlands.
>Money of course is tight and I'm figuring about a $50 per diem budget
>( actual experience under that in Neth, Belg, France,Spain, Italy, Switz
>last 2 years) so cheap trains, the occasional bus, city metro... Hostels
>and Two stars, grocery stores and street food; the craved occasional
>must have... Experience has been amazingly rich last Two trips even on
>a tight budget; I'd rather spend the money on more memorable things to
>see than nice porcelain...<g>
>Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
>(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?
>Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
>effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
>able to purchase much in advance? I know ultimately I need to get
>certain places by certain times but don't want to lock anything in now
>to be sure; reasonably perhaps a city jump flight a month in advance
>before I leave the US to as little as a few days while on the road
>somewhere on the net with a CC... Never flew within EU before,
>especially on the no-frills... I've read the observations here... Been
>on a few night trains also...
>I've dealt with Pounds, Eu, Swiss Franc before so I shall expect no
>major tribulations dealing with currency slightly to the East of that?
>Where in Hades is the old lady renting cheap rooms at the train station?
>Will I finally meet her somewhere East of everywhere else I've been in
>the EU so far?
>Thanks for any comments.
>Tim K
directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
take a bus across Albania from Athens.
Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
Igoumenitsa.
Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
yourself.
Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
elsewhere from Zagreb.
If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
- your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:12:24 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Developing plans and bouncing ideas for this years Spring trip. Every
>Year the desire to wander gets a bit more ambitious...<g>
>I'm considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
>air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
>other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
>5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
>Weeks......
>General South to North route, up the Adriatic coast... Considered
>Athens, GR. (Delphi & North) as the starting point but found airfare
>prices quite higher than Rome, as an alternate choice (Naples, Bari,
>ferry to Durres). Figuring 2 Weeks for this leg; must includes are
>Dubrovnic, Split and Cesky Krumrov since it's raved about so much
>here...
>A quandary in my mind; is Budapest which I'd like to include getting too
>far East for me (Prague even) as I'd really like to see some of Austria
>and Southern
>GR. like Munich... Plays to my next must include as not to double track
>too much which is somewhere along the PL/GR. border, last traceable town
>of my ancestors Kroessen (sp). Don't think I have time to stray too
>farther East. Berlin is a must, then back through Braunschweig to visit
>friend, then on into NL and probably return from Amsterdam.
>Week1-2-3, Into Rome or Athens across/up Adriatic, possible E. to
>Budapest???
>Week 2-3-4, Austria, South GR., family history jaunt somewhere to the
>general S. of Berlin
>Week 3-4-5-6, Possible some nice Western PL city? Berlin.
>Week 5-6-7-8, Perhaps nice NE. GR. city-town, Netherlands.
>Money of course is tight and I'm figuring about a $50 per diem budget
>( actual experience under that in Neth, Belg, France,Spain, Italy, Switz
>last 2 years) so cheap trains, the occasional bus, city metro... Hostels
>and Two stars, grocery stores and street food; the craved occasional
>must have... Experience has been amazingly rich last Two trips even on
>a tight budget; I'd rather spend the money on more memorable things to
>see than nice porcelain...<g>
>Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
>(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?
>Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
>effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
>able to purchase much in advance? I know ultimately I need to get
>certain places by certain times but don't want to lock anything in now
>to be sure; reasonably perhaps a city jump flight a month in advance
>before I leave the US to as little as a few days while on the road
>somewhere on the net with a CC... Never flew within EU before,
>especially on the no-frills... I've read the observations here... Been
>on a few night trains also...
>I've dealt with Pounds, Eu, Swiss Franc before so I shall expect no
>major tribulations dealing with currency slightly to the East of that?
>Where in Hades is the old lady renting cheap rooms at the train station?
>Will I finally meet her somewhere East of everywhere else I've been in
>the EU so far?
>Thanks for any comments.
>Tim K
Jan 25th 2006 | 2:36 am
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Re: 2006 Vacation
Thanks Carol... My world map shows ferry service from Bari to Durres but
none from Athens to the East Adriatic coast or Durres to Dubrovnik;
which I anticipated would be overland via bus or train anyway. Know if
there are any visa requirements or entry fee's from Athens or Durres
along to Dubrovnik (Albania???)? I'm really unfamiliar with all the
new States in the region...
Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest? Think
it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S Germany,
then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin? Mapwise
seems the least distance...
I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee issues?
I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet and
of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
strongly considering that alternate route.
Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you are starting in Greece, you can't get to Croatia by ferry
> directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
> Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
> mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
> couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
> Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
> take a bus across Albania from Athens.
> Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
> agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
> because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
> then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
> rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
> Igoumenitsa.
> Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
> days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
> just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
> hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
> yourself.
> Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
> wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
> Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
> stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
> day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
> Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
> elsewhere from Zagreb.
> If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
> ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
> - your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
> if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
none from Athens to the East Adriatic coast or Durres to Dubrovnik;
which I anticipated would be overland via bus or train anyway. Know if
there are any visa requirements or entry fee's from Athens or Durres
along to Dubrovnik (Albania???)? I'm really unfamiliar with all the
new States in the region...
Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest? Think
it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S Germany,
then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin? Mapwise
seems the least distance...
I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee issues?
I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet and
of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
strongly considering that alternate route.
Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you are starting in Greece, you can't get to Croatia by ferry
> directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
> Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
> mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
> couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
> Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
> take a bus across Albania from Athens.
> Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
> agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
> because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
> then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
> rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
> Igoumenitsa.
> Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
> days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
> just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
> hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
> yourself.
> Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
> wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
> Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
> stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
> day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
> Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
> elsewhere from Zagreb.
> If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
> ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
> - your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
> if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
Jan 26th 2006 | 2:38 pm
#4
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Re: 2006 Vacation
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:36:49 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks Carol... My world map shows ferry service from Bari to Durres but
>none from Athens to the East Adriatic coast or Durres to Dubrovnik;
>which I anticipated would be overland via bus or train anyway. Know if
>there are any visa requirements or entry fee's from Athens or Durres
>along to Dubrovnik (Albania???)? I'm really unfamiliar with all the
>new States in the region...
We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
...
>Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
>Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest? Think
>it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S Germany,
>then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin? Mapwise
>seems the least distance...
>I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
>overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee issues?
>I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet and
>of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
>strongly considering that alternate route.
>Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
>Tim K
>"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> If you are starting in Greece, you can't get to Croatia by ferry
>> directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
>> Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
>> mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
>> couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
>> Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
>> take a bus across Albania from Athns.
>> Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
>> agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
>> because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
>> then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
>> rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
>> Igoumenitsa.
>> Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
>> days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
>> just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
>> hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
>> yourself.
>> Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
>> wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
>> Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
>> stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
>> day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
>> Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
>> elsewhere from Zagreb.
>> If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
>> ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
>> - your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
>> if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
>> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks Carol... My world map shows ferry service from Bari to Durres but
>none from Athens to the East Adriatic coast or Durres to Dubrovnik;
>which I anticipated would be overland via bus or train anyway. Know if
>there are any visa requirements or entry fee's from Athens or Durres
>along to Dubrovnik (Albania???)? I'm really unfamiliar with all the
>new States in the region...
We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
...
>Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
>Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest? Think
>it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S Germany,
>then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin? Mapwise
>seems the least distance...
>I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
>overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee issues?
>I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet and
>of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
>strongly considering that alternate route.
>Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
>Tim K
>"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> If you are starting in Greece, you can't get to Croatia by ferry
>> directly - you could look into a ferry to Bari and then across to
>> Dubrovnik, but in March-April it likely doesn't run every day (I know
>> mid-Sept it runs 2 or 3 days per week, but daily in summer). We
>> couldn't fly Athens to Dubrovnik ( only option was
>> Athens-Rome-Dubrovnik - expensive and time consuming), or you could
>> take a bus across Albania from Athns.
>> Or fly Rome, train over to Bari,and catch the ferry to Dubrovnik. I
>> agree to start south and work north. Unfortunately, when we went
>> because of the ferry schedule we started in Zadar, went to Dubrovnik,
>> then backtracked to Zagreb. Not sureyou can actually get to Dubrovnik
>> rom Durres - we couldn't find a ferry connection from there or from
>> Igoumenitsa.
>> Frankly I would do Greece for the islands and give them a few weeks; 2
>> days is plenty for Athens, probably not worth it to go that far for
>> just Athens. IIRC Delphi is a daytrip out of Athens, takes a few
>> hours each way, excursions go there, don't know about driving it
>> yourself.
