`typical French experience
Jun 24th 2004, 11:08 am
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Re: `typical French experience
On 24 Jun 2004 01:51:42 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (JX Bardant)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... [email protected] (David Horne) wrote in message news:<1gfv400.523anol09pmjN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]>...
... > Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... > > What preconceptions? In the last couple of weeks you have posted many
... > > stories about everything you don't like about France. Learn to live with
... > > France's imperfections just like you learned to live with your own country's
... > > imprefections.
... >
... > Maybe he complained about them too. I honestly don't think you'd have
... > posted in the fashion you did if a French person was writing similar
... > posts after moving to the US or somewhere similar. Really.
...
... Jonathan is bitching around, but actually Sjoerd is the guilty one. How clever.
It's Jeremy.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... [email protected] (David Horne) wrote in message news:<1gfv400.523anol09pmjN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]>...
... > Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... > > What preconceptions? In the last couple of weeks you have posted many
... > > stories about everything you don't like about France. Learn to live with
... > > France's imperfections just like you learned to live with your own country's
... > > imprefections.
... >
... > Maybe he complained about them too. I honestly don't think you'd have
... > posted in the fashion you did if a French person was writing similar
... > posts after moving to the US or somewhere similar. Really.
...
... Jonathan is bitching around, but actually Sjoerd is the guilty one. How clever.
It's Jeremy.
Jun 24th 2004, 1:45 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
Reminds me of my own experience buying 2 screws for a bicycle in Paris.
Me:
What do I owe you?
Mechanic:
What do yot think they're worth?
Me:
10 Euro.
Mechanic:
That's ridiculous that. For 2 screws?
Me:
1 Euro.
Mechanic:
(Visibly Annoyed)
Look you can have them for nothing.
Me:
OK
And off I went.
I wonder what the right price actually was.
O'Donnell Abu
Me:
What do I owe you?
Mechanic:
What do yot think they're worth?
Me:
10 Euro.
Mechanic:
That's ridiculous that. For 2 screws?
Me:
1 Euro.
Mechanic:
(Visibly Annoyed)
Look you can have them for nothing.
Me:
OK
And off I went.
I wonder what the right price actually was.
O'Donnell Abu
Jun 24th 2004, 1:51 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:02 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
> information or as a shopping tool.
Some might say that's a good thing.
--
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> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
> information or as a shopping tool.
Some might say that's a good thing.
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Jun 24th 2004, 2:02 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:51:49 GMT, Tim Challenger
<"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:02 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
>> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
>> information or as a shopping tool.
>Some might say that's a good thing.
some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
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>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:02 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
>> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
>> information or as a shopping tool.
>Some might say that's a good thing.
some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
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Jun 24th 2004, 2:04 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:33 -0400, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:51:49 GMT, Tim Challenger
> <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:02 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
>>> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
>>> information or as a shopping tool.
>>Some might say that's a good thing.
> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>
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Depends on how you use it.
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> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:51:49 GMT, Tim Challenger
> <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:02 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
>>> ... the internet has not really caught on in France as a medium of
>>> information or as a shopping tool.
>>Some might say that's a good thing.
> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>
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> Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included,
> reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
Depends on how you use it.
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Jun 24th 2004, 2:31 pm
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:36:42 GMT, devil wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:04:25 +0000, Tim Challenger wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:33 -0400, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included,
>>> reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
>>
>> Depends on how you use it.
>
> You beat me to it.
>
> Mind you, 127 probably had Guantanamo in mind.
zzzzzzttttpptzzz. Ouch!
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> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:04:25 +0000, Tim Challenger wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:33 -0400, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included,
>>> reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
>>
>> Depends on how you use it.
>
> You beat me to it.
>
> Mind you, 127 probably had Guantanamo in mind.
zzzzzzttttpptzzz. Ouch!
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Jun 24th 2004, 2:36 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:04:25 +0000, Tim Challenger wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:33 -0400, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included,
>> reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
>
> Depends on how you use it.
You beat me to it.
Mind you, 127 probably had Guantanamo in mind.
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:33 -0400, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> some might say electricity is a bad thing but they'd be wrong too
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included,
>> reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
>
> Depends on how you use it.
You beat me to it.
Mind you, 127 probably had Guantanamo in mind.
