Portugese Politics
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re: Portugese Politics
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Whether I agree with the rules on voting after leaving a country or not, it seems that majority of ex-pats loose their right to vote after 10 years unless they remain on the UK electoral system. Why then are ex-pats willing to fight and bicker over something they are no longer a part of I don't understand. If you're angry, write to your member of parliament, if you don't have an MP or a vote then concentrate on getting one.
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Whether I agree with the rules on voting after leaving a country or not, it seems that majority of ex-pats loose their right to vote after 10 years unless they remain on the UK electoral system. Why then are ex-pats willing to fight and bicker over something they are no longer a part of I don't understand. If you're angry, write to your member of parliament, if you don't have an MP or a vote then concentrate on getting one.
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re: Portugese Politics
Well not if you refuse to recognize objectively true facts, it isn't.
I don't care if your stance is "I like the EU and I like their laws", that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take (though one I happen to not agree with ), but to deny that the EU mandates some laws that countries must pass, is to deny reality.
I don't care if your stance is "I like the EU and I like their laws", that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take (though one I happen to not agree with ), but to deny that the EU mandates some laws that countries must pass, is to deny reality.
You wouldn't recognize an "objectively true fact" if you fell over over one. For you. the only true facts are whatever you happen believe. Anyone who has a different opinion must be wrong.
carvoeiro and I want to discuss issues like this on this forum because we don't know everything. We come here to hopefully get a better understanding of the issues. Having to deal with closed-minded individuals who think they know everything doesn't help.
P.S.
As for the issue of EU mandates. Of course Britain has to comply. They agreed to do so when they joined the EU. When has anyone suggested otherwise?
Do your beliefs extend to the notion of "keeping you word", or is it OK to renege on things you've agreed to do, because you don't like it!
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re: Portugese Politics
Inners are in & outers are out & never the twain shall meet to misquote Kipling.
The truth is that each side of the argument believe they're right and the other wrong and neither are going to change their minds but the fact is the referendum is done & the decision made so I'm not really sure there's any point in debating the subject.
Democracy is what it is and whether individuals like it or not, Trump is President, Le Pen isn't, Brexit has been decided upon and no amount of argument is going to alter those facts.
The truth is that each side of the argument believe they're right and the other wrong and neither are going to change their minds but the fact is the referendum is done & the decision made so I'm not really sure there's any point in debating the subject.
Democracy is what it is and whether individuals like it or not, Trump is President, Le Pen isn't, Brexit has been decided upon and no amount of argument is going to alter those facts.
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re: Portugese Politics
Inners are in & outers are out & never the twain shall meet to misquote Kipling.
The truth is that each side of the argument believe they're right and the other wrong and neither are going to change their minds but the fact is the referendum is done & the decision made so I'm not really sure there's any point in debating the subject.
Democracy is what it is and whether individuals like it or not, Trump is President, Le Pen isn't, Brexit has been decided upon and no amount of argument is going to alter those facts.
The truth is that each side of the argument believe they're right and the other wrong and neither are going to change their minds but the fact is the referendum is done & the decision made so I'm not really sure there's any point in debating the subject.
Democracy is what it is and whether individuals like it or not, Trump is President, Le Pen isn't, Brexit has been decided upon and no amount of argument is going to alter those facts.
For your information, unlike you, I don't believe I'm right.
I recognize that I don't understand everything. If people present a logical. well researched argument supporting their ideas then I'm willing to change my views. In fact this is exactly what I want to do!
However, I also recognize that such an argument will never come from people like you, because you are actually foolish enough to believe that you are right!
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re: Portugese Politics
Once again you don't read and understand. You just carry on with the same mindless waffle.
For your information, unlike you, I don't believe I'm right.
I recognize that I don't understand everything. If people present a logical. well researched argument supporting their ideas then I'm willing to change my views. In fact this is exactly what I want to do!
However, I also recognize that such an argument will never come from people like you, because you are actually foolish enough to believe that you are right!
For your information, unlike you, I don't believe I'm right.
I recognize that I don't understand everything. If people present a logical. well researched argument supporting their ideas then I'm willing to change my views. In fact this is exactly what I want to do!
However, I also recognize that such an argument will never come from people like you, because you are actually foolish enough to believe that you are right!
We've all been through umpteen pages of the same old tosh on the TIO forum & it's still the same entrenched views being expressed & no-one has or will change their mind.
Like it or not, the issue has been decided so the remainers might just as well get used to what they can't change & hey, as I've said before, they can always exercise their democratic right to petition their elected representative for a rejoin referendum if they so choose.
I'd suggest they don't hold their breath on it happening any time soon though.
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re: Portugese Politics
Well excuse me for daring to express an opinion! Bwahahahahahahaha!
Typical mfesharne knee jerk response when someone disagrees him
We've all been through umpteen pages of the same old tosh on the TIO forum & it's still the same entrenched views being expressed & no-one has or will change their mind.
Then why don't you just go away and leave us alone! By the way, most of that "same old tosh" was written by you!
Like it or not, the issue has been decided so the remainers might just as well get used to what they can't change & hey, as I've said before, they can always exercise their democratic right to petition their elected representative for a rejoin referendum if they so choose.
I'd suggest they don't hold their breath on it happening any time soon though.
Nothing to do with what we are discussing!!
Typical mfesharne knee jerk response when someone disagrees him
We've all been through umpteen pages of the same old tosh on the TIO forum & it's still the same entrenched views being expressed & no-one has or will change their mind.
