18 dead in Paris hotel fire
Apr 16th 2005 | 5:39 am
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Re: 18 dead in Paris hotel fire
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:09:16 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Earl Evleth writes:
>>> Nobody reads "all" of there newspaper they buy, the scan and read what
>>> grabs them.
>>And a tree dies to pay for it, and a landfill swells to accommodate it.
>>I have no problem with printed materials that are intended to last for a
>>time. But a tremendous amount of paper is wasted on things like
>>newspapers that have essentially no value after about 24 hours, and with
>>information this ephemeral it seems more ecological to just confine it
>>to the electronic realm.
>Then there's all paper used for photos ...
LOL (-:
Kristian
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:09:16 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Earl Evleth writes:
>>> Nobody reads "all" of there newspaper they buy, the scan and read what
>>> grabs them.
>>And a tree dies to pay for it, and a landfill swells to accommodate it.
>>I have no problem with printed materials that are intended to last for a
>>time. But a tremendous amount of paper is wasted on things like
>>newspapers that have essentially no value after about 24 hours, and with
>>information this ephemeral it seems more ecological to just confine it
>>to the electronic realm.
>Then there's all paper used for photos ...
LOL (-:
Kristian
Apr 16th 2005 | 5:40 am
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Re: 18 dead in Paris hotel fire
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:44:58 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-04-16 14:21:38 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
>> The Rev Gaston writes:
>>
>>> Do people beat you up if you try to get off a crowded Metro train?
>>
>> No, and so they don't prevent me from exiting. You said they prevented
>> exiting from the building.
>You're just being stupid. You know very well that what you say isn't
>true. If you're on a crowded train you can't get off unless people
>stand aside for you. It's simple.
>If you want to be contrary for the sake of it at least try to be
>entertaining at the same time.
You have to make the entertainment, as well as do his research for
him.
wrote:
>On 2005-04-16 14:21:38 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
>> The Rev Gaston writes:
>>
>>> Do people beat you up if you try to get off a crowded Metro train?
>>
>> No, and so they don't prevent me from exiting. You said they prevented
>> exiting from the building.
>You're just being stupid. You know very well that what you say isn't
>true. If you're on a crowded train you can't get off unless people
>stand aside for you. It's simple.
>If you want to be contrary for the sake of it at least try to be
>entertaining at the same time.
You have to make the entertainment, as well as do his research for
him.
Apr 16th 2005 | 5:59 am
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Re: 18 dead in Paris hotel fire
nitram writes:
> Then there's all paper used for photos ...
What paper?
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> Then there's all paper used for photos ...
What paper?
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Apr 16th 2005 | 6:12 am
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Re: 18 dead in Paris hotel fire
nitram writes:
> What else is playing with it with your hands at school?
Playing with liquid mercury is neither prolonged nor acute exposure.
The main danger is the vapor, but that can be mitigated with good
ventilation. Elemental mercury in the liquid state is not that readily
absorbed (the situation is different for many mercury compounds). It's
fun to goof around with, too. You can freeze it by pouring it onto dry
ice. If you have enough of it, you can sit on it.
> and cure syphilis.
Mercury is still used in medicine. Thimerosal (nearly 50% mercury in its
active ingredient) is used as a preservative. Mercurous chloride is used
as a disinfectant (calomel). Mercuric chloride was formerly used to
treat syphilis. Mercury oleate is used for skin diseases. Mercury
preparations are sometimes used for pubic lice (crabs). Mercurochrome
is (or was) a common disinfectant, and in fact I have an OTC
mercury-containing topical disinfectant in my bathroom right now.
Of course, most tooth fillings also contain elemental mercury alloyed
with silver, gold, or other metals.
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> What else is playing with it with your hands at school?
Playing with liquid mercury is neither prolonged nor acute exposure.
The main danger is the vapor, but that can be mitigated with good
ventilation. Elemental mercury in the liquid state is not that readily
absorbed (the situation is different for many mercury compounds). It's
fun to goof around with, too. You can freeze it by pouring it onto dry
ice. If you have enough of it, you can sit on it.
> and cure syphilis.
Mercury is still used in medicine. Thimerosal (nearly 50% mercury in its
active ingredient) is used as a preservative. Mercurous chloride is used
as a disinfectant (calomel). Mercuric chloride was formerly used to
treat syphilis. Mercury oleate is used for skin diseases. Mercury
preparations are sometimes used for pubic lice (crabs). Mercurochrome
is (or was) a common disinfectant, and in fact I have an OTC
mercury-containing topical disinfectant in my bathroom right now.