Jun 24th 2004, 2:46 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
[email protected] (David Horne) wrote in message news:<1gfvuhv.1agh9kk7t08hsN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]>...
> JX Bardant <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (David Horne) wrote in message
> news:<1gfv400.523anol09pmjN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]>...
> > > Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What preconceptions? In the last couple of weeks you have posted many
> > > > stories about everything you don't like about France. Learn to live
> > > > with France's imperfections just like you learned to live with your
> > > > own country's imprefections.
> > >
> > > Maybe he complained about them too. I honestly don't think you'd have
> > > posted in the fashion you did if a French person was writing similar
> > > posts after moving to the US or somewhere similar. Really.
> >
> > Jonathan is bitching around, but actually Sjoerd is the guilty one.
>
> Who is Jonathan?
Oops. I meant Jeremy.
> Anyway, the point is that people complain about lots of things here, and
> I really think the only reason that Sjoerd has vented on Jeremy is
> because it's France that's being 'bitched' about, by someone coming (I
> assume) from the US.
You're making assumptions. Reproaching to Sjoerd what you think he
would do in such and such a situation is quite grotesque. Anyway I
still have to see a post where he writes that all Americans are this
or that.
> [Jeremy] has never in my opinion vented
> against France per se,
The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
I don't know what it is.
>or bemoaned the whole fact of living in that
> country- quite the opposite.
This has nothing to do with it. French colons in Africa liked the
place they were living in too, but that was not preventing them from
being racist.
> JX Bardant <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (David Horne) wrote in message
> news:<1gfv400.523anol09pmjN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]>...
> > > Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What preconceptions? In the last couple of weeks you have posted many
> > > > stories about everything you don't like about France. Learn to live
> > > > with France's imperfections just like you learned to live with your
> > > > own country's imprefections.
> > >
> > > Maybe he complained about them too. I honestly don't think you'd have
> > > posted in the fashion you did if a French person was writing similar
> > > posts after moving to the US or somewhere similar. Really.
> >
> > Jonathan is bitching around, but actually Sjoerd is the guilty one.
>
> Who is Jonathan?
Oops. I meant Jeremy.
> Anyway, the point is that people complain about lots of things here, and
> I really think the only reason that Sjoerd has vented on Jeremy is
> because it's France that's being 'bitched' about, by someone coming (I
> assume) from the US.
You're making assumptions. Reproaching to Sjoerd what you think he
would do in such and such a situation is quite grotesque. Anyway I
still have to see a post where he writes that all Americans are this
or that.
> [Jeremy] has never in my opinion vented
> against France per se,
The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
I don't know what it is.
>or bemoaned the whole fact of living in that
> country- quite the opposite.
This has nothing to do with it. French colons in Africa liked the
place they were living in too, but that was not preventing them from
being racist.
Jun 24th 2004, 2:59 pm
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On 24 Jun 2004 07:46:26 -0700, JX Bardant wrote:
>> [Jeremy] has never in my opinion vented
>> against France per se,
>
> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
I'm afraid I have to agree with you. The general tone of the post, together
with the title really did, to me, sound like another France-slagging post,
even if Jeremy didn't mean it to be one. It should have been
"my experience in France" rather than "typical ..." which implies that this
is the sort of thing that happens to most people all the time.
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>> [Jeremy] has never in my opinion vented
>> against France per se,
>
> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
I'm afraid I have to agree with you. The general tone of the post, together
with the title really did, to me, sound like another France-slagging post,
even if Jeremy didn't mean it to be one. It should have been
"my experience in France" rather than "typical ..." which implies that this
is the sort of thing that happens to most people all the time.
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Jun 24th 2004, 3:06 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:46:26 -0700, JX Bardant wrote:
> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
You might want to reread the article a bit more carefully.
(Or is it just that you can't take the minor criticism that the article
included? Which I would argue was a pretty good and pretty representative
story.)
> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
You might want to reread the article a bit more carefully.
(Or is it just that you can't take the minor criticism that the article
included? Which I would argue was a pretty good and pretty representative
story.)
Jun 24th 2004, 3:14 pm
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Sjoerd wrote:
> "Jeremy Henderson" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news
[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:52:51 +0200, Sjoerd wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Henderson" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> > > news[email protected]...