>> Don't miss Dubrovnik..getinto the oldtown, walk the entire
>> wall...amazing...maybe day trip to a couple of the local islands.
>> Then up the coast to Split (or even Zadar), then across to Zagreb,
>> stopping along the way at Plitvice (stay overnight and spend a whole
>> day there). From Zagreb you can train into Italy, or Slovenia (think
>> Lake Bled, etc.), lots of connections by train to Germany, Austria and
>> elsewhere from Zagreb.
>> If you are going to start from Athens check schedule for Superfast
>> ferry line (I think it is daily most of the year). Ferries to Croatia
>> - your best best is probably Jadrolinija (check their website and see
>> if spring schedules are posted yet)- think about taking ferry from
>> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
Jan 26th 2006 | 5:33 pm
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I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
> and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
> the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
> Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
> the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
> only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
> sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
> long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
> You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
> could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
> schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
> other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
> be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
> planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
> the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
> have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
> ...
> >Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
> >Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest?
Think
> >it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S
Germany,
> >then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin?
Mapwise
> >seems the least distance...
> >
> >I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
> >overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee
issues?
> >I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet
and
> >of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
> >strongly considering that alternate route.
> >
> >Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
> >
> >Tim K
routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
> and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
> the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
> Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
> the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
> only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
> sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
> long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
> You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
> could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
> schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
> other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
> be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
> planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
> the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
> have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
> ...
> >Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
> >Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest?
Think
> >it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S
Germany,
> >then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin?
Mapwise
> >seems the least distance...
> >
> >I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
> >overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee
issues?
> >I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet
and
> >of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
> >strongly considering that alternate route.
> >
> >Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
> >
> >Tim K
Jan 26th 2006 | 5:59 pm
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Here's a website about public transportion in various countries with
some links that may or may not be active at various times:
http://www.fahrplan-online.de/index_en.php3
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:33:13 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
>routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
>hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
>jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
>though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
>30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
>the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
>Tim K
>"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
>> and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
>> the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
>> Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
>> the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
>> only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
>> sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
>> long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
>> You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
>> could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
>> schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
>> other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
>> be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
>> planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
>> the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
>> have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
>> ...
>> >Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
>> >Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest?
>Think
>> >it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S
>Germany,
>> >then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin?
>Mapwise
>> >seems the least distance...
>> >
>> >I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
>> >overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee
>issues?
>> >I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet
>and
>> >of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
>> >strongly considering that alternate route.
>> >
>> >Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
>> >
>> >Tim K
some links that may or may not be active at various times:
http://www.fahrplan-online.de/index_en.php3
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:33:13 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
>routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
>hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
>jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
>though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
>30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
>the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
>Tim K
>"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> We decided to not go overland, with the combo of our American pasports
>> and my sister's still having her maiden name, which is Croatian. At
>> the time Alabnia area was stills omewhat unsettled.
>> Funny story: we went to the train station in Athens to get tickets to
>> the itnternational port for our ferry out, stood in line like forever,
>> only to discover we were in line for bus tickets to Albania, which
>> sort of explained all the Albanian passports. Turns out it's like one
>> long building, with ticket areas separated by a wall.
>> You can't rely on the world map...it shows route lines for which we
>> could never find ferry schedules ...you need to get the ferry
>> schedules..superfast and jadrolinija are online..and there's a few
>> other lines I can't think of off the top of my head. I think I might
>> be able to find something about busses in my notes from when we
>> planned the trip. I'll look this weekend and if I find it I'll post
>> the website. (I do some freelance on the side of my "real" job and
>> have a rush tonight - I shouldn't even be on usenet!)
>> ...
>> >Any comment on a sensible route that can include Southern Germany and
>> >Austria along with some Eastern area perhaps as far as Budapest?
>Think
>> >it better to head NE from Split area; or cut into Austria and S
>Germany,
>> >then E towards Budapest and NW towards GR/PL border and Berlin?
>Mapwise
>> >seems the least distance...
>> >
>> >I'm still investigating airfare into Athens; I assume it no problem
>> >overland from there to Dubrovnik except perhaps visa/entry fee
>issues?
>> >I've already spent a Week in Rome in 04 but still plenty to see yet
>and
>> >of course Naples/Vesuvio area is new to me along with Bari, so I'm
>> >strongly considering that alternate route.
