Options for the satelitte user
Apr 17th 2013 | 10:48 am
#31
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
Even if it would cost more than the income in licences to do just that?Hence why your not an md 
Most people just dont understand numbers , that how governemnts and companies control them throgh baffling.They see zeros and assume big numbers are good , thats why we are rarely given all the facts like net, gross and pound for pound percentiles.
ITs not a loss or lost income , but perhaps a potential loss of a potential income however its still not that clear cut....
Sky has a licence , an expensive one , to only broadcast to the territory of the uk for nealy all of its programming , both through uk govt licences and contractually through the program's themselves originators.
It does not have a EU wide one of either of those , so are breaking EU law and contract law , to knowingly sell an expat any services to be recieved outwith the uk.
IF sky were knowingly do this then the fine would be astronomical , pun intended.Which IMO is in direct conflict with the open market sentiment of the EU , but thats another thing entirely.We are talking radio spectrum here which , if mem serves , is still devolved to country specific legistlature for the most part outwith future shared domain strategies for forward progression.
This is one of the reasons why sky encrypt their services , it protects them from lawsuits and government fines for broadcasting content illegally , ie if you cant see it without the card to unscramble it then its not deemed a broadcast but background noise.The other of course is that the end user pays for content , 2 income revenue streams of advertising and customer accounts.
The radio overspill , which had enabled this reception in the past , will be gone soon enough anyway , and they wont be physically able to do so ever again....well unless the satelite is replaced with another with a wide footprint again.
Dont beleive me that sky CANT broadcast outside of the uk , call up sky and tell them you want a sky full package for somewhere outside the uk , except for sky Eire of course.
No matter what the number is , ie say the £3.9m or as a percentage of overall income generated by SKY , the end result is that it would be impractical to spend x to make a percentage of a percentage of x , or more correctly to deliberately make a loss when it projects a negative percentage of x , ie when you include the licences and new content contracts for overseas broadcast then it would thus take it negative.
You also have to add to this the avertising streams generated are uk specific products and services , which is what also pays for programming not just subsciptions.These advertisers simply are not interested in expats , rarely can you get their products outwith the UK - other than the likes of cars and coke etc , which again are a minority of the advert air time therefore a minority of revenue.
Most people just dont understand numbers , that how governemnts and companies control them throgh baffling.They see zeros and assume big numbers are good , thats why we are rarely given all the facts like net, gross and pound for pound percentiles.
ITs not a loss or lost income , but perhaps a potential loss of a potential income however its still not that clear cut....
Sky has a licence , an expensive one , to only broadcast to the territory of the uk for nealy all of its programming , both through uk govt licences and contractually through the program's themselves originators.
It does not have a EU wide one of either of those , so are breaking EU law and contract law , to knowingly sell an expat any services to be recieved outwith the uk.
IF sky were knowingly do this then the fine would be astronomical , pun intended.Which IMO is in direct conflict with the open market sentiment of the EU , but thats another thing entirely.We are talking radio spectrum here which , if mem serves , is still devolved to country specific legistlature for the most part outwith future shared domain strategies for forward progression.
This is one of the reasons why sky encrypt their services , it protects them from lawsuits and government fines for broadcasting content illegally , ie if you cant see it without the card to unscramble it then its not deemed a broadcast but background noise.The other of course is that the end user pays for content , 2 income revenue streams of advertising and customer accounts.
The radio overspill , which had enabled this reception in the past , will be gone soon enough anyway , and they wont be physically able to do so ever again....well unless the satelite is replaced with another with a wide footprint again.
Dont beleive me that sky CANT broadcast outside of the uk , call up sky and tell them you want a sky full package for somewhere outside the uk , except for sky Eire of course.
No matter what the number is , ie say the £3.9m or as a percentage of overall income generated by SKY , the end result is that it would be impractical to spend x to make a percentage of a percentage of x , or more correctly to deliberately make a loss when it projects a negative percentage of x , ie when you include the licences and new content contracts for overseas broadcast then it would thus take it negative.
You also have to add to this the avertising streams generated are uk specific products and services , which is what also pays for programming not just subsciptions.These advertisers simply are not interested in expats , rarely can you get their products outwith the UK - other than the likes of cars and coke etc , which again are a minority of the advert air time therefore a minority of revenue.
Apr 22nd 2013 | 2:37 am
#32
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
I see that the Portugal news is more than happy to take adverts from phony SKY dealers ( there are no official SKY dealers in Portugal as it is a UK Service only ). The latest is also for those offering internet connections which in most of PT are slower than a drunken snail.
