1st time travel from U.S. to London, HELP!
Jun 3rd 2003, 11:09 pm
#46
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carman wrote:
> > #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
> > Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
> > and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
> > as above. Shopping too.
> > #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
> > reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>
> You'll need 3 days in Paris. At that time there will probably be a line
> waiting to go up the Tower and come down. I was there last week and it was
> already busy.
> Unless the regulations have changed you will need a visa for France. Check
> with the French embassy/consulate in SF. I found this out when I took my
> Californian girl friend there!! The easiest way to get a round Paris is on
> the Metro. A day ticket costs 8.50 Euro.
EUR 5, actually (this is Zones 1-2, but it is extremely unlikely you
will need more - I lived there 2 years without ever needing a ticket
that goes further, except for one off days out).
Might be cheaper just getting a carnet of 10 single tickets anyway. It
often is, seeing how cheap they are.
www.ratp.fr has info
> Watch out for the street
> hustlers in Montmartre.
What do you mean? Do you mean pickpockets? If so, then I guess so, but
you only need take as much care as you ought anywhere else.
> > #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
> > Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
> > and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
> > as above. Shopping too.
> > #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
> > reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>
> You'll need 3 days in Paris. At that time there will probably be a line
> waiting to go up the Tower and come down. I was there last week and it was
> already busy.
> Unless the regulations have changed you will need a visa for France. Check
> with the French embassy/consulate in SF. I found this out when I took my
> Californian girl friend there!! The easiest way to get a round Paris is on
> the Metro. A day ticket costs 8.50 Euro.
EUR 5, actually (this is Zones 1-2, but it is extremely unlikely you
will need more - I lived there 2 years without ever needing a ticket
that goes further, except for one off days out).
Might be cheaper just getting a carnet of 10 single tickets anyway. It
often is, seeing how cheap they are.
www.ratp.fr has info
> Watch out for the street
> hustlers in Montmartre.
What do you mean? Do you mean pickpockets? If so, then I guess so, but
you only need take as much care as you ought anywhere else.
Jun 4th 2003, 12:46 am
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"Mason Barge" wrote
| I stayed in a good hotel in the vicinity of West End (South Kensington),
Regency
| Hotel on Queensgate. ...
| Cost us $155 including tax on an internet deal. The rack rate was L130 or
135.
Rack rates in UK should include the 17.5% VAT, although it's not unknown for
hotels to try persuading you they don't and adding on another 17.5% at
checkout.
Owain
| I stayed in a good hotel in the vicinity of West End (South Kensington),
Regency
| Hotel on Queensgate. ...
| Cost us $155 including tax on an internet deal. The rack rate was L130 or
135.
Rack rates in UK should include the 17.5% VAT, although it's not unknown for
hotels to try persuading you they don't and adding on another 17.5% at
checkout.
Owain
Jun 4th 2003, 1:39 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:24:26 +0100, in uk.local.london Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , carman
> writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
Yeah! But that's flying as "crew." Which means you have to serve food during
the flight and then empty the restroom containers after the plan lands. I never
do that unless I'm working under cover.
Gospacho Holstien -- "I smuggled, run guns, toppled governments, caroused,
****ed, fought, foot raced, rode wild horses, swaggered and generally behaved
badly across the length and breadth of four continents. I have the dust of half
a dozen corrupt and coup ready, crumbling, colonial capitals on the heels of my
ostrich skin boots right now. So don't try to bullshit me."
wrote:
>In article , carman
> writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
Yeah! But that's flying as "crew." Which means you have to serve food during
the flight and then empty the restroom containers after the plan lands. I never
do that unless I'm working under cover.
Gospacho Holstien -- "I smuggled, run guns, toppled governments, caroused,
****ed, fought, foot raced, rode wild horses, swaggered and generally behaved
badly across the length and breadth of four continents. I have the dust of half
a dozen corrupt and coup ready, crumbling, colonial capitals on the heels of my
ostrich skin boots right now. So don't try to bullshit me."
Jun 4th 2003, 2:35 am
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Surreyman wrote:
> What do West Coast-East Coast internal flights cost? From UK we can then
> fly NY return for $200 or less. Or are these costs not available from NY?
The most I've paid to go coast-to-coast round-trip in the past 4 or 5 years
is $250. $200 is often achievable.
miguel
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> What do West Coast-East Coast internal flights cost? From UK we can then
> fly NY return for $200 or less. Or are these costs not available from NY?
The most I've paid to go coast-to-coast round-trip in the past 4 or 5 years
is $250. $200 is often achievable.
miguel
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Jun 4th 2003, 2:54 am
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Following up to Harvey Van Sickle
>That changed a bit when I started dealing with that big building at the
>end of the Mall, but my research has always tended to remain in the
>City-to-West-End and Thames-to-Regent's-Park zone.