Of course, most tooth fillings also contain elemental mercury alloyed
with silver, gold, or other metals.
--
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Apr 16th 2005 | 6:13 am
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Re: 18 dead in Paris hotel fire
Jan writes:
> Surely Hotel fire regulations are (or should be !!) standard throughout all
> the EU countries.
No doubt, but these establishments don't care about the regulations;
they place employee convenience above customer safety on their list of
priorities.
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> Surely Hotel fire regulations are (or should be !!) standard throughout all
> the EU countries.
No doubt, but these establishments don't care about the regulations;
they place employee convenience above customer safety on their list of
priorities.
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Apr 16th 2005 | 6:13 am
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Earl Evleth wrote:
> At 73, even jealous husbands
> are not a risk.
Doesn't that depend more upon the the jealous husband's
paranoia than upon objective fact?
> At 73, even jealous husbands
> are not a risk.
Doesn't that depend more upon the the jealous husband's
paranoia than upon objective fact?
Apr 16th 2005 | 6:22 am
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tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
>>Earl Evleth wrote:
>>This is a rare occurrence. But I am not impressed with
>>fire prevention policies in France. Typically residences
>>have only one exit, down the stair well, so the best policy is
>>to keep the doors closed, stay in the apartment next to a window.
>>Fortunately, for central Paris, the buildings are not high and one can
>>be
>>rescues by ladder.
>>Living in a fourth floor apartment in Stuttgart with only one stairwell
>>access, I have similar concerns.
>
>
> And I guess that your neighbours insist on having the front door
> deadlocked from the inside every night at 10:00 so that if you
> do actually have an egress down the stair-well you find yourself
> locked in because in your panic you have forgotten to bring
> your key. I never could understand why they though that this
> was a good idea.
Most dead-bolt locks I've encountered in the U.S. require a
key only for entrance - if exit is not simply by a "panic
bar", the indoor side of the lock has a knob for locking and
unlocking it.
>
> tim
>
>
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
>>Earl Evleth wrote:
>>This is a rare occurrence. But I am not impressed with
>>fire prevention policies in France. Typically residences
>>have only one exit, down the stair well, so the best policy is
>>to keep the doors closed, stay in the apartment next to a window.
>>Fortunately, for central Paris, the buildings are not high and one can
>>be
>>rescues by ladder.
>>Living in a fourth floor apartment in Stuttgart with only one stairwell
>>access, I have similar concerns.
>
>
> And I guess that your neighbours insist on having the front door
> deadlocked from the inside every night at 10:00 so that if you
> do actually have an egress down the stair-well you find yourself
> locked in because in your panic you have forgotten to bring
> your key. I never could understand why they though that this
> was a good idea.
Most dead-bolt locks I've encountered in the U.S. require a
key only for entrance - if exit is not simply by a "panic
bar", the indoor side of the lock has a knob for locking and
unlocking it.
>
> tim
>
>
Apr 16th 2005 | 6:31 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> The pendulum seems to have swung the other way. Now if someone finds a
> drop of mercury on the floor of a schoolroom, the school and the
> neighborhood are evacuated and people come in in bunny suits to remove
> it. I used to play with it in my hands in high school, and I'm still
> here.
That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
> The pendulum seems to have swung the other way. Now if someone finds a
> drop of mercury on the floor of a schoolroom, the school and the
> neighborhood are evacuated and people come in in bunny suits to remove
> it. I used to play with it in my hands in high school, and I'm still
> here.
That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
Apr 16th 2005 | 6:43 am
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Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> I read about a guy who came up with an excellent anti-barnacle paint
> by putting in Cayenne pepper. The web has a lot of references to it.
There are many "natural" substances that can be used in
place of more toxic ones. Since I have cats, I have always
been cautious with insecticides for control of common
kitchen pests like ants. As I had reason to learn again
yesterday (when a scouting party showed up to investigate my
second-floor kitchen) cinnamon is a perfect deterent for
ants! (A bit messy to clean up, afterward, but no more so
than all the dead ants a spray of insecticide leaves behind.)
Not only is it non-toxic to pets and humans, but leaves no
insect corpses behind. Apparently it's just a matter of the
ants disliking it so intensely they choose to go elsewhere.
