As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also ride
while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
m/cycle test ????

Thanks

Lee.

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:08:42 GMT, Lee wrote:

    > As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
    > france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also ride
    > while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
    > m/cycle test ????

I don't know the answer for this, but you might want to consider that your
UK DL will likely have the A1 class specifically invalidated. In France
that class would have been left valid. So... if you try to drive in France
with your UK DL which specifically has the A1 cancelled then you might have
some explaining to do to the copper that stops you, or the bike hire place.

This sounds like a case for an IDP or at least a good chat with the man
down the AA office.

It might be like in Austria, where anyone can ride a "moped", not quite the
equivalent of the A1 class - less than 5bhp or something like that. You can
do that without a licence of any sort.

More importantly, do you actually know how to ride a bike?

--
Tim C.

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:08:42 GMT, Lee wrote:

    > As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
    > france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also ride
    > while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
    > m/cycle test ????
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Lee.

I just checked the Austrian motor club and it might be the same for
Austrians in France as Brits in France, in that you *can* drive an A1 class
bike (less than 14bhp) but *only* with a special entry (the 111 code the
sort of provisional DL entry) in the driving licence. It seems the only
countries a foreigner can drive an A1 class with just a B class are
Luxembourg and Italy. However, I'd check with the AA, they're probably your
best bet in the UK.

--
Tim C.

"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1104762706.e633adc97786a7718db6345148125a03@t eranews...
    > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:08:42 GMT, Lee wrote:
    > > As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
    > > france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also
ride
    > > while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
    > > m/cycle test ????
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Lee.
    > I just checked the Austrian motor club and it might be the same for
    > Austrians in France as Brits in France, in that you *can* drive an A1
class
    > bike (less than 14bhp) but *only* with a special entry (the 111 code the
    > sort of provisional DL entry) in the driving licence. It seems the only
    > countries a foreigner can drive an A1 class with just a B class are
    > Luxembourg and Italy. However, I'd check with the AA, they're probably
your
    > best bet in the UK.
    > --
    > Tim C.

Yes, thanks Tim, i have already tried the AA, RAC and DSA.... they don`t
know....even tried the French embassy and ministry of transport, they`re not
sure!!!

Thought i might try a NG, someone might know...LOL....

And YES . I do ride a m/cycle....have done since the 1970`s ... just don`t
have a full licence for one!!!.and too old to bother with a test ;-)

Just fancy a French/Spain cruise on something bigger than a moped......other
than a car......

Lee......

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:50:15 GMT, Lee wrote:

    > "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1104762706.e633adc97786a7718db6345148125a03@t eranews...
    >> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:08:42 GMT, Lee wrote:
    >>> As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
    >>> france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also
    > ride
    >>> while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
    >>> m/cycle test ????
    >>> Thanks
    >>> Lee.
    >> I just checked the Austrian motor club and it might be the same for
    >> Austrians in France as Brits in France, in that you *can* drive an A1
    > class
    >> bike (less than 14bhp) but *only* with a special entry (the 111 code the
    >> sort of provisional DL entry) in the driving licence. It seems the only
    >> countries a foreigner can drive an A1 class with just a B class are
    >> Luxembourg and Italy. However, I'd check with the AA, they're probably
    > your
    >> best bet in the UK.
    >> --
    >> Tim C.
    >
    > Yes, thanks Tim, i have already tried the AA, RAC and DSA.... they don`t
    > know....even tried the French embassy and ministry of transport, they`re not
    > sure!!!

Ah, a bit if a drawback that is. :-(



    > Thought i might try a NG, someone might know...LOL....

No chance mate!


    > And YES . I do ride a m/cycle....have done since the 1970`s ... just don`t
    > have a full licence for one!!!.and too old to bother with a test ;-)

I understand. If the French authorities can't help you, I'm afraid you're
way beyond what I could suggest.

    > Just fancy a French/Spain cruise on something bigger than a moped......other
    > than a car......

I understand that too!
I've seen loads of Vespas on the tops of the passes in the Dolomites, btw.