I suppose my central London is south bank complex to Tower Bridge to
Regents Park to Harley Street to Paddington Station to Victoria. My
mental central point is Soho.
North London? "There be dragons"
>(I still tend to react to anything beyond Victoria -- or, say,
>Bayswater -- as lying towards the edge of town: "You want me to come
>out to Kensington? I'd better pack a lunch for that trip......".)
I'm in Bexley, presumably you would pack a tent :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>That changed a bit when I started dealing with that big building at the
>end of the Mall, but my research has always tended to remain in the
>City-to-West-End and Thames-to-Regent's-Park zone.
I suppose my central London is south bank complex to Tower Bridge to
Regents Park to Harley Street to Paddington Station to Victoria. My
mental central point is Soho.
North London? "There be dragons"
>(I still tend to react to anything beyond Victoria -- or, say,
>Bayswater -- as lying towards the edge of town: "You want me to come
>out to Kensington? I'd better pack a lunch for that trip......".)
I'm in Bexley, presumably you would pack a tent :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 4th 2003, 3:10 am
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:54:17 GMT, The Reid wrote
> Following up to Harvey Van Sickle
-snip-
>> (I still tend to react to anything beyond Victoria -- or, say,
>> Bayswater -- as lying towards the edge of town: "You want me to
>> come out to Kensington? I'd better pack a lunch for that
>> trip......".)
> I'm in Bexley, presumably you would pack a tent :-)
You are *way* closer to the truth than you might think!
I travel in from Basingstoke (40 to 45 minutes to Waterloo, which isn't
a great deal longer than some commuting areas by stopping train), and
needed to visit Bexley Archives a couple of times last year. That
involved a train to Waterloo; Waterloo East to Bexley (or Bexleyheath
-- can't remember which); bus to the town centre.
I considered making it an overnight stay......
--
Cheers,
Harvey
For e-mail, change harvey to whhvs.
> Following up to Harvey Van Sickle
-snip-
>> (I still tend to react to anything beyond Victoria -- or, say,
>> Bayswater -- as lying towards the edge of town: "You want me to
>> come out to Kensington? I'd better pack a lunch for that
>> trip......".)
> I'm in Bexley, presumably you would pack a tent :-)
You are *way* closer to the truth than you might think!
I travel in from Basingstoke (40 to 45 minutes to Waterloo, which isn't
a great deal longer than some commuting areas by stopping train), and
needed to visit Bexley Archives a couple of times last year. That
involved a train to Waterloo; Waterloo East to Bexley (or Bexleyheath
-- can't remember which); bus to the town centre.
I considered making it an overnight stay......
--
Cheers,
Harvey
For e-mail, change harvey to whhvs.
Jun 4th 2003, 3:38 am
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Following up to John Blake
>>all of those things you mention are in walking distance of each other
>>except British Museum,
>5 minutes walk north/east of Oxford Street/Tottenham Court Road hardly
>puts it off the beaten track.
Indeed, what was I thinking of? I think we were both thinking of the
"museums", not the British Museum.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>>all of those things you mention are in walking distance of each other
>>except British Museum,
>5 minutes walk north/east of Oxford Street/Tottenham Court Road hardly
>puts it off the beaten track.
Indeed, what was I thinking of? I think we were both thinking of the
"museums", not the British Museum.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 4th 2003, 3:38 am
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Following up to John Blake
>It can be done in less than the 14 days! As big as London is (650sq
>miles~ish) the 3 miles between these two can be walked in less than an
>hour. If you don't stop for donuts every 50 yards.
I suspect 90% of the "sights" are in walking distance of one another,
its common to see people get on the tube for journeys that could be
walked qucker!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>It can be done in less than the 14 days! As big as London is (650sq
>miles~ish) the 3 miles between these two can be walked in less than an
>hour. If you don't stop for donuts every 50 yards.
I suspect 90% of the "sights" are in walking distance of one another,
its common to see people get on the tube for journeys that could be
walked qucker!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 4th 2003, 3:46 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:24:26 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , carman
> writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
>--
>Marie Lewis
A direct United flight can be bought for $393 but that is for June.
The ads usually quote the lowest price and include 'From'.
July and August are always priced higher. I fly London-SF every
August and it usually costs £500-600.
Mark
Buying or selling a Jaguar, go to www.Jaguars4sale.com
wrote:
>In article , carman
> writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
>--
>Marie Lewis
A direct United flight can be bought for $393 but that is for June.
The ads usually quote the lowest price and include 'From'.
July and August are always priced higher. I fly London-SF every
August and it usually costs £500-600.
Mark
Buying or selling a Jaguar, go to www.Jaguars4sale.com
Jun 4th 2003, 3:48 am
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:09:45 +0100, Dave Newt
wrote:
>carman wrote:
>> > #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
>> > Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
>> > and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
>> > as above. Shopping too.
