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I believe they are issued under Article 54.

1 - O visto de estada temporária destina-se a permitir a entrada e a estada em território nacional por período inferior a um ano para:
a) Tratamento médico em estabelecimentos de saúde oficiais ou oficialmente reconhecidos;
b) Transferência de cidadãos nacionais de Estados Partes na Organização Mundial de Comércio, no contexto da prestação de serviços ou da realização de formação profissional em território português;
c) Exercício em território nacional de uma atividade profissional independente;
d) Exercício em território nacional de uma actividade de investigação científica em centros de investigação, de uma actividade docente num estabelecimento de ensino superior ou de uma actividade altamente qualificada durante um período de tempo inferior a um ano;
e) Exercício em território nacional de uma actividade desportiva amadora, certificada pela respectiva federação, desde que o clube ou associação desportiva se responsabilize pelo alojamento e cuidados de saúde;
f) Permanecer em território nacional por períodos superiores a três meses, em casos excecionais, devidamente fundamentados, designadamente para frequência de programa de estudo em estabelecimento de ensino, intercâmbio de estudantes, estágio profissional não remunerado ou voluntariado, de duração igual ou inferior a um ano, ou para efeitos de cumprimento dos compromissos internacionais no âmbito da Organização Mundial de Comércio e dos decorrentes de convenções e acordos internacionais de que Portugal seja Parte, em sede de liberdade de prestação de serviços;
g) Acompanhamento de familiar sujeito a tratamento médico nos termos da alínea a).
h) Trabalho sazonal por período superior a 90 dias; i) Frequência de curso em estabelecimento de ensino ou de formação profissional.
2 - Sem prejuízo do estabelecido em disposição especial, o visto de estada temporária é concedido pelo tempo da duração da estada e é válido para múltiplas entradas em território nacional.
3 - O prazo máximo para a decisão sobre o pedido de visto de estada temporária é de 30 dias contados a partir da instrução do pedido.

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As always thanks for legal info bomber.

Interestingly this is similar the categories on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs page which describes the required documentation for a temporary stay visa.

However the summary page for Temporary Stay visas also includes people living on their own income and religious purposes?

No-one said it had to be logical but interesting that VFS have specifically added the E6 category which last year was for study visits but now is allegedly for retired people or people living out from personal revenue?

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Where under (a) to (h) is there any reference to retired persons, or persons living from private income ?

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The legal aspects were discussed at length when I raised it last year. The difference now is that VFS have added this category to their website (albeit calling it a E6 visa?)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...1884090c0f.png
What I'm really after is anyone who has successfully actually applied for this visa (not whether it should be available ;)) and what constitutes exceptional circumstances.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...013f0602e4.png

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..and can it be renew every year?

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Don't know yet but investigating. Please also note following from the Portuguese Consulate in London showing a temporary visa for people living on their own income. Still hopeful.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...753ed585de.png

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I doubt it, note the opening sentence, "O visto de estada temporária destina-se a permitir a entrada e a estada em território nacional por período inferior a um ano", especially as there are other visas available that cater for stays of more than 1 year.

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I think hint is words "exceptional and dully justified".
Wanting longer then 3 months holiday is not exceptional in my books.

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The search for the "have cake & eat it" visa continues...

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Well, why not, considering that there have always, always been visas for Portugal, and no one could have ever come here without any visa...;)

Off topic - coming back home after ten days away and seeing the damages to the wine cellar inflicted by the in-laws during the time I was away, I would urge every bachelor to marry an orphan, if it comes to marriage at all...:sneaky:

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Have to say we were over for a couple of months April and May and couldn't wait to get back to UK so wouldn't want a "cake and eat it visa" thank you.

Don't know what it is but after 16 years of ownership there I just find it dull and boring and if it wasn't for the sun i would be struggling to find a good reason to be there.

I realise a few people on here like to rub it in to Brits that haven't got residency what a great life it is in Portugal but for me you are welcome to it.

The only time I want to visit again is when our place is sold and I have to go back to close the bank account.