--
Tim C.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:20:11 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:50:15 GMT, Lee wrote:
    >> "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:1104762706.e633adc97786a7718db6345148125a03@t eranews...
    >>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:08:42 GMT, Lee wrote:
    >>>> As the french can ride up to 125cc motorcycle on a full B car licence in
    >>>> france with no A1 motorcycle licence test, can i, as a UK citizen, also
    >> ride
    >>>> while in france a 125cc m/cycle on my UK (EU) B car licence with no A1
    >>>> m/cycle test ????
    >>>> Thanks
    >>>> Lee.
    >>> I just checked the Austrian motor club and it might be the same for
    >>> Austrians in France as Brits in France, in that you *can* drive an A1
    >> class
    >>> bike (less than 14bhp) but *only* with a special entry (the 111 code the
    >>> sort of provisional DL entry) in the driving licence. It seems the only
    >>> countries a foreigner can drive an A1 class with just a B class are
    >>> Luxembourg and Italy. However, I'd check with the AA, they're probably
    >> your
    >>> best bet in the UK.
    >>> --
    >>> Tim C.
    >>
    >> Yes, thanks Tim, i have already tried the AA, RAC and DSA.... they don`t
    >> know....even tried the French embassy and ministry of transport, they`re not
    >> sure!!!
    >Ah, a bit if a drawback that is. :-(
    >
    >> Thought i might try a NG, someone might know...LOL....
    >No chance mate!
    >
    >> And YES . I do ride a m/cycle....have done since the 1970`s ... just don`t
    >> have a full licence for one!!!.and too old to bother with a test ;-)
    >I understand. If the French authorities can't help you, I'm afraid you're
    >way beyond what I could suggest.
    >> Just fancy a French/Spain cruise on something bigger than a moped......other
    >> than a car......
    >I understand that too!
    >I've seen loads of Vespas on the tops of the passes in the Dolomites, btw.

and cars upside down in mountain streams at the bottom of ravines in
the Pyrenees.

A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
Exchanging one for a Dutch license produces a Dutch driving license
that entitles the holder to drive any motorbike too.
--
Martin

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, nitram wrote:

    > A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.

That might explain why the Belgian bikers ride like they do. ;-)
Looks like my ÖAMTC info was inaccurate. :-(
--
Tim C.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:41:52 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >> A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    >That might explain why the Belgian bikers ride like they do. ;-)

and the way they drive?

    >Looks like my ÖAMTC info was inaccurate. :-(

--
Martin

"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:20:11 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
snip<

    > >
    > >I understand that too!
    > >I've seen loads of Vespas on the tops of the passes in the Dolomites,
btw.
    > and cars upside down in mountain streams at the bottom of ravines in
    > the Pyrenees.
    > A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    > Exchanging one for a Dutch license produces a Dutch driving license
    > that entitles the holder to drive any motorbike too.
    > --
    > Martin

I think you`ll find that only includes a 125cc Martin........ the EU seems
to be switching over to that regulation.....

Lee.......

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:02:16 GMT, "Lee" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:20:11 +0100, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >snip<
    >> >
    >> >I understand that too!
    >> >I've seen loads of Vespas on the tops of the passes in the Dolomites,
    >btw.
    >> and cars upside down in mountain streams at the bottom of ravines in
    >> the Pyrenees.
    >> A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    >> Exchanging one for a Dutch license produces a Dutch driving license
    >> that entitles the holder to drive any motorbike too.
    >> --
    >> Martin
    >I think you`ll find that only includes a 125cc Martin........ the EU seems
    >to be switching over to that regulation.....

There's no limit on my wife's driving license. Luckily(?) she has
never been on a m/bike and has no intention of driving one. Being
relatively young at least she took a driving test to get a car
license. Most Belgians over 60 didn't.
--
Martin

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:49:00 +0100, nitram wrote:

    > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:41:52 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >>> A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    >>That might explain why the Belgian bikers ride like they do. ;-)
    >
    > and the way they drive?

Like they're riding bikes ...

--
Tim C.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:08:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:49:00 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:41:52 +0100, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >>>> A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    >>>That might explain why the Belgian bikers ride like they do. ;-)
    >>
    >> and the way they drive?
    >Like they're riding bikes ...

Like they are pissed out of their minds half the time.
--
Martin

"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:02:16 GMT, "Lee" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected].. .
    > >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:20:11 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >snip<
    > >
    > >> >
    > >> >I understand that too!
    > >> >I've seen loads of Vespas on the tops of the passes in the Dolomites,
    > >btw.
    > >>
    > >> and cars upside down in mountain streams at the bottom of ravines in
    > >> the Pyrenees.
    > >>
    > >> A Belgian car license entitles the driver to ride any motorbike.
    > >> Exchanging one for a Dutch license produces a Dutch driving license
    > >> that entitles the holder to drive any motorbike too.
    > >> --
    > >> Martin
    > >
    > >I think you`ll find that only includes a 125cc Martin........ the EU
seems
    > >to be switching over to that regulation.....
    > There's no limit on my wife's driving license. Luckily(?) she has
    > never been on a m/bike and has no intention of driving one. Being
    > relatively young at least she took a driving test to get a car
    > license. Most Belgians over 60 didn't.
    > --
    > Martin

LOL.......

I wish the UK would get it together like the rest of the EU........ :-(

Lee........