Kris

Hi there - flying from Europe to Hong Kong via Moscow with Aeroflot.

3-hour stop-over in Moscow. What's the airport like, your regular
airport same as a thousand airports in the world???

Never flown via that part of the world, guess it's the same as
South-East Asia and China? Want to avoid any unpleasant
bribery/corruption issues while in transit (or did I see too many
movies?


Kris

Sjoerd

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    > Hi there - flying from Europe to Hong Kong via Moscow with Aeroflot.
    > 3-hour stop-over in Moscow. What's the airport like, your regular
    > airport same as a thousand airports in the world???
    > Never flown via that part of the world, guess it's the same as
    > South-East Asia and China? Want to avoid any unpleasant
    > bribery/corruption issues while in transit (or did I see too many
    > movies?

Moscow has more than one airport, but most likely you will use Sheremetsyevo
2, which is easily the worst and ugliest airport terminal in the world.
Dark, smoky and generally unpleasant. But you will most likely survive those
three hours, and just be glad that you will only be in transit because 1)
immigration / passport control lines are horrible for arriving / departing
passengers and 2) Moscow, IMHO, is a terrible city.

Sjoerd

Kris

Thanx for the reply!

So I assume passengers in transit are not hassled by police,
immigration,... and whoever else happens to be wearing a uniform?

Can't wait to get back to Hong Kong so I guess I'll survive a
terrible Russian airport.


Kris


On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:18:40 +0100, "Sjoerd" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Kris" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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    >> Hi there - flying from Europe to Hong Kong via Moscow with Aeroflot.
    >> 3-hour stop-over in Moscow. What's the airport like, your regular
    >> airport same as a thousand airports in the world???
    >> Never flown via that part of the world, guess it's the same as
    >> South-East Asia and China? Want to avoid any unpleasant
    >> bribery/corruption issues while in transit (or did I see too many
    >> movies?
    >Moscow has more than one airport, but most likely you will use Sheremetsyevo
    >2, which is easily the worst and ugliest airport terminal in the world.
    >Dark, smoky and generally unpleasant. But you will most likely survive those
    >three hours, and just be glad that you will only be in transit because 1)
    >immigration / passport control lines are horrible for arriving / departing
    >passengers and 2) Moscow, IMHO, is a terrible city.
    >Sjoerd

Sjoerd

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    > Thanx for the reply!
    > So I assume passengers in transit are not hassled by police,
    > immigration,... and whoever else happens to be wearing a uniform?

No. No problems with officials when you are only in transit.

    > Can't wait to get back to Hong Kong so I guess I'll survive a
    > terrible Russian airport.

Hong Kong is fantastic!

Sjoerd

Henry

Kris <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hi there - flying from Europe to Hong Kong via Moscow with Aeroflot.
    >
    > 3-hour stop-over in Moscow. What's the airport like, your regular
    > airport same as a thousand airports in the world???

I haven't been through there since '96 but at that time there was an
Irish pub run by Irishmen. In other words, 'same as a thousand airports
in the world'. :-)

cheers,

Henry

Markku GröNroos

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    > Thanx for the reply!
    > So I assume passengers in transit are not hassled by police,
    > immigration,... and whoever else happens to be wearing a uniform?
Hardly. The staff can be very rude though. Sheremetyevo is a grand piece of
shit. For stays of a couple of hours, it will do just fine. Prices for many
services are horrific though. You can get refreshments cheaply at taxfree
shops.

Sd

Kris wrote:

    > Hi there - flying from Europe to Hong Kong via Moscow with Aeroflot.
    >
    > 3-hour stop-over in Moscow. What's the airport like, your regular
    > airport same as a thousand airports in the world???
    >
    > Never flown via that part of the world, guess it's the same as
    > South-East Asia and China? Want to avoid any unpleasant
    > bribery/corruption issues while in transit (or did I see too many
    > movies?
    >
    >
    > Kris
    >
My parents flew to US by Aeroflot. THe flight was nice according to them
but Aeroflot misplaced their luggage, it is almost impossible to get any
sort of compensation out of them except a measly 50$ or something. They
found the bags after one month and delivered them to me. But the flight
from India - Moscow - US was much cheaper than other airlines. They got
a free upgrade to business class on one leg too.