>> > #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
>> > reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>>
>> You'll need 3 days in Paris. At that time there will probably be a line
>> waiting to go up the Tower and come down. I was there last week and it was
>> already busy.
>> Unless the regulations have changed you will need a visa for France. Check
>> with the French embassy/consulate in SF. I found this out when I took my
>> Californian girl friend there!! The easiest way to get a round Paris is on
>> the Metro. A day ticket costs 8.50 Euro.
>EUR 5, actually (this is Zones 1-2, but it is extremely unlikely you
>will need more - I lived there 2 years without ever needing a ticket
>that goes further, except for one off days out).
As you say 5 Euro for Zones 1 & 2. We were coming in from Versailles
so were outside zone 2. Note to OP - if you have the time the Palace
of Versailles is well worth a visit.
>Might be cheaper just getting a carnet of 10 single tickets anyway. It
>often is, seeing how cheap they are.
>www.ratp.fr has info
>> Watch out for the street
>> hustlers in Montmartre.
>What do you mean? Do you mean pickpockets? If so, then I guess so, but
>you only need take as much care as you ought anywhere else.
Not the pickpockets but the artists in the streets. They offer a
"free demonstration" of their skill - either a quick pencil sketch or
cut a paper silhouette of you and then demand 20 Euros. They don't
like taking no for an answer. If you do want a picture then bargain
hard.
Mark
Buying or selling a Jaguar, go to www.Jaguars4sale.com
wrote:
>carman wrote:
>> > #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
>> > Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
>> > and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
>> > as above. Shopping too.
>> > #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
>> > reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>>
>> You'll need 3 days in Paris. At that time there will probably be a line
>> waiting to go up the Tower and come down. I was there last week and it was
>> already busy.
>> Unless the regulations have changed you will need a visa for France. Check
>> with the French embassy/consulate in SF. I found this out when I took my
>> Californian girl friend there!! The easiest way to get a round Paris is on
>> the Metro. A day ticket costs 8.50 Euro.
>EUR 5, actually (this is Zones 1-2, but it is extremely unlikely you
>will need more - I lived there 2 years without ever needing a ticket
>that goes further, except for one off days out).
As you say 5 Euro for Zones 1 & 2. We were coming in from Versailles
so were outside zone 2. Note to OP - if you have the time the Palace
of Versailles is well worth a visit.
>Might be cheaper just getting a carnet of 10 single tickets anyway. It
>often is, seeing how cheap they are.
>www.ratp.fr has info
>> Watch out for the street
>> hustlers in Montmartre.
>What do you mean? Do you mean pickpockets? If so, then I guess so, but
>you only need take as much care as you ought anywhere else.
Not the pickpockets but the artists in the streets. They offer a
"free demonstration" of their skill - either a quick pencil sketch or
cut a paper silhouette of you and then demand 20 Euros. They don't
like taking no for an answer. If you do want a picture then bargain
hard.
Mark
Buying or selling a Jaguar, go to www.Jaguars4sale.com
Jun 4th 2003, 4:15 am
#56
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Following up to Harvey Van Sickle
>and
>needed to visit Bexley Archives a couple of times last year. That
>involved a train to Waterloo; Waterloo East to Bexley (or Bexleyheath
>-- can't remember which); bus to the town centre.
must have been Bexleyheath as Bexley is in the centre of Bexley
village.
>I considered making it an overnight stay......
An epic journey,is a book due :-)
--
Mike Reid
A rather dull page with a few photos of where I live
"Old Bexley" is at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/londonwalk9.htm"
(see website for email)
>and
>needed to visit Bexley Archives a couple of times last year. That
>involved a train to Waterloo; Waterloo East to Bexley (or Bexleyheath
>-- can't remember which); bus to the town centre.
must have been Bexleyheath as Bexley is in the centre of Bexley
village.
>I considered making it an overnight stay......
An epic journey,is a book due :-)
--
Mike Reid
A rather dull page with a few photos of where I live
"Old Bexley" is at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/londonwalk9.htm"
(see website for email)
Jun 4th 2003, 4:55 am
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In article ,
Gospacho Holstien writes
>>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
>Yeah! But that's flying as "crew." Which means you have to serve food during
>the flight and then empty the restroom containers after the plan lands. I never
>do that unless I'm working under cover.
Rubbish!
--
Marie Lewis
Gospacho Holstien writes
>>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
>Yeah! But that's flying as "crew." Which means you have to serve food during
>the flight and then empty the restroom containers after the plan lands. I never
>do that unless I'm working under cover.
Rubbish!
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 4th 2003, 6:20 am
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#1) There isn't much that is very amazing in the airfare wars. Try a
consolidator (bucket shop) for probably better deals.
#2) For 3-4 star hotels ask your travel agent. The internet is full of
"discounted" hotel rates but I think that most are dubious and some are
just wrong - more than rack rate.