>> >
>> >Thanks for the advice on the E. Adriatic city stops.
>> >
>> >Tim K
Jan 26th 2006 | 6:03 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:33:13 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
>routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
>hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
>jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
>though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
>30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
>the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
If you get a good rate into Rome, might be nice to train across Italy
to Bari (should be cheap and scenic, likely there would be places to
stop for a day or so along the way), then ferry over to Dubrovnik.
Again, I wouldn't go all the way to Athens unless I was spending a few
weeks also on the islands. We spent about 2 weeks island hopping, but
only 2.5 days in Athens...
But then I love Italy....
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
>routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another source
>hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
>jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
>though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an automatic
>30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common about
>the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
If you get a good rate into Rome, might be nice to train across Italy
to Bari (should be cheap and scenic, likely there would be places to
stop for a day or so along the way), then ferry over to Dubrovnik.
Again, I wouldn't go all the way to Athens unless I was spending a few
weeks also on the islands. We spent about 2 weeks island hopping, but
only 2.5 days in Athens...
But then I love Italy....
Jan 26th 2006 | 6:37 pm
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I never realized I could go 'directly' from ROme or Naples either, with
a ferry company apparently running an optional bus to Tremoli for
departure to Dubrovnik; thanks for the link!
http://www.jadrolinija.hr/default.aspx?dpid=1427
Funny pricing: Bari/Dubrovnik Eu 36.50 Deck... +Eu 2 for an actual deck
chair...<g> (Bike on International ferry free)
Dubrovnik/Split Eu 13 Deck + another Two if you want to actually sit...
The kick...if you brought your bile for free from Italy it will cost you
an extra Eu *16.50* for it to tag along...
Upon reflection I don't think I'll have the cash to do much 'Island
hopping' in GR; considering the extra airfare over Rome...perhaps I'm
leaning towards another day...
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:33:13 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
> >routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another
source
> >hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
> >jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
> >though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an
automatic
> >30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common
about
> >the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
> >
> If you get a good rate into Rome, might be nice to train across Italy
> to Bari (should be cheap and scenic, likely there would be places to
> stop for a day or so along the way), then ferry over to Dubrovnik.
> Again, I wouldn't go all the way to Athens unless I was spending a few
> weeks also on the islands. We spent about 2 weeks island hopping, but
> only 2.5 days in Athens...
> But then I love Italy....
a ferry company apparently running an optional bus to Tremoli for
departure to Dubrovnik; thanks for the link!
http://www.jadrolinija.hr/default.aspx?dpid=1427
Funny pricing: Bari/Dubrovnik Eu 36.50 Deck... +Eu 2 for an actual deck
chair...<g> (Bike on International ferry free)
Dubrovnik/Split Eu 13 Deck + another Two if you want to actually sit...
The kick...if you brought your bile for free from Italy it will cost you
an extra Eu *16.50* for it to tag along...
Upon reflection I don't think I'll have the cash to do much 'Island
hopping' in GR; considering the extra airfare over Rome...perhaps I'm
leaning towards another day...
Tim K
"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:33:13 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I've got a fairly recent Michelin map of Western Europe, major ferry
> >routes are noted, though I did hear of the Bari one from another
source
> >hence my backup Rome plan... seems I like a nice ferry trip on every
> >jaunt too! I'm still a bit concerned about the Athens overland route
> >though, particularly Albania...though the USDS indicates an
automatic
> >30d entry with 6m left on passport and an Eu 10 fee. Seems common
about
> >the area; kind of a pass-through tax in my case...
> >
> If you get a good rate into Rome, might be nice to train across Italy
> to Bari (should be cheap and scenic, likely there would be places to
> stop for a day or so along the way), then ferry over to Dubrovnik.
> Again, I wouldn't go all the way to Athens unless I was spending a few
> weeks also on the islands. We spent about 2 weeks island hopping, but
> only 2.5 days in Athens...
> But then I love Italy....
Jan 26th 2006 | 7:17 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:37:54 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I never realized I could go 'directly' from ROme or Naples either, with
>a ferry company apparently running an optional bus to Tremoli for
>departure to Dubrovnik; thanks for the link!