And why is it they always have to shout when they are sat at the same table!!!

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If you don't like it here, totally OK with that, your choice, I never pretend that it's the perfect place for everyone

For those who like to own a place and holiday here within the 90 days, also good with that.

My sarcasm is reserved for those who like it here and want to stay here as long as they want, any time they want, but somehow without becoming resident and paying tax

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I'm not sure sarcasm is warranted regarding anyone seeking to understand the legal options for visiting Portugal.

It's hardly a "have cake & eat it" visa, more like a two cake visa given the application appears to have the same criteria as a residence visa (NIF, bank account, proof of accommodation and income, etc, etc) and is only for a year.

The only difference therefore is possibly the income tax situation (since as a homeowner you pay IMI and everyone pays IVA) but obviously as a non-resident you aren't able to take advantage of resident's benefits.

As a resident, if all your income arises in the UK, it is quite possible, to be just taxed on that income in the UK and then you are able to take advantage of resident's benefits without contributing which is worse.

Many countries (UK and US being two) have 6 month or longer visas for visiting which are comparatively easy to obtain and that would suit me fine.

I know and accept the EU wide rules but if Portugal are able to offer greater access restricted to their territory (as residence is) why should this cause such consternation?

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I second the thrust of Appman's points.

Portuguese ( and other EU ) citizens do not even need to 'apply' for a six month duration visa to come to the UK for that time : there are huge notices before passport control at UK airports stating clearly that all EU and US ( and many other ) nationals will automatically be granted a SIx Month Visa .

That is all that a lot of us would need, and as far as I can see it would benefit Portugal, rather than the opposite, to permit such visas without complicated paperwork.

Why the UK did not insist on simple reciprocity in terms of the length of time citizens of one country could spend in the other I have no idea, albeit one can put it down to UK ministers and civil servants not having a clue.

Most state to state Treaties have reciprocity at their core. EG extradition treaties, or trade treaties.

That is all some of us are seeking in terms of how long we can stay at one time in Portugal without having to faff around with a lot of paperwork : the same length of time that Portuguese citizens are granted when they arrive in the UK.

What is cake~ist about that ?

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Maybe because "...they need us more than we need them"? ;)

The sad reality, whether one is willing to accept it or not, is that retired British expats are of little or no significant benefit to Portugal, or to most, if not all, of the other EU countries.
It is people of working age with skills, who those countries would accept with open arms; people who would contribute by paying taxes, social security contributions, etc, not only by paying VAT on purchases.

The rest is wishful thinking imho.

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I'm trying very hard not to get into the B thing and just coping with the fallout as best I can.

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I agree with you - nothing at all wrong with finding an appropriate visa for a long visit should one exist.

I'm also of the purely personal opinion that it could well stand a good chance of being granted and that the timbre of the wording about justification may be for the purposes of Portugal being understood to be complying with its Schengen obligations. Although one individual visiting for upwards of 3 months may not register on most meters of what's important for PT, I think the PT authorities may see it slightly differently when multiplied by however many it is and taking into account that long-stay visitors may well generate further influxes of friends and family and that any of each group might be engaging in activities which benefit local economies, whether or not those are in tourist-reliant areas. They tend, in my understanding, to take a more holistic(? not sure if that's quite the right word but anyway) and long-term view of the value of things as opposed to regarding it as eg one pensioner living on the cheap for a while.

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" retired British expats are of little or no significant benefit to Portugal, or to most, if not all, of the other EU countries".

Not sure if i agree with that...... retired Brits take with them money to spend thus helping the economy. Buy property which might otherwise be left empty,unsold, abandoned. Paying taxes etc.
I'm not particularly sure about the UK being "welcoming" with their allowance of a 6 month stay going by the reception for my OH got on re-entering here.(EU citizen). He was asked if he lived here(UK car),that his passport showed no evidence that he was allowed to do so(was not aware that passport had to show this and have never been told it should. No idea how to get this done).Asked if he had evidence of any resettlement agreement?(we had the confirmation letter).