Since ants perform a desireable function in nature (but
not in my kitchen!) that's a "plus" in my view.
>
> I read about a guy who came up with an excellent anti-barnacle paint
> by putting in Cayenne pepper. The web has a lot of references to it.
There are many "natural" substances that can be used in
place of more toxic ones. Since I have cats, I have always
been cautious with insecticides for control of common
kitchen pests like ants. As I had reason to learn again
yesterday (when a scouting party showed up to investigate my
second-floor kitchen) cinnamon is a perfect deterent for
ants! (A bit messy to clean up, afterward, but no more so
than all the dead ants a spray of insecticide leaves behind.)
Not only is it non-toxic to pets and humans, but leaves no
insect corpses behind. Apparently it's just a matter of the
ants disliking it so intensely they choose to go elsewhere.
Since ants perform a desireable function in nature (but
not in my kitchen!) that's a "plus" in my view.
Apr 16th 2005 | 6:53 am
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Jan wrote:
>
> Surely Hotel fire regulations are (or should be !!) standard throughout all
> the EU countries.
> In the UK (no matter how many stars you may or may not have) if you are not
> up to the required minimum standard, you will not be issued with a Fire
> Certificate, so you cannot trade. The same rules apply whatever the age of
> the building.
Well, if the news story I read is true, the hotel was
extremely overcrowded (32 rooms, somewhere close to 90
"guests") and was used as a "catch-all" for housing the
homeless. Neither is an excuse for inadequate fire
protection, of course, but it's not surprising there would
not be. (Just another reason for not staying at the
cheapest hotels when one travels.)
>
> Surely Hotel fire regulations are (or should be !!) standard throughout all
> the EU countries.
> In the UK (no matter how many stars you may or may not have) if you are not
> up to the required minimum standard, you will not be issued with a Fire
> Certificate, so you cannot trade. The same rules apply whatever the age of
> the building.
Well, if the news story I read is true, the hotel was
extremely overcrowded (32 rooms, somewhere close to 90
"guests") and was used as a "catch-all" for housing the
homeless. Neither is an excuse for inadequate fire
protection, of course, but it's not surprising there would
not be. (Just another reason for not staying at the
cheapest hotels when one travels.)
Apr 16th 2005 | 7:38 am
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
Brain damage is mostly a risk for small children and unborn children.
In adults exposure gradually produces neurological effects but quite a
long or heavy dose is required to produce frank deficits in cognition or
other higher brain functions. One of the most common symptoms at lower
levels of contamination is a marked tremor.
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> That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
Brain damage is mostly a risk for small children and unborn children.
In adults exposure gradually produces neurological effects but quite a
long or heavy dose is required to produce frank deficits in cognition or
other higher brain functions. One of the most common symptoms at lower
levels of contamination is a marked tremor.
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Apr 16th 2005 | 7:40 am
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:31:04 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
...
... Mxsmanic wrote:
...
... > The pendulum seems to have swung the other way. Now if someone finds a
... > drop of mercury on the floor of a schoolroom, the school and the
... > neighborhood are evacuated and people come in in bunny suits to remove
... > it. I used to play with it in my hands in high school, and I'm still
... > here.
...
... That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
Only if he ate it for lunch.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
...
... Mxsmanic wrote:
...
... > The pendulum seems to have swung the other way. Now if someone finds a
... > drop of mercury on the floor of a schoolroom, the school and the
... > neighborhood are evacuated and people come in in bunny suits to remove
... > it. I used to play with it in my hands in high school, and I'm still
... > here.
...
... That explains a lot! (Isn't it supposed to cause brain damage?)
Only if he ate it for lunch.
Apr 16th 2005 | 9:08 am
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
>> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>>>Earl Evleth wrote:
>>>This is a rare occurrence. But I am not impressed with
>>>fire prevention policies in France. Typically residences
>>>have only one exit, down the stair well, so the best policy is
>>>to keep the doors closed, stay in the apartment next to a window.
>>>Fortunately, for central Paris, the buildings are not high and one can
>>>be
>>>rescues by ladder.
>>>Living in a fourth floor apartment in Stuttgart with only one stairwell
>>>access, I have similar concerns.
>> And I guess that your neighbours insist on having the front door
>> deadlocked from the inside every night at 10:00 so that if you
>> do actually have an egress down the stair-well you find yourself
>> locked in because in your panic you have forgotten to bring
>> your key. I never could understand why they though that this
>> was a good idea.