John

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Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
bucks. jh
    > >
    > My parents flew to US by Aeroflot. THe flight was nice according to them
    > but Aeroflot misplaced their luggage, it is almost impossible to get any
    > sort of compensation out of them except a measly 50$ or something. They
    > found the bags after one month and delivered them to me. But the flight
    > from India - Moscow - US was much cheaper than other airlines. They got
    > a free upgrade to business class on one leg too.

Markku GröNroos

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    > Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
    > risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
    > bucks. jh

You are pathetic.

Jacuo

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    > > Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
    > > risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
    > > bucks. jh
    > You are pathetic.

Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US airline
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Tchiowa

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    > > >
    > > > Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
    > > > risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
    > > > bucks. jh
    > >
    > > You are pathetic.
    >
    > Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US airline

?????

Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third
world. Reminds me of Nigeria.

I second what the poster said above. It's amazing that people will
risk their lives to save a few dollars.

Reminds me of a thread here a couple of years ago where people were
recommending PIA because they allowed smoking.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Markku GröNroos

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    > > > > Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and
will
    > > > > risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
    > > > > bucks. jh
    > > >
    > > > You are pathetic.
    > >
    > > Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US
airline
    > ?????
    > Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
    > of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third

You are pansy. I have once witnessed a prolonged landing in a flight from
Moscow to Helsinki by a Tupolev 154. We had a chance to see nice views over
the capital region. When we finally touched the runaway there were lots of
ambulances waiting us. We were never told the reason for this. Perhaps the
landing gear or some meters didn't work orderly. It happens.

    > world. Reminds me of Nigeria.
Have you ever been to the Lagos International Airport? Sheremtyevo is dull
(and cold as it is a big bird cage), however this suggests nothing on
robustness of Aeroflot flights. As well, we could say that don't fly KLMs
because the Lagos airport is so horrendous a place.

    > I second what the poster said above. It's amazing that people will
    > risk their lives to save a few dollars.
It is amazing only for very subjective reasons. Some people see Mary
Poppinses and Peter Pans along with pink elephants. Many people have seen
angels. This is amazing. Miraculous actually. I never attend AA flights from
the US east coast.

John Doe

    >Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out of me.<

A friend of mine traveled to Russia, and flew Aeroflot on one international and
several internal flights. He was part of a group of scientists and business
types invited by the government there to observe manufacturing and scientific
installations for the purpose of gaining help from the West. As such, they were
flown "first class" everywhere. He brought back a collection of pictures of
beat up aircraft and balding or damaged tires on the landing gear, and those
were the aircraft that he actually flew on. There were also stories of poorly
insulated and very uncomfortable passenger cabins. Unless things have improved
over the past couple of years, I would avoid that airline if possible.

JDoe

Chris Blunt

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:46:15 +0200, "Markku Grönroos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> world. Reminds me of Nigeria.
    >Have you ever been to the Lagos International Airport? Sheremtyevo is dull
    >(and cold as it is a big bird cage), however this suggests nothing on
    >robustness of Aeroflot flights.

No, but I don't think it was meant to. It was supposed to be an
answers to the other part of his question about what Moscow airport is
like.

Chris Blunt

On 9 Dec 2003 01:25:59 -0800, [email protected] (Tchiowa) wrote:

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    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > > Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
    >> > > risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
    >> > > bucks. jh
    >> >
    >> > You are pathetic.
    >>
    >> Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US airline
    >?????
    >Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
    >of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third
    >world. Reminds me of Nigeria.
    >I second what the poster said above. It's amazing that people will
    >risk their lives to save a few dollars.

You're correct in saying that people are increasing their risks to
save money, but you also need to take into account the actual level of
that risk rather than simply compare it. If there's, say, a one in two
million chance of being killed on a US airline, compared with a one in
a million chance on Aeroflot, then for me either would still be an
acceptable level.

What amazes me is how people are quite happy to take much higher risks
in their everyday lives and then put so much effort into unnecessarily
worrying about the airline they're going to fly on.