#3) For a web link to help you first time travelers visit mine at
http://www.enjoy-europe.com.
John Bermont
-------------------------------------------------------
* * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
-------------------------------------------------------
"HOW TO EUROPE: The Complete Travelers Handbook"
Edition 4 is just out, June 2, 2003.
See the web site for a description and ordering info.
-------------------------------------------------------
csmytheee wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My husband and I are travelling from the U.S. to London from July 18th
> to August 1st.
> I would appreciate any help generated from this post (from experienced
> U.S. folk & Europeans alike!)
>
> #1) I found airfare through Virgin Airlines for around $1800 departing
> San Francisco - for both of us. Is this good? It seems amazing to
> me. Non Stop Direct.
>
> #2) We are going to arrive in London. We'd like to stay in the main
> action of London, what hotels would be good? We'd like a minimum of a
> 3-4 star hotel. Preferably one with a fitness center. Definitely one
> with private bathrooms. We'd like to see all the main attractions,
> Buckingham Palace, the Tower Bridge, Big Ben, Eye of London, British
> Museum, etc. We'd also like to do some shopping - of course.
>
> #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
> Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
> and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
> as above. Shopping too.
> #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
> reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>
> I'm sure I'll think of more questions, but this is good to start off
> with. Again, I thank you in advance for your help!!!
>
> p.s...web links are a great help =)
consolidator (bucket shop) for probably better deals.
#2) For 3-4 star hotels ask your travel agent. The internet is full of
"discounted" hotel rates but I think that most are dubious and some are
just wrong - more than rack rate.
#3) For a web link to help you first time travelers visit mine at
http://www.enjoy-europe.com.
John Bermont
-------------------------------------------------------
* * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
-------------------------------------------------------
"HOW TO EUROPE: The Complete Travelers Handbook"
Edition 4 is just out, June 2, 2003.
See the web site for a description and ordering info.
-------------------------------------------------------
csmytheee wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My husband and I are travelling from the U.S. to London from July 18th
> to August 1st.
> I would appreciate any help generated from this post (from experienced
> U.S. folk & Europeans alike!)
>
> #1) I found airfare through Virgin Airlines for around $1800 departing
> San Francisco - for both of us. Is this good? It seems amazing to
> me. Non Stop Direct.
>
> #2) We are going to arrive in London. We'd like to stay in the main
> action of London, what hotels would be good? We'd like a minimum of a
> 3-4 star hotel. Preferably one with a fitness center. Definitely one
> with private bathrooms. We'd like to see all the main attractions,
> Buckingham Palace, the Tower Bridge, Big Ben, Eye of London, British
> Museum, etc. We'd also like to do some shopping - of course.
>
> #3) We'd like to take the train to Paris for a few days (maybe 2-3?)
> Does this sound reasonable? We probably want to just see the Tower
> and some museums, and check out the Parisian life. Hotel options same
> as above. Shopping too.
> #3a) How much does the train cost? Do we need to make
> reservations? Any clues or links are appreciated.
>
> I'm sure I'll think of more questions, but this is good to start off
> with. Again, I thank you in advance for your help!!!
>
> p.s...web links are a great help =)
Jun 4th 2003, 9:51 am
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In article , Marie Lewis
writes
>In article ,
>carman writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
You might see them advertised at that rate, but try calling and booking
them. They usually suddenly evaporate.
That sort of cost is usually available off peak season if you book
months in advance. In the past I've flown London-San Francisco during
August for about UKP430-500 return, but have booked at least by
March/April. Not sure what the situation is this year, though.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
writes
>In article ,
>carman writes
>>$1800 is about right for UK to USA. USA to UK flights were usually
>>cheaper. (I lived in SF for a while so always looked for the cheapest
>>flights to London).
>It must be some time ago: This weekend, in the newspapers I saw return
>flights, UK to LA at under $450 per person.
You might see them advertised at that rate, but try calling and booking
them. They usually suddenly evaporate.
That sort of cost is usually available off peak season if you book
months in advance. In the past I've flown London-San Francisco during
August for about UKP430-500 return, but have booked at least by
March/April. Not sure what the situation is this year, though.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
Jun 4th 2003, 9:53 am
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In article , csmytheee
writes
>Hello,
>My husband and I are travelling from the U.S. to London from July 18th
>to August 1st.
>I would appreciate any help generated from this post (from experienced
>U.S. folk & Europeans alike!)
>p.s...web links are a great help =)
Have a look at my links pages for things to see and do and travel and
lodging options.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
writes
>Hello,
>My husband and I are travelling from the U.S. to London from July 18th
>to August 1st.
>I would appreciate any help generated from this post (from experienced
>U.S. folk & Europeans alike!)
>p.s...web links are a great help =)
Have a look at my links pages for things to see and do and travel and
lodging options.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