Aug 13th 2013 | 4:28 am
#33
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
This thread should have its title changed in Confusions for the satellite user, I was looking for alternatives after switch off, read it all and I'm none the wiser
Aug 13th 2013 | 8:32 am
#34
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
have you considered watching the Spanish Terrestial Service ??
I get 40 channels, with English/American films, series like CSI Miami, Sea Patrol and many others.
There is only so many hours in the day to watch television and when moving to Iberia you don't magically get more hours than back home
Aug 13th 2013 | 6:40 pm
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
I'm more concerned about the night personally
No you're right, I realised only later it was Portugal, but then I thought principles are the same. I don't mind Spanish TV, in small doses, but definitely not a fan of American TV shows including the most popular ones, not a patch on my beloved British soaps!
No you're right, I realised only later it was Portugal, but then I thought principles are the same. I don't mind Spanish TV, in small doses, but definitely not a fan of American TV shows including the most popular ones, not a patch on my beloved British soaps!
Aug 13th 2013 | 7:02 pm
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
I'm more concerned about the night personally
No you're right, I realised only later it was Portugal, but then I thought principles are the same. I don't mind Spanish TV, in small doses, but definitely not a fan of American TV shows including the most popular ones, not a patch on my beloved British soaps!
No you're right, I realised only later it was Portugal, but then I thought principles are the same. I don't mind Spanish TV, in small doses, but definitely not a fan of American TV shows including the most popular ones, not a patch on my beloved British soaps!
as to the night, well there are still only so many hours to that as well. and some of the best of British and American can be found around midnight, especially films.
but I we have to go to bed early as I send the BH out to work every day and she has to get up at 0630.
but the Spanish News progs are good for honing one's language skills, so long as the presenter doesn't gabble too fast
Last edited by Domino; Aug 13th 2013 at 7:06 pm.
Aug 13th 2013 | 7:10 pm
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
[High SR] SR 44100)
11495 V DVB-S2/QPSK 44100 9/10
Code:
found CW: 80 0B 73 FE 55 B4 85 8E
This is the backup Freeview not Freesat transponder on Intelsat 27.5 W for the UK in case the freeview net breaks down. It is encrypted, but the codes can be found on
http://www.new-key.net/feed.htm
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Aug 13th 2013 | 8:01 pm
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
The original dreambox is a Linux based programmable satellite receiver made in Germany; it's high quality but expensive.
There are many cheaper boxes now with pretty much the same capabilities. There are also lots of counterfeits of them and of the dreamboxes, which usually work but not always. It's best to get a device made by the company that says they made it, if you know what I mean.
I have a "Vu-duo", with time lapse and auto record to an internal 650gb hard drive. It has 2 tuners and can record one channel while watching another. There are 2 coax cables to a dual lnb up on the dish.
I only use it for free to air channels at the moment, but it can do all those illegal and semi-legal things too if I ever decide to go that way.
The box wasn't very expensive.
I also use it as a media player, which works quite well. I download movies and TV series over the internet [piratebay mostly] and easily load them from my computer into the satellite box HD through my internet router. Then we watch them when we like, without commercials. I get almost anything this way, full TV series in high definition.
There are many cheaper boxes now with pretty much the same capabilities. There are also lots of counterfeits of them and of the dreamboxes, which usually work but not always. It's best to get a device made by the company that says they made it, if you know what I mean.
I have a "Vu-duo", with time lapse and auto record to an internal 650gb hard drive. It has 2 tuners and can record one channel while watching another. There are 2 coax cables to a dual lnb up on the dish.
I only use it for free to air channels at the moment, but it can do all those illegal and semi-legal things too if I ever decide to go that way.
The box wasn't very expensive.
I also use it as a media player, which works quite well. I download movies and TV series over the internet [piratebay mostly] and easily load them from my computer into the satellite box HD through my internet router. Then we watch them when we like, without commercials. I get almost anything this way, full TV series in high definition.
Last edited by liveaboard; Aug 13th 2013 at 8:05 pm.
Aug 13th 2013 | 8:08 pm
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
I think that it will all end in tears and confusion for many.
There will be those who have no idea that the UK TV signals may be lost in their area. Some will then contact their local " friendly " Sat installer who will overcharge them for a solution that may or may not work
There will be those who will have read of instant solutions via the internet and buy equipment from www.rubbish.com that also does not work.
Then there will be those who willl have heard of VPN and proxy IP sites download , pay subscriptions etc. They will not be aware of the minimum internet speed required to get a decent signal.
As more and more go down this route so the signal quality will decline as speeds drop.
We will not even discuss the long term viability/ legality of sites shut as Filmon.
