On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:48 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 25 jun, 14:30, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK
>> > being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU.
>>
>> Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
>
>Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.
>
>If there was a referendum on the euro however, it would be voted down,
>and I'd be among the no voters.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the pound when the borrowed money
fuelled boom in UK finishes.
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Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:48 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:44:05 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >Spain and Portugal are hardly newer EU states, and their support isn't
>> >far behind the UK.
>>
>> Turkey lost some of my support by charging me more for a "visa" than they
>> charged my wife.
>
>I hadn't realised I'd need a visa to go, never mind pay for one. That
>would put me off going.

You mean you haven't been? Go while it is still cheap, but not while it is 45C.
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Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:49 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:48:02 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> > >On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> > >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > >> > Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
>> >> > >> > simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
>> >> > >> > human rights and international law.
>> >> >
>> >> > >> Like Bulgaria?
>> >> >
>> >> > >Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".
>> >> >
>> >> > Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet,
>> >>
>> >> Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song
>> >> Contest.
>> >
>> >North African countries, Jordan and the Lebanon are eligible to apply
>> >too.
>>
>> You missed Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia.
>
>Er, no I did not, unless they've moved.

Anybody can apply.
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Martin

On 25 jun, 15:02, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 25 jun, 14:30, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK
> > > being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU.
>
> > Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
>
> Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.

I mean ... apart from that one < looks innocent >

B;

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:48 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:44:05 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >Spain and Portugal are hardly newer EU states, and their support isn't
> >> >far behind the UK.
> >>
> >> Turkey lost some of my support by charging me more for a "visa" than they
> >> charged my wife.
> >
> >I hadn't realised I'd need a visa to go, never mind pay for one. That
> >would put me off going.
>
> You mean you haven't been?

Nope, I'll go when they're in the EU and I don't need a visa!

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:04:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 25 jun, 14:49, "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > > Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is
>> > > anti EU.
>> >
>> > Odd that isn't it.
>> >
>> > Because everyone you talk to is all in favour of joining the Euro, getting
>> > rid of passport controls to Europe and all the rest of it.
>>
>> Martin was talking about internet users. You are talking about Daily
>> Mail readers.
>
>There may not be a lot of difference.

Some "read" the Sun and other Murdoch reliable sources of information.
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Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:07:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 25 jun, 15:02, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 25 jun, 14:30, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK
>> > > being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU.
>>
>> > Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
>>
>> Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.
>
>I mean ... apart from that one < looks innocent >

<Gives Jeremy a suspicious look>
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Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:07:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:48 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:44:05 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >Spain and Portugal are hardly newer EU states, and their support isn't
>> >> >far behind the UK.
>> >>
>> >> Turkey lost some of my support by charging me more for a "visa" than they
>> >> charged my wife.
>> >
>> >I hadn't realised I'd need a visa to go, never mind pay for one. That
>> >would put me off going.
>>
>> You mean you haven't been?
>
>Nope, I'll go when they're in the EU and I don't need a visa!

By then it will be too late.

It's odd that most of the modernisation is funded by Germany and that most
tourists are German too.
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Martin

Following up to "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is
>> anti EU.
>
>Odd that isn't it.

i never seem to hear a good word about the EU and there now seems to
be more disgruntalment about pushing constitutional stuff through the
back door.
It struck me for the first time in Shetland that all the scandanavians
and the UK have crosses on thier flags while all the countries to the
south and west have tricolours, ive yet to get get drunk enough to
decide what it proves.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
to email remove clothing.

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
>
>Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.

when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?
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Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:38:52 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is
>>> anti EU.
>>
>>Odd that isn't it.
>
>i never seem to hear a good word about the EU and there now seems to
>be more disgruntalment about pushing constitutional stuff through the
>back door.

You read the wrong newspapers. What has been pushed through the back door?

>It struck me for the first time in Shetland that all the scandanavians
>and the UK have crosses on thier flags while all the countries to the
>south and west have tricolours, ive yet to get get drunk enough to
>decide what it proves.

Your lack of knowledge of flags?
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Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:40:44 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>
>>> Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
>>
>>Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.
>
>when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
>Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?

Do you think anybody outside the UK in the EU gives a flying XXXX?
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Martin

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> Precisely why there has never been a referendum?
> >
> >Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.
>
> when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
> Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?

Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.

--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
>> Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?
>
>Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
>'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.

i dont think any constitutional expansion would ever get through, as
elsewhere recently. I think the politicians know that, hence no vote.
A vote to pull out would probably scare people into voting to stay in,
maybe.
A lot would depend on the media, who were all for it back in the 70s
but all agin it now.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
to email remove clothing.

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
> >> Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?
> >
> >Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
> >'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.
>
> i dont think any constitutional expansion would ever get through, as
> elsewhere recently.

I don't think so either (it didn't pass in other countries) but I was
talking about what would happen if there was a vote to _remain_ in the
EU. As I've said, this is something people _love_ to moan and bitch
about, but membership of the EU would be seen as a necessary reality for
most people, despite what they might say.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007