Then why don't you just go away and leave us alone! By the way, most of that "same old tosh" was written by you!
Like it or not, the issue has been decided so the remainers might just as well get used to what they can't change & hey, as I've said before, they can always exercise their democratic right to petition their elected representative for a rejoin referendum if they so choose.
I'd suggest they don't hold their breath on it happening any time soon though.
Nothing to do with what we are discussing!!
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re: Portugese Politics
Yes & just to be sure, I re-read it again & it's still the same old infantile insult hurling Ad Hominem tosh you usually post.
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.
I'm sure that in real life, you're none of those things but if you want to debate or discuss I think you need to do so according to the rules of the forum & with politeness.
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.
I'm sure that in real life, you're none of those things but if you want to debate or discuss I think you need to do so according to the rules of the forum & with politeness.
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re: Portugese Politics
Yes & just to be sure, I re-read it again & it's still the same old infantile insult hurling Ad Hominem tosh you usually post.
Thank you for demonstrating your understanding of the rules of polite discourse Am I likely to ever get a specific response to the issues I raised?
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.
What did you just do in the previous paragraph?? Don't you realise that that is your strategy, and the reason why so many people have a problem with You.?
I'm sure that in real life, you're none of those things but if you want to debate or discuss I think you need to do so according to the rules of the forum & with politeness.
People have come on here and stated that in real life you are a decent bloke. There is nothing decent about this post
Thank you for demonstrating your understanding of the rules of polite discourse Am I likely to ever get a specific response to the issues I raised?
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.
What did you just do in the previous paragraph?? Don't you realise that that is your strategy, and the reason why so many people have a problem with You.?
I'm sure that in real life, you're none of those things but if you want to debate or discuss I think you need to do so according to the rules of the forum & with politeness.
People have come on here and stated that in real life you are a decent bloke. There is nothing decent about this post
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re: Portugese Politics
You might like to read this: http://britishexpats.com/forum/portu...-forum-895845/
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
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re: Portugese Politics
You might like to read this: http://britishexpats.com/forum/portu...-forum-895845/
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
#26
re: Portugese Politics
You state this:
But then you respond to someone else with this:
and this:
Can you explain to me why you consider one to be demeaning but three of them are fine for you to use?
How about you rise above what you consider rude and demeaning and maybe then others will treat you accordingly. Rule 1 of the Site Rules:
BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.
Instead of attacking back, try either being polite or using the report button.
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Originally Posted by mfesharne View Post
Yes & just to be sure, I re-read it again & it's still the same old infantile insult hurling Ad Hominem tosh you usually post.
Thank you for demonstrating your understanding of the rules of polite discourse Am I likely to ever get a specific response to the issues I raised?
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.I think you just confirmed the issues I raised in post #19
Originally Posted by mfesharne View Post
Yes & just to be sure, I re-read it again & it's still the same old infantile insult hurling Ad Hominem tosh you usually post.
Thank you for demonstrating your understanding of the rules of polite discourse Am I likely to ever get a specific response to the issues I raised?
You seem to think attacking the man rather than debating the issue wins you the argument whereas it just makes you appear childish, illogical & immature.I think you just confirmed the issues I raised in post #19
Can you explain to me why you consider one to be demeaning but three of them are fine for you to use?
How about you rise above what you consider rude and demeaning and maybe then others will treat you accordingly. Rule 1 of the Site Rules:
BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.
Instead of attacking back, try either being polite or using the report button.
#27
re: Portugese Politics
You might like to read this: http://britishexpats.com/forum/portu...-forum-895845/
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
The lady has a very good point.
And with that, I'm off on this one because it's just going round & round in circles.
#28
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re: Portugese Politics
You state this:
But then you respond to someone else with this:
and this:
Can you explain to me why you consider one to be demeaning but three of them are fine for you to use?
How about you rise above what you consider rude and demeaning and maybe then others will treat you accordingly. Rule 1 of the Site Rules:
BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.
Instead of attacking back, try either being polite or using the report button.
But then you respond to someone else with this:
and this:
Can you explain to me why you consider one to be demeaning but three of them are fine for you to use?
How about you rise above what you consider rude and demeaning and maybe then others will treat you accordingly. Rule 1 of the Site Rules:
BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.
Instead of attacking back, try either being polite or using the report button.
The three rolleyes were an obvious and deliberate exaggeration and therefore not genuinely intended. They were used to let mfesharne know how people feel when they receive them from him. I have never used them in any other context.
I don't believe that my comments have violated forum rules. At all times I have been careful to criticize his opinions and his behavior, and not him personally. I don't think he can say the same the same thing.
If my rolleye response was inappropriate then I apologise to the moderators. It won't happen again.
#29
re: Portugese Politics
I think you need to read my response in context.
The three rolleyes were an obvious and deliberate exaggeration and therefore not genuinely intended. They were used to let mfesharne know how people feel when they receive them from him. I have never used them in any other context.
I don't believe that my comments have violated forum rules. At all times I have been careful to criticize his opinions and his behavior, and not him personally. I don't think he can say the same the same thing.
If my rolleye response was inappropriate then I apologise to the moderators. It won't happen again.
The three rolleyes were an obvious and deliberate exaggeration and therefore not genuinely intended. They were used to let mfesharne know how people feel when they receive them from him. I have never used them in any other context.
I don't believe that my comments have violated forum rules. At all times I have been careful to criticize his opinions and his behavior, and not him personally. I don't think he can say the same the same thing.
If my rolleye response was inappropriate then I apologise to the moderators. It won't happen again.