We can live without UK TV .local cable TV suppliers are improving, The fibre optic network is slowly spreading.
Once we are all on Fibre maybe then the interent TV solution will work but until then we may have to face a Christmas without Strictly or the Dr Who Special.
Those who rent properties will have to expect complaints from guests that they cannot get their " Corrie, East enders etc. "
There will also be those who will run up huge roaming charges as they use their mobiles. , tablets, Ipads etc etc to watch UK TV.
" Confused " it has not even started yet.
There will be those who have no idea that the UK TV signals may be lost in their area. Some will then contact their local " friendly " Sat installer who will overcharge them for a solution that may or may not work
There will be those who will have read of instant solutions via the internet and buy equipment from www.rubbish.com that also does not work.
Then there will be those who willl have heard of VPN and proxy IP sites download , pay subscriptions etc. They will not be aware of the minimum internet speed required to get a decent signal.
As more and more go down this route so the signal quality will decline as speeds drop.
We will not even discuss the long term viability/ legality of sites shut as Filmon.
We can live without UK TV .local cable TV suppliers are improving, The fibre optic network is slowly spreading.
Once we are all on Fibre maybe then the interent TV solution will work but until then we may have to face a Christmas without Strictly or the Dr Who Special.
Those who rent properties will have to expect complaints from guests that they cannot get their " Corrie, East enders etc. "
There will also be those who will run up huge roaming charges as they use their mobiles. , tablets, Ipads etc etc to watch UK TV.
" Confused " it has not even started yet.
Aug 14th 2013 | 12:21 am
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
The original dreambox is a Linux based programmable satellite receiver made in Germany; it's high quality but expensive.
There are many cheaper boxes now with pretty much the same capabilities. There are also lots of counterfeits of them and of the dreamboxes, which usually work but not always. It's best to get a device made by the company that says they made it, if you know what I mean.
I have a "Vu-duo", with time lapse and auto record to an internal 650gb hard drive. It has 2 tuners and can record one channel while watching another. There are 2 coax cables to a dual lnb up on the dish.
I only use it for free to air channels at the moment, but it can do all those illegal and semi-legal things too if I ever decide to go that way.
The box wasn't very expensive.
I also use it as a media player, which works quite well. I download movies and TV series over the internet [piratebay mostly] and easily load them from my computer into the satellite box HD through my internet router. Then we watch them when we like, without commercials. I get almost anything this way, full TV series in high definition.
There are many cheaper boxes now with pretty much the same capabilities. There are also lots of counterfeits of them and of the dreamboxes, which usually work but not always. It's best to get a device made by the company that says they made it, if you know what I mean.
I have a "Vu-duo", with time lapse and auto record to an internal 650gb hard drive. It has 2 tuners and can record one channel while watching another. There are 2 coax cables to a dual lnb up on the dish.
I only use it for free to air channels at the moment, but it can do all those illegal and semi-legal things too if I ever decide to go that way.
The box wasn't very expensive.
I also use it as a media player, which works quite well. I download movies and TV series over the internet [piratebay mostly] and easily load them from my computer into the satellite box HD through my internet router. Then we watch them when we like, without commercials. I get almost anything this way, full TV series in high definition.
Aug 14th 2013 | 12:46 am
#41
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
Then there will be those who willl have heard of VPN and proxy IP sites download , pay subscriptions etc. They will not be aware of the minimum internet speed required to get a decent signal.
As more and more go down this route so the signal quality will decline as speeds drop.
We will not even discuss the long term viability/ legality of sites shut as Filmon.
As more and more go down this route so the signal quality will decline as speeds drop.
We will not even discuss the long term viability/ legality of sites shut as Filmon.
It seems that a number of people have a problem with the likes of Filmon a other such services.
First as to speed i have a laptop for using on the net and a desktop that i use for TV via Filmon. As i have mentioned before my speed is only 1.75mbs and that's slow. Even with this slow speed there is nothing that i can't do with both machines running at the same time.
As to Filmon. Filmon being a succesful business will i am sure increase the amount of it's servers to keep up with demand. This increase in demand will also increase revenue from the adverts that are shown on Filmon. I can't see any reason from searching the net that tells me that Filmon will fail from the increase in demand that may happen when more UK TV channels become difficult.
Why not try Filmon there are more than enough TV channels to watch and all the soaps that you can watch. Also ITV 1,2,3,4 plus 1 So you can catch up if you missed the start of a program.
Peter
Aug 14th 2013 | 1:25 am
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
This is all new, It will all be OK when we are one in Europe and that we all have the same rights.
i.e. For the Portuguese to watch Pt TV in UK and the French to watch French TV in Italy etc. etc .