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Obviously the paying taxes only applies to some of those who become resident and the property side could be a negative as it pushes up prices for the local population as happens in Devon and Cornwall.

Winter visitors to tourist areas may help to provide a little income in the hospitality sector during otherwise fairly quiet times but I wouldn't want to overstate their importance.

I totally agree the reported treatment of EU citizens entering the UK is scandalous but is unfortunately symptomatic.

However wishing to avoid politics :lol: any info on the visa I highlighted initially would be welcome. (I have found one person on Facebook who appears to have obtained it.)

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Yes, putting aside all the visa stuff, why do the Portuguese shout all the time, in the bar, the supermarket, even in their house!

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LOL, make sure you never eat in a Chinese restaurant in China, HK or other Chinese-speaking place. If you do you will really find out what shouting actually is …

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Can we please have a separate thread "Ten Things We Hate Most About Portugal And Why We Think That Portuguese Are Inferior To Us" :amen:

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I know this is a very old thread but I just obtained my 12 month E6 visa based on owning a property in Portugal and having adequate financial resources.

Have to wait and see what happens when it comes to renewal. Obviously if I stay more than 6 months I'll also become tax resident.

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:thumbup:

And a big raspberry to all the naysayers :p

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Out of interest, is this visa multiple or single entry? And if the former, is it unlimited for the period of the visa?

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Multiple entry and no limits mentioned for the 12 month validity although as I said tax residence is probable after 6 months.

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Seems like PT has itself `having its cake and eating it` So now `swallows` are able to remain in PT for 6 months at a time, and if property owners and non PT residents have almost the same benefits as being an actual PT resident (ah no, better cause they wont be subject to PT taxes)

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Do you know if the time you spend in PT counts towards your allotted 180days in the Schengen area, or would you get another 90+90 in any other Schengen area if you wanted ?

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Actually PT resident with NHR quite possibly paying less tax overall than `swallows`. No access to social security or SNS and possibly other benefits that don't apply to me.

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It's a National Visa so your Schengen allowance is unused.

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So for those that prefer to spend only the winter months in PT, with GHIC card and some health insurance to cover repatriation, this is now the perfect solution, in fact the same as it was pre Brexit. But now has the added benefit of being able to visit other Schengen countries when not in PT.
This lines up nicely with the recent changes in CGT, so with the exception of reinvestment in another main property (and paying huge IMT bill) a property owner can now spend 180 days in PT without triggering a Tax demand, and be able to sell the property with CGT at residents rates.

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Certainly mitigates some of the Brexit effects but the visa application process is a royal pain especially the getting of an appointment (the same as the D7 residents visa) and it has to be reapplied for each year (and attitudes may change)

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Yes it does, and I am sure that with a little more pragmatic thinking, that could be made easier for anyone already registered.
Just one more hurdle to cross would be the inclusion of a reinvestment allowance in UK, when selling a PT property.

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Except that in the case that you're renewing a temporary visa, however many times you do so, but not at any point becoming resident, it wouldn't be your primary residence.

So whether or not tax law allowed for CGT relief outside of the EU, as long as it applied to primary residences only - and logic doesn't suggest any particular reason for extending it to other properties - you're still snookered.

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I imagine so, having skimmed through the documentation required.

Did you really need to produce return travel tickets and how did you go about that if the time taken to process the visa application was a complete unknown (as it surely is at the moment)?

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I did produce return tickets as required (don't know what would happen if I hadn't)

You can apply up to 90 days before and that should allow enough time for approval. Our's was 6 weeks but could be a couple of months.

Used Avios bookings so I could cancel if required with minimal cost.

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So what were the mechanics of your application ?

To which entity did you apply ? Is it a Visa which can be applied for from within Portugal ? Or is it all online or what ?

And how long from submitting the documents to receiving the Visa ?

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Exactly the same as for a D7 residence visa. Start here https://visa.vfsglobal.com/gbr/en/prt/

Apply for appointment in UK through VFS, that's the only bit that's online and it's rubbish.

In our case it took 6 weeks.

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Thats true Red, but when did logic apply to the taxman??