> > >> Apparently you didn't, and still don't, as you continue to argue with
a
> > >> straw man of your own making.
> > >
> > > I see you are avoiding a discussion. Your choice.
> >
> > I'm happy to discuss something. I'm not happy to defend a point of view
> > that is precisely the opposite of the one I hold simply to accommodate
the
> > laziness of the reader. My choice.
> You are avoiding a discussion. Your choice.
All this contretemps over a modest little eyeglass case!
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> "Jeremy Henderson" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news
[email protected]...> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:52:51 +0200, Sjoerd wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Henderson" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> > > news
[email protected]...> > >> Apparently you didn't, and still don't, as you continue to argue with
a
> > >> straw man of your own making.
> > >
> > > I see you are avoiding a discussion. Your choice.
> >
> > I'm happy to discuss something. I'm not happy to defend a point of view
> > that is precisely the opposite of the one I hold simply to accommodate
the
> > laziness of the reader. My choice.
> You are avoiding a discussion. Your choice.
All this contretemps over a modest little eyeglass case!
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Jun 24th 2004, 3:17 pm
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Jeremy Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:51:23 +0000, devil wrote:
> > Kind of funny that the tongue-in-cheek article is drawing so much fire
for
> > all sorts of quarters though.
> Funny, but also disappointing that everyone is so keen to join in the
> party and run their self-righteousness up a flagpole that they've missed
> the fact that point I was making was precisely the opposite from the one
> they are so eager to criticise me for.
> Oh well...
I thought it was an interesting little "slice of life" story and not an
indictment of things French at all...it was simply an observation of how
things are done in a country different from one's own.
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> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:51:23 +0000, devil wrote:
> > Kind of funny that the tongue-in-cheek article is drawing so much fire
for
> > all sorts of quarters though.
> Funny, but also disappointing that everyone is so keen to join in the
> party and run their self-righteousness up a flagpole that they've missed
> the fact that point I was making was precisely the opposite from the one
> they are so eager to criticise me for.
> Oh well...
I thought it was an interesting little "slice of life" story and not an
indictment of things French at all...it was simply an observation of how
things are done in a country different from one's own.
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Greg
Jun 24th 2004, 4:18 pm
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Re: `typical French experience
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:53:15 +0200, Giacomo discover.it wrote:
> Please someone from UK, who has 20 minutes to waste, go to a large shop
> and ask to buy an Oakley sunglasses bag.
>
> Do so just to show this guy how wrong he is to complain.
http://www.google.com/search?q=oakle...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
What shall we do with the remaining 19 minutes?
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> Please someone from UK, who has 20 minutes to waste, go to a large shop
> and ask to buy an Oakley sunglasses bag.
>
> Do so just to show this guy how wrong he is to complain.
http://www.google.com/search?q=oakle...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Jun 24th 2004, 4:20 pm
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:23:04 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>
>> I'm NOT a tourist, and I don't think I would be mistaken for one.
>
> Do you speak with an accent?
Undoubtedly. But not many tourists wander round carrying a briefcase and
wearing a company ID badge.
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> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>
>> I'm NOT a tourist, and I don't think I would be mistaken for one.
>
> Do you speak with an accent?
Undoubtedly. But not many tourists wander round carrying a briefcase and
wearing a company ID badge.
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Jun 24th 2004, 4:24 pm
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:46:26 -0700, JX Bardant wrote:
> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
Eh? I write an account of a kind French person, entitle it "typical", and
that's "grunting against France"??
>>or bemoaned the whole fact of living in that
>> country- quite the opposite.
>
> This has nothing to do with it. French colons in Africa liked the place
> they were living in too, but that was not preventing them from being
> racist.
Hahahahaa - so if you don't like France you should get a life, and if you
do like France you're a racist. What a clown!
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> The title of the thread is "typical French experience". If this is not
> grunting against France, or more exactly against French people, per se
> I don't know what it is.
Eh? I write an account of a kind French person, entitle it "typical", and
that's "grunting against France"??
>>or bemoaned the whole fact of living in that
>> country- quite the opposite.
>
> This has nothing to do with it. French colons in Africa liked the place
> they were living in too, but that was not preventing them from being
> racist.
Hahahahaa - so if you don't like France you should get a life, and if you
do like France you're a racist. What a clown!
J;
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