panic buying?
Mar 12th 2020, 5:06 pm
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Re: panic buying?
Portugal now has 78 cases with almost 5,000 people under observation including the Prime Minister who has gone into voluntary quarantine after visiting a school where a pupil had the virus . Has Boris done the same yet ?. Shame on him if he hasn't . The new 'hub' is now going to be Portimao and potentially Lagos as rumour has it that 9 pupils at a school there have the virus caught from the teacher in Portimao who also taught in Lagos. ( this last isn't confirmed as yet ) OH was asked where he had come from when he went to pick up his test results from Sao Gonzales hospital this morning .(If it was Portimao you had to wash your hands with disinfectant gel and wear a mask) I had to visit a specialist in Faro on Monday and it was the same then . They are trying hard to contain the spread in the hospitals. I was shocked to read that 28 nursing staff at a Tilburg hospital in the Netherlands were infected. How could that be in a place where you are supposed to wash your hands every few minutes as a nurse.?
The Koreans and Chinese seem to have got a handle on it pretty quickly with their measures. Also surprised to read that whilst the Koreans are testing 10,000 people a day. The Americans have managed 4,000 in total and don't have any more testing kits. WTF? Trumps answer is to shut off all flights form Europe apart from Britain and Ireland ? what ?
The Koreans and Chinese seem to have got a handle on it pretty quickly with their measures. Also surprised to read that whilst the Koreans are testing 10,000 people a day. The Americans have managed 4,000 in total and don't have any more testing kits. WTF? Trumps answer is to shut off all flights form Europe apart from Britain and Ireland ? what ?
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Mar 12th 2020, 6:37 pm
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Re: panic buying?
no its not too late yet.....but it will be in 4 weeks time. Live and learn from others.
other countries have stopped all flights from Italy.
My concern is turning up at a UK airport when 5 mns before a flight from Milan came in....all in the arrivals hall mixed together...for how long........brilliant.
I was told by Stansted that they are working under WHO advice.....therfore nothing special being done.
But of course WHO is controlled by both govs and big business.
As you say maybe not a big deal to those in perfect health and under 50, but a lot of over 50s, even more over 60s and even more still aged 70+ do have other health issues, and so are more susceptible....thats why again I feel that the reporting should include children, as a probable major factor in spreading the virus.....they prob dont even know they have it
Just my thoughts.
But I now make sure I keep away from all children...
other countries have stopped all flights from Italy.
My concern is turning up at a UK airport when 5 mns before a flight from Milan came in....all in the arrivals hall mixed together...for how long........brilliant.
I was told by Stansted that they are working under WHO advice.....therfore nothing special being done.
But of course WHO is controlled by both govs and big business.
As you say maybe not a big deal to those in perfect health and under 50, but a lot of over 50s, even more over 60s and even more still aged 70+ do have other health issues, and so are more susceptible....thats why again I feel that the reporting should include children, as a probable major factor in spreading the virus.....they prob dont even know they have it
Just my thoughts.
But I now make sure I keep away from all children...
App. kids show no symptoms when infected.
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Mar 14th 2020, 10:25 am
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Re: panic buying?
Latest purchase limits placed on shops in UK, in light of the Coronavirus due to panic buying;
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and a 4 pack of toilet rolls.
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack of toilet rolls.
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g of Foie Gras.
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and a wetsuit.
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and a 4 pack of toilet rolls.
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack of toilet rolls.
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g of Foie Gras.
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and a wetsuit.
Mar 14th 2020, 11:19 am
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Re: panic buying?
Aldi has mig welders in?
Got any specs on them?
I missed the plasma cutter at Lidl... sniff.
Got any specs on them?
I missed the plasma cutter at Lidl... sniff.
Mar 14th 2020, 7:55 pm
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Re: panic buying?
Macliam - a sensible, measured post from you.
Many posts make irrelevant comparisons with other sources of morbidity and mortality. This issue has to be addressed with competence and gravity...it ain’t the flu!
Back to topic, it is surely sensible to ensure you have reserves of food and other household consumables since supply chains could become erratic and unreliable - though they will re-establish. I think that to call such stockpiling panic buying really downgrades the motivations of individuals who are actually taking sensible steps (though maybe not always in sensible quantities)
Many posts make irrelevant comparisons with other sources of morbidity and mortality. This issue has to be addressed with competence and gravity...it ain’t the flu!
Back to topic, it is surely sensible to ensure you have reserves of food and other household consumables since supply chains could become erratic and unreliable - though they will re-establish. I think that to call such stockpiling panic buying really downgrades the motivations of individuals who are actually taking sensible steps (though maybe not always in sensible quantities)
Mar 14th 2020, 9:35 pm
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Re: panic buying?
This virus is spreading exponentially; the spread of infection is unknown, as most people get few symptoms and testing is expensive.
There is a lag of a few weeks before sickness and more before death occurs.
Only the dead are counted accurately.
In a few weeks, we'll have a better idea of what the infection rate was today.
If you have any respiratory condition, or are immune compromised due to disease or medication, the risk may become serious.
It has happened with previous pandemics that the virus mutated into a less deadly form. A more deadly form would kill it's host sooner and fail to spread as rapidly, while a less deadly form does the opposite, spreading rapidly and effectively through non symptomatic hosts.
And vaccinating them.
Maybe the corona virus will also go this course, maybe not.
As with those other causes of death listed above, I will do my best to safeguard myself and family from it.
Maybe a couple of months from now, I'll be branded a fool for my unnecessary caution.