>http://www.jadrolinija.hr/default.aspx?dpid=1427
>Funny pricing: Bari/Dubrovnik Eu 36.50 Deck... +Eu 2 for an actual deck
>chair...<g> (Bike on International ferry free)
>Dubrovnik/Split Eu 13 Deck + another Two if you want to actually sit...
>The kick...if you brought your bile for free from Italy it will cost you
>an extra Eu *16.50* for it to tag along...
>Upon reflection I don't think I'll have the cash to do much 'Island
>hopping' in GR; considering the extra airfare over Rome...perhaps I'm
>leaning towards another day...
Just checked my journal - in Sept 01 we paid 137 kuna for two bus
tickets Zadar-Dubrovnik + 5 kuna each for our bags. At the time the
rate was 8kuna=$1US, so for about $18US two people traveled the
approximate 7 hrs Zadar-Dubrovnik.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I never realized I could go 'directly' from ROme or Naples either, with
>a ferry company apparently running an optional bus to Tremoli for
>departure to Dubrovnik; thanks for the link!
>http://www.jadrolinija.hr/default.aspx?dpid=1427
>Funny pricing: Bari/Dubrovnik Eu 36.50 Deck... +Eu 2 for an actual deck
>chair...<g> (Bike on International ferry free)
>Dubrovnik/Split Eu 13 Deck + another Two if you want to actually sit...
>The kick...if you brought your bile for free from Italy it will cost you
>an extra Eu *16.50* for it to tag along...
>Upon reflection I don't think I'll have the cash to do much 'Island
>hopping' in GR; considering the extra airfare over Rome...perhaps I'm
>leaning towards another day...
Just checked my journal - in Sept 01 we paid 137 kuna for two bus
tickets Zadar-Dubrovnik + 5 kuna each for our bags. At the time the
rate was 8kuna=$1US, so for about $18US two people traveled the
approximate 7 hrs Zadar-Dubrovnik.
Feb 1st 2006 | 2:06 am
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"Carole Allen" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
>think about taking ferry from
> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
I wouldn't miss driving up the coastline, it's really spectacular.
Maybe renting the car from Dubrovnik to Split?
Another lovely spot to stop and walk around (or have a lunch break) on the
way from Plitvice to Zagreb is RASTOKE - a village of mills.
news:[email protected]...
>think about taking ferry from
> Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
I wouldn't miss driving up the coastline, it's really spectacular.
Maybe renting the car from Dubrovnik to Split?
Another lovely spot to stop and walk around (or have a lunch break) on the
way from Plitvice to Zagreb is RASTOKE - a village of mills.
Feb 1st 2006 | 4:28 am
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Thanks for the chatter! I'm considering ferry hopping
Dubrovnik/Split/Korcula up the coast... What is the best scenic leg
from the overland bus or train route? Renting a car will be too much
hassle and cash for me...
Tim K
"Tomich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Carole Allen" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email protected]...
> >think about taking ferry from
> > Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
> I wouldn't miss driving up the coastline, it's really spectacular.
> Maybe renting the car from Dubrovnik to Split?
> Another lovely spot to stop and walk around (or have a lunch break) on
the
> way from Plitvice to Zagreb is RASTOKE - a village of mills.
Dubrovnik/Split/Korcula up the coast... What is the best scenic leg
from the overland bus or train route? Renting a car will be too much
hassle and cash for me...
Tim K
"Tomich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Carole Allen" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email protected]...
> >think about taking ferry from
> > Dubrovnik to Split (instead of the bus) for a different perspective.
> I wouldn't miss driving up the coastline, it's really spectacular.
> Maybe renting the car from Dubrovnik to Split?
> Another lovely spot to stop and walk around (or have a lunch break) on
the
> way from Plitvice to Zagreb is RASTOKE - a village of mills.
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"Timothy Kroesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the chatter! I'm considering ferry hopping
> Dubrovnik/Split/Korcula up the coast... What is the best scenic leg
> from the overland bus or train route? Renting a car will be too much
> hassle and cash for me...
> Tim K
Make sure you plan ahead if you're relying on the ferries. They aren't like
the ferries in Greece, they don't run everyday, and they don't really cater
to tourists' schedules. Unless things have changed from two years ago.
There is no train from Dubrovnik to Split (the lines stop at Split), but the
drive by bus or car is fantastic.
Sarah
news:[email protected] ink.net...