It’s not as if we joined the EU 40 years ago.
I love Politian’s; I could eat a whole one,
and It’s good that look after the PEOPLE.
i.e. For the Portuguese to watch Pt TV in UK and the French to watch French TV in Italy etc. etc .
It’s not as if we joined the EU 40 years ago.
I love Politian’s; I could eat a whole one,
and It’s good that look after the PEOPLE.
Aug 14th 2013 | 1:51 am
#43
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
It has little to do with the EU. There are international treaties regaring each nations broadcasts. Ther is also the commercial arguement. Companies like Sky are not going to spend millions for a small return,
Spain Portgal etc etc are not going to buy from other countries networks etc if those programs can be watched for free.
The BBC and ITV companies make millions selling their progs to other countries revenue that would cease if you could watch UK TV for free in outer Mongolia.
That is wahy the long term future for Filmon and similar as they currently operate is uncertain unless they agree to pay for their content.
If they have to pay so will their users.
Spain Portgal etc etc are not going to buy from other countries networks etc if those programs can be watched for free.
The BBC and ITV companies make millions selling their progs to other countries revenue that would cease if you could watch UK TV for free in outer Mongolia.
That is wahy the long term future for Filmon and similar as they currently operate is uncertain unless they agree to pay for their content.
If they have to pay so will their users.
Aug 14th 2013 | 2:43 am
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From: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Re: Options for the satelitte user
Hi EMR and All
It seems that a number of people have a problem with the likes of Filmon a other such services.
First as to speed i have a laptop for using on the net and a desktop that i use for TV via Filmon. As i have mentioned before my speed is only 1.75mbs and that's slow. Even with this slow speed there is nothing that i can't do with both machines running at the same time.
As to Filmon. Filmon being a succesful business will i am sure increase the amount of it's servers to keep up with demand. This increase in demand will also increase revenue from the adverts that are shown on Filmon. I can't see any reason from searching the net that tells me that Filmon will fail from the increase in demand that may happen when more UK TV channels become difficult.
Why not try Filmon there are more than enough TV channels to watch and all the soaps that you can watch. Also ITV 1,2,3,4 plus 1 So you can catch up if you missed the start of a program.
Peter
It seems that a number of people have a problem with the likes of Filmon a other such services.
First as to speed i have a laptop for using on the net and a desktop that i use for TV via Filmon. As i have mentioned before my speed is only 1.75mbs and that's slow. Even with this slow speed there is nothing that i can't do with both machines running at the same time.
As to Filmon. Filmon being a succesful business will i am sure increase the amount of it's servers to keep up with demand. This increase in demand will also increase revenue from the adverts that are shown on Filmon. I can't see any reason from searching the net that tells me that Filmon will fail from the increase in demand that may happen when more UK TV channels become difficult.
Why not try Filmon there are more than enough TV channels to watch and all the soaps that you can watch. Also ITV 1,2,3,4 plus 1 So you can catch up if you missed the start of a program.
Peter
broadcasters, such as BBC, use external production companies to make programmes for television and radio, and the BBC pays them for the content although the EPC's retain the copyright (which is why so many programmes are not available for replay, they have only sold it for original broadcast and (usually) one repeat.
So the BBC/ITV have paid to have the programme commissioned and naughty Filmnicked comes along and rebroadcasts it without paying anyone anything.
Thats really good for "something for nothing" expats who see it as their human right to be able to watch Coronation Street etc at the same time as their old next door neighbours back home. After all they have paid their licence all these years - although they don't pay it now.
It gives them something to talk about on their weekly telephone calls.
So why shouldn't the original commissioning company be paid for the content and why shouldn't the EPC's be paid for the use of their copyrighted material.
That is the essence of the EU court case won over football and also the reasoning that has been put forward in the USA
The successful Game of Thrones, heavily pirated, cost over $6million an episode - but the likes of Filmnicked haven't contributed a penny. With their attitude if broadcasters stopped paying for new material then all we would be left would be reruns of decades old material on Dave 1,2,3 & 4.
Anyone looking forward to yet another rerun of The Two Ronnies and Del & Rodney argueing ???
PS - the speed of the internet has nothing to do with Filmnicked having too few servers to meet demand, it all depends on the various layers down the chain in each country down to the exchanges and repeaters that boost the signal (sometimes)
Last edited by Domino; Aug 14th 2013 at 2:45 am. Reason: PS added
Aug 14th 2013 | 4:12 am
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Re: Options for the satelitte user
I ssupect some of those who promote Filmon and the like are the same ones who bought pirate DVDs etc from car boot sales.
Morally there is little difference.
Morally there is little difference.