How embarrassing.
Or maybe the disease will go the other way, and a lot of people will die.
I hope to be called a hysterical fool when this is over.
The alternative is that caution is justified.
There is a lag of a few weeks before sickness and more before death occurs.
Only the dead are counted accurately.
In a few weeks, we'll have a better idea of what the infection rate was today.
If you have any respiratory condition, or are immune compromised due to disease or medication, the risk may become serious.
It has happened with previous pandemics that the virus mutated into a less deadly form. A more deadly form would kill it's host sooner and fail to spread as rapidly, while a less deadly form does the opposite, spreading rapidly and effectively through non symptomatic hosts.
And vaccinating them.
Maybe the corona virus will also go this course, maybe not.
As with those other causes of death listed above, I will do my best to safeguard myself and family from it.
Maybe a couple of months from now, I'll be branded a fool for my unnecessary caution.
How embarrassing.
Or maybe the disease will go the other way, and a lot of people will die.
I hope to be called a hysterical fool when this is over.
The alternative is that caution is justified.
Mar 14th 2020, 10:17 pm
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Re: panic buying?
Let’s not let this whole thing make us forget exactly who we are - human. I’d rather die being that then ignoring my fellow human being, young or old.
We are in this together and as long as we are sensible and careful we can only do our best for each other.
This will make us not break us.
We are in this together and as long as we are sensible and careful we can only do our best for each other.
This will make us not break us.
Mar 14th 2020, 10:31 pm
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Re: panic buying?
Monday I'm going to buy enough supplies for 2 or 3 weeks.
Big quantities of everything.
No toilet roll though!
I'll leave it for other people.
I'm so very altruistic.
Big quantities of everything.
No toilet roll though!
I'll leave it for other people.
I'm so very altruistic.
Mar 15th 2020, 10:22 am
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Re: panic buying?
This just in;
Yesterday [Saturday] my neighbor went to our nearby Aldi to do some panic buying, only to find he was too late.
The shop was packed with people but half the shelves were empty. Most of what he wanted to buy was no longer available.
The good people who stayed calm, behaved well, and didn't panic now have a good chance to lose some weight.
I'm a bit too heavy myself.
Yesterday [Saturday] my neighbor went to our nearby Aldi to do some panic buying, only to find he was too late.
The shop was packed with people but half the shelves were empty. Most of what he wanted to buy was no longer available.
The good people who stayed calm, behaved well, and didn't panic now have a good chance to lose some weight.
I'm a bit too heavy myself.
Mar 15th 2020, 10:55 am
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Re: panic buying?
Quote - "Only the dead are counted accurately"
Not true in China. You are only counted if you croak in a hospital. If you go at home you are not even a statistic...
Not true in China. You are only counted if you croak in a hospital. If you go at home you are not even a statistic...
Mar 15th 2020, 11:11 am
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Do you think the death rate in China is higher than reported?
Even in China, surely there are procedures, funerals have to be organized and that will be regulated. A death certificate will have a cause of death listed?
Even in China, surely there are procedures, funerals have to be organized and that will be regulated. A death certificate will have a cause of death listed?
Mar 15th 2020, 11:18 am
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Re: panic buying?
China 70,125 Cases which had an outcome: 66,926 (95%) Recovered / Discharged and 3,199 (5%) Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/china/
set against:
Italy 3,407 Cases which had an outcome:1,966 (58%) Recovered / Discharged and 1,441 (42%) Deaths
Spain 713 Cases which had an outcome: 517 (73%) Recovered / Discharged and 196 (27%) Deaths
Germany 55 Cases which had an outcome: 46 (84%) Recovered / Discharged and 9 (16%) Deaths
France 103 Cases which had an outcome: 12 (12%) Recovered / Discharged and 91 (88%) Deaths
USA 116 Cases which had an outcome: 56 (48%) Recovered / Discharged and 60 (52%) Deaths
UK 39 Cases which had an outcome: 18 (46%) Recovered / Discharged and 21 (54%) Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Mar 15th 2020, 1:03 pm
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I don't think comparing recovery rates to mortality rates so early in this situation is particularly informative as, relatively speaking, so many still have the illness whether they know it or not. Recoveries will always be counted more slowly than deaths. Eventually there will be many more unrecorded recoveries than unrecorded deaths.
Mar 15th 2020, 1:16 pm
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I don't think comparing recovery rates to mortality rates so early in this situation is particularly informative as, relatively speaking, so many still have the illness whether they know it or not. Recoveries will always be counted more slowly than deaths. Eventually there will be many more unrecorded recoveries than unrecorded deaths.
Unregistered cases are an unknown and, as yet, predicting any outcome is dangerous as little is known about this virus.
Mar 15th 2020, 1:35 pm
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To take the UK as an example:
There are 1140 cases, 18 recoveries, 21 deaths, 20 serious/critical but 1101 with unknown outcome. The recoveries, deaths and serious/critical cases need to be compared to the number of cases in total, not to each other.
Taking Ireland as an example there have been 2 deaths and 1 recovery. That doesn't mean you're twice as likely to die as to recover because we don't yet know the outcome of the other 126 cases.
There are 1140 cases, 18 recoveries, 21 deaths, 20 serious/critical but 1101 with unknown outcome. The recoveries, deaths and serious/critical cases need to be compared to the number of cases in total, not to each other.
Taking Ireland as an example there have been 2 deaths and 1 recovery. That doesn't mean you're twice as likely to die as to recover because we don't yet know the outcome of the other 126 cases.