> Thanks for the chatter! I'm considering ferry hopping
> Dubrovnik/Split/Korcula up the coast... What is the best scenic leg
> from the overland bus or train route? Renting a car will be too much
> hassle and cash for me...
> Tim K
Make sure you plan ahead if you're relying on the ferries. They aren't like
the ferries in Greece, they don't run everyday, and they don't really cater
to tourists' schedules. Unless things have changed from two years ago.
There is no train from Dubrovnik to Split (the lines stop at Split), but the
drive by bus or car is fantastic.
Sarah
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"Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?"
AFAIK Russia and Romania are the only European countries that still
require tourist visas for Americans.
"Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
able to purchase much in advance?"
SkyEurope (Bratislava hub near Vienna to the major European cities) or
Air Berlin (flights from all over Germany to lots of Mediterranean
destinations). Ryanair and Easyjet have both expanded rapidly in
routes between Western Europe and Central/Eastern Europe.
"'m considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
Weeks......"
Especially since you're leaving from Cleveland, Frankfurt or Amsterdam
might be a lot cheaper to fly into than Rome or Athens.
(for short stays) along any of this proposed route?"
AFAIK Russia and Romania are the only European countries that still
require tourist visas for Americans.
"Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
able to purchase much in advance?"
SkyEurope (Bratislava hub near Vienna to the major European cities) or
Air Berlin (flights from all over Germany to lots of Mediterranean
destinations). Ryanair and Easyjet have both expanded rapidly in
routes between Western Europe and Central/Eastern Europe.
"'m considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of April,
other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
Weeks......"
Especially since you're leaving from Cleveland, Frankfurt or Amsterdam
might be a lot cheaper to fly into than Rome or Athens.
Feb 1st 2006 | 6:24 am
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Well, that kind of makes up my mind then...<g> I have reviewed a number
of ferry sites and note the general schedule. Thanks, another
question; is it 'more scenic' to go to Korcula by water or land?
Tim K
"Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. ..
> There is no train from Dubrovnik to Split (the lines stop at Split),
but the
> drive by bus or car is fantastic.
> Sarah
of ferry sites and note the general schedule. Thanks, another
question; is it 'more scenic' to go to Korcula by water or land?
Tim K
"Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. ..
> There is no train from Dubrovnik to Split (the lines stop at Split),
but the
> drive by bus or car is fantastic.
> Sarah
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Frankfurt and A'dam are both cheaper; but starting the trip potentially
in late <brrrrr> March... Why indeed I was considering Greece to begin
with...<g> Thanks for the info!
Tim K
"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> "Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
> (for short stays) along any of this proposed route?"
> AFAIK Russia and Romania are the only European countries that still
> require tourist visas for Americans.
> "Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
> effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
> able to purchase much in advance?"
> SkyEurope (Bratislava hub near Vienna to the major European cities) or
> Air Berlin (flights from all over Germany to lots of Mediterranean
> destinations). Ryanair and Easyjet have both expanded rapidly in
> routes between Western Europe and Central/Eastern Europe.
> "'m considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
> air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of
April,
> other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
> 5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
> Weeks......"
> Especially since you're leaving from Cleveland, Frankfurt or Amsterdam
> might be a lot cheaper to fly into than Rome or Athens.
in late <brrrrr> March... Why indeed I was considering Greece to begin
with...<g> Thanks for the info!
Tim K
"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> "Will there be any US Passport Considerations, or costly entry visa's
> (for short stays) along any of this proposed route?"
> AFAIK Russia and Romania are the only European countries that still
> require tourist visas for Americans.
> "Any possibility of cheap airfare within the route to jump time/cost
> effectively betwixt cities in EU and East; as I won't necessarily be
> able to purchase much in advance?"
> SkyEurope (Bratislava hub near Vienna to the major European cities) or
> Air Berlin (flights from all over Germany to lots of Mediterranean
> destinations). Ryanair and Easyjet have both expanded rapidly in
> routes between Western Europe and Central/Eastern Europe.
> "'m considering a late March start (potential to save a buck on Winter
> air rates) from Cleveland, OH; to possibly as late as the end of
April,
> other money considerations beside airfare y'know... to mid/end of May.
> 5-8 Weeks potential trip, last year a month, year before Three
> Weeks......"
> Especially since you're leaving from Cleveland, Frankfurt or Amsterdam
> might be a lot cheaper to fly into than Rome or Athens.