> Most dead-bolt locks I've encountered in the U.S. require a key only for
> entrance - if exit is not simply by a "panic bar", the indoor side of the
> lock has a knob for locking and unlocking it.
>> tim
Many dead-bolt locks in the U.S. (in my home, for example, there are two)
require keys to unlock them both outside and inside. Our solution is to
leave a key in the indoor lock at all times. I know this partially defeats
the purpose, but I prefer that solution to the risk of being unable to open
the doors for egress in an emergency.
GG
news:[email protected]...
> tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
>> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>>>Earl Evleth wrote:
>>>This is a rare occurrence. But I am not impressed with
>>>fire prevention policies in France. Typically residences
>>>have only one exit, down the stair well, so the best policy is
>>>to keep the doors closed, stay in the apartment next to a window.
>>>Fortunately, for central Paris, the buildings are not high and one can
>>>be
>>>rescues by ladder.
>>>Living in a fourth floor apartment in Stuttgart with only one stairwell
>>>access, I have similar concerns.
>> And I guess that your neighbours insist on having the front door
>> deadlocked from the inside every night at 10:00 so that if you
>> do actually have an egress down the stair-well you find yourself
>> locked in because in your panic you have forgotten to bring
>> your key. I never could understand why they though that this
>> was a good idea.
> Most dead-bolt locks I've encountered in the U.S. require a key only for
> entrance - if exit is not simply by a "panic bar", the indoor side of the
> lock has a knob for locking and unlocking it.
>> tim
Many dead-bolt locks in the U.S. (in my home, for example, there are two)
require keys to unlock them both outside and inside. Our solution is to
leave a key in the indoor lock at all times. I know this partially defeats
the purpose, but I prefer that solution to the risk of being unable to open
the doors for egress in an emergency.
GG
Apr 16th 2005 | 9:33 am
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:59:29 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> Then there's all paper used for photos ...
>What paper?
All the paper you use to print your vast enlarged photographs that you
sell.
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> Then there's all paper used for photos ...
>What paper?
All the paper you use to print your vast enlarged photographs that you
sell.
Apr 16th 2005 | 9:34 am
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:12:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> What else is playing with it with your hands at school?
>Playing with liquid mercury is neither prolonged nor acute exposure.
So you exaggerated again?
>The main danger is the vapor, but that can be mitigated with good
>ventilation. Elemental mercury in the liquid state is not that readily
>absorbed (the situation is different for many mercury compounds). It's
>fun to goof around with, too. You can freeze it by pouring it onto dry
>ice. If you have enough of it, you can sit on it.
>> and cure syphilis.
>Mercury is still used in medicine. Thimerosal (nearly 50% mercury in its
>active ingredient) is used as a preservative. Mercurous chloride is used
>as a disinfectant (calomel). Mercuric chloride was formerly used to
>treat syphilis. Mercury oleate is used for skin diseases. Mercury
>preparations are sometimes used for pubic lice (crabs). Mercurochrome
>is (or was) a common disinfectant, and in fact I have an OTC
>mercury-containing topical disinfectant in my bathroom right now.
>Of course, most tooth fillings also contain elemental mercury alloyed
>with silver, gold, or other metals.
Not any more.
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> What else is playing with it with your hands at school?
>Playing with liquid mercury is neither prolonged nor acute exposure.
So you exaggerated again?
>The main danger is the vapor, but that can be mitigated with good
>ventilation. Elemental mercury in the liquid state is not that readily
>absorbed (the situation is different for many mercury compounds). It's
>fun to goof around with, too. You can freeze it by pouring it onto dry
>ice. If you have enough of it, you can sit on it.
>> and cure syphilis.
>Mercury is still used in medicine. Thimerosal (nearly 50% mercury in its
>active ingredient) is used as a preservative. Mercurous chloride is used
>as a disinfectant (calomel). Mercuric chloride was formerly used to
>treat syphilis. Mercury oleate is used for skin diseases. Mercury
>preparations are sometimes used for pubic lice (crabs). Mercurochrome
>is (or was) a common disinfectant, and in fact I have an OTC
>mercury-containing topical disinfectant in my bathroom right now.
>Of course, most tooth fillings also contain elemental mercury alloyed
>with silver, gold, or other metals.
Not any more.
