The Portugal Saloon
May 14th 2017, 10:32 pm
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
& this made me really giggle too.
I'm so glad I looked into here this morning.
Some wonderful posts and good smiles as a bonus.
Some wonderful posts and good smiles as a bonus.
But this is an Apple product - surely you have to connect it with a cable that nobody else uses and upload via iTunes, paying for the privilege....
May 15th 2017, 7:03 am
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
Rua Mestre Guilherme Camarinha, Porto ("mestreh geellyerme camareenya", in case you don't know
- he was a painter)
Google really is your friend! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=MTE+Guilherme+Camarinha&oq=MTE+Guilherme+ Camarinha&aqs=chrome..69i57.1129j0j7&{google:bookm arkBarPinned}sourceid=chrome&{google
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Good Luck
- he was a painter)Google really is your friend! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=MTE+Guilherme+Camarinha&oq=MTE+Guilherme+ Camarinha&aqs=chrome..69i57.1129j0j7&{google:bookm arkBarPinned}sourceid=chrome&{google
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May 15th 2017, 8:46 am
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
The evidence I have is taken from the same period castle that Katherine of Aragon lived in(and wrote about) Ludlow castle. She was the first Royal person to demand a bath to be brought to her room..and servants had to first boil and then haul buckets of water to her room. They thought she was mad and bound to die from contact with water. I don't know what period your wife studied..but I'm taking Katherine's word for it.. sorry.
Ludlow had basic plumbing - Hampton court had fantastic plumbing for the age
So Katherine invented the first en-suite - good for her
the general population thought contact with water when you were ill was bad for you - one of the big killers in that era was 'sweating sickness' which appeared in historic terms not long after the 'black death'
But the evidence seems to point to some basic hygeine as the norm at other times - what was definite was that everybody believed washing hair was bad for you - so nobody every did it
In 1568, Ambroise Pare, the royal surgeon who lived to see the reigns of Henry II, Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, warned that when this diabolical substance came near an unsuspecting victim, “the flesh and the whole disposition of the body are softened and the pores open, and as a result, pestiferous vapour can rapidly enter the body and cause sudden death, as has frequently been observed.” - he was talking about water of course
just to bring the thread back to Granada
The 'real' stinkers in that era were the Catholics who believed that bathing and being naked were a form of blasphemy
In Spain, the Christian doctrines taught that bathing was a corrupt practice that could only lead to nakedness which was considered a blasphemy potentially punished by death at the stake at that time.
After the conquest of Granada, the Moors not only had to give up their religion to survive the Inquisition, they also had to give up bathing.
Isabella and Ferdinand ordered the Moorish baths to be destroyed and bathing was strictly forbidden - this continued - Phillip II banned the remaining bath houses throughout Spain in 1576.
May 15th 2017, 8:59 am
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
You're welcome - I hope your wife is feeling better.
Porto is a great city, I used to visit regularly, but haven't been for the past few years. There was a small restaurant down behind the old Palacio da Bolsa, "O Bom Talher" - we were staying in the Hotel da Bolsa and asked the staff where they ate .... when one called the food "divinal", we were hooked! Prices were good, wine was excellent (I ended up buying a case!) and the owner was friendly. That was a good few years back, but according to Trip Advisor it seems to have maintained that standard.
Porto is a great city, I used to visit regularly, but haven't been for the past few years. There was a small restaurant down behind the old Palacio da Bolsa, "O Bom Talher" - we were staying in the Hotel da Bolsa and asked the staff where they ate .... when one called the food "divinal", we were hooked! Prices were good, wine was excellent (I ended up buying a case!) and the owner was friendly. That was a good few years back, but according to Trip Advisor it seems to have maintained that standard.
May 15th 2017, 9:10 am
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
You're welcome - I hope your wife is feeling better.
Porto is a great city, I used to visit regularly, but haven't been for the past few years. There was a small restaurant down behind the old Palacio da Bolsa, "O Bom Talher" - we were staying in the Hotel da Bolsa and asked the staff where they ate .... when one called the food "divinal", we were hooked! Prices were good, wine was excellent (I ended up buying a case!) and the owner was friendly. That was a good few years back, but according to Trip Advisor it seems to have maintained that standard.
Porto is a great city, I used to visit regularly, but haven't been for the past few years. There was a small restaurant down behind the old Palacio da Bolsa, "O Bom Talher" - we were staying in the Hotel da Bolsa and asked the staff where they ate .... when one called the food "divinal", we were hooked! Prices were good, wine was excellent (I ended up buying a case!) and the owner was friendly. That was a good few years back, but according to Trip Advisor it seems to have maintained that standard.
Rosemary
May 15th 2017, 1:54 pm
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
Another trick I find useful in a new area is to look in the car parks for builder's trucks because they always seem to find the best food at the best prices.
May 15th 2017, 2:28 pm
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
Ludlows a lovely place - the Welsh borders are beautiful
Ludlow had basic plumbing - Hampton court had fantastic plumbing for the age
So Katherine invented the first en-suite - good for her
the general population thought contact with water when you were ill was bad for you - one of the big killers in that era was 'sweating sickness' which appeared in historic terms not long after the 'black death'
But the evidence seems to point to some basic hygeine as the norm at other times - what was definite was that everybody believed washing hair was bad for you - so nobody every did it
In 1568, Ambroise Pare, the royal surgeon who lived to see the reigns of Henry II, Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, warned that when this diabolical substance came near an unsuspecting victim, “the flesh and the whole disposition of the body are softened and the pores open, and as a result, pestiferous vapour can rapidly enter the body and cause sudden death, as has frequently been observed.” - he was talking about water of course
just to bring the thread back to Granada
The 'real' stinkers in that era were the Catholics who believed that bathing and being naked were a form of blasphemy
In Spain, the Christian doctrines taught that bathing was a corrupt practice that could only lead to nakedness which was considered a blasphemy potentially punished by death at the stake at that time.
After the conquest of Granada, the Moors not only had to give up their religion to survive the Inquisition, they also had to give up bathing.
Isabella and Ferdinand ordered the Moorish baths to be destroyed and bathing was strictly forbidden - this continued - Phillip II banned the remaining bath houses throughout Spain in 1576.
Ludlow had basic plumbing - Hampton court had fantastic plumbing for the age
So Katherine invented the first en-suite - good for her
the general population thought contact with water when you were ill was bad for you - one of the big killers in that era was 'sweating sickness' which appeared in historic terms not long after the 'black death'
But the evidence seems to point to some basic hygeine as the norm at other times - what was definite was that everybody believed washing hair was bad for you - so nobody every did it
In 1568, Ambroise Pare, the royal surgeon who lived to see the reigns of Henry II, Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, warned that when this diabolical substance came near an unsuspecting victim, “the flesh and the whole disposition of the body are softened and the pores open, and as a result, pestiferous vapour can rapidly enter the body and cause sudden death, as has frequently been observed.” - he was talking about water of course
just to bring the thread back to Granada
The 'real' stinkers in that era were the Catholics who believed that bathing and being naked were a form of blasphemy
In Spain, the Christian doctrines taught that bathing was a corrupt practice that could only lead to nakedness which was considered a blasphemy potentially punished by death at the stake at that time.
After the conquest of Granada, the Moors not only had to give up their religion to survive the Inquisition, they also had to give up bathing.
Isabella and Ferdinand ordered the Moorish baths to be destroyed and bathing was strictly forbidden - this continued - Phillip II banned the remaining bath houses throughout Spain in 1576.
First the Romans tried to clean us up...and failed.. Then the muslims...and failed...Poor Katherine's young husband Arthur died of the sweating sickness after only 5 months of marriage.at Ludlow castle . You would have thought they might have wondered why it was him and not Katherine, if water was so dangerous 
May 15th 2017, 2:35 pm
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
May 15th 2017, 3:15 pm
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http://britishexpats.com/forum/image...nsertimage.gif
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Its easier than it looks.
From the Reply to Thread page, scroll down to Attach Files and click on Manage Attachments. From Upload File from your Computer, click Choose File, Choose your file from the Finder and click Upload. You will then see your file in Current Attachments (still in the Manage Attachments page) control-click on the file name and select Copy Link (from a standard Mac popup list). Back in the message writing area click on http://britishexpats.com/forum/image...nsertimage.gif and paste your image link.
Its easier than it looks.
It might be easy for you Zoff but it refused to work for meI got as far as the last line 'click on http etc (as I decided to reply to you I had two lines of http to choose from!!) Neither address responded to a click..?
.I did however manage to download a humungous full screen photo of the Alhambra in all it's glory.
It would have taken up an entire page of threads...had it appeared... God knows where it is now? 
May 15th 2017, 3:59 pm
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
Agggghhhhhh It might be easy for you Zoff but it refused to work for me
I got as far as the last line 'click on http etc (as I decided to reply to you I had two lines of http to choose from!!) Neither address responded to a click..?
.I did however manage to download a humungous full screen photo of the Alhambra in all it's glory. It would have taken up an entire page of threads...had it appeared... God knows where it is now?
It might be easy for you Zoff but it refused to work for meI got as far as the last line 'click on http etc (as I decided to reply to you I had two lines of http to choose from!!) Neither address responded to a click..?
.I did however manage to download a humungous full screen photo of the Alhambra in all it's glory.
It would have taken up an entire page of threads...had it appeared... God knows where it is now? Maybe this screen video will help:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/twxmk32q5p...image.mov?dl=0
May 16th 2017, 7:53 am
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Re: The Portugal Saloon
Interesting inquest of the Eurovision voting. The UK entry scored 111 points which consisted of 99 points from the juries and only 12 points from the public vote.
Only four countries gave any points - Ireland (4 points), Malta (4 points), Australia (3 points) and of the non-English speaking countries only Spain gave anything (1 point).
The public vote is a popularity contest, draw your own conclusions..........
Only four countries gave any points - Ireland (4 points), Malta (4 points), Australia (3 points) and of the non-English speaking countries only Spain gave anything (1 point).
The public vote is a popularity contest, draw your own conclusions..........
May 16th 2017, 7:58 am
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May 16th 2017, 8:08 am
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