Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
#16
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
There is certainly some misconceptions when it comes to driving UK cars outside of UK.
UK tax and test have absolutely nothing to do with Portuguese law.
How do they prove your car is taxed now with no disc?
The only way is if they are bothered to check the UK data base if they have the means and if they are bothered. It makes no odds anyway your car is taxed to drive on UK roads.
Road tax and MoT have nothing to do whatsoever with insurance. Insurance is a civil contract to indemnify the owner/driver for losses which may be caused by and to the vehicle. This contract has nothing to do with HMRC.
It is a requirement that the vehicle be used only in a roadworthy condition.
You can't get tax without insurance. You can be insured without being taxed.
UK tax and test have absolutely nothing to do with Portuguese law.
How do they prove your car is taxed now with no disc?
The only way is if they are bothered to check the UK data base if they have the means and if they are bothered. It makes no odds anyway your car is taxed to drive on UK roads.
Road tax and MoT have nothing to do whatsoever with insurance. Insurance is a civil contract to indemnify the owner/driver for losses which may be caused by and to the vehicle. This contract has nothing to do with HMRC.
It is a requirement that the vehicle be used only in a roadworthy condition.
You can't get tax without insurance. You can be insured without being taxed.
So Portuguese law will apply if you have an accident or if you are stopped at a check point.
So Portuguese law applies.
Read the small print on your policy.
It seems some Brits think that once they leave the UK the law of the country they are in do not apply to them.
How many would drive an untaxed, no mot, dodgy insurance vehicle in the UK.
#17
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
Your vehicle has to be road legal in the country it us being driven in.
So Portuguese law will apply if you have an accident or if you are stopped at a check point.
So Portuguese law applies.
Read the small print on your policy.
It seems some Brits think that once they leave the UK the law of the country they are in do not apply to them.
How many would drive an untaxed, no mot, dodgy insurance vehicle in the UK.
So Portuguese law will apply if you have an accident or if you are stopped at a check point.
So Portuguese law applies.
Read the small print on your policy.
It seems some Brits think that once they leave the UK the law of the country they are in do not apply to them.
How many would drive an untaxed, no mot, dodgy insurance vehicle in the UK.
Car vehicle tax rates are based on either engine size or fuel type and CO2 emissions, depending on when the vehicle was registered.
(VED) (also known as "vehicle tax", "car tax" or "road tax", and formerly as a "tax disc") is a tax that is levied as an excise duty and which must be paid for most types of vehicles which are to be used (or parked) on public roads in the United KIngdom.
In other words applicable to UK nowhere else.
I will repeat common fallacy that car insurance is void if vehicle has no tax or test.....Car has to be deemed roadworthy and free from major defect for insurance to be valid. No more no less.
How many would drive an untaxed, no mot, dodgy insurance vehicle in the UK.
As already alluded to by another poster several...also add no driving license.
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
Right ! I have spent some time on my Saturday morning splitting out the pointless bickering from the bones of the topic rather than simply closing the thread.
The OP has already indicated they have made a decision based on the first few more helpful posts in this thread.
I will re-open but if this once again turns into a push and shove, I will shunt it.
The OP has already indicated they have made a decision based on the first few more helpful posts in this thread.
I will re-open but if this once again turns into a push and shove, I will shunt it.
#20
Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
There is certainly some misconceptions when it comes to driving UK cars outside of UK.
UK tax and test have absolutely nothing to do with Portuguese law.
How do they prove your car is taxed now with no disc?
The only way is if they are bothered to check the UK data base if they have the means and if they are bothered. It makes no odds anyway your car is taxed to drive on UK roads.
UK tax and test have absolutely nothing to do with Portuguese law.
How do they prove your car is taxed now with no disc?
The only way is if they are bothered to check the UK data base if they have the means and if they are bothered. It makes no odds anyway your car is taxed to drive on UK roads.
On the matter of the MOT, however, I'm less sure. It is required in Portugal to produce the full test certificate on demand on penalty of an on the spot fine for failure to do so and foreign registered cars most certainly are stopped and inspected and their drivers on occasions fined for contraventions. Whether that would extend specifically to the proof that the car is MOT'd as required, I'm not completely sure but as the general rule is that it has to be road legal in the country of origin, being on the road without proof of MOT is not something I'd risk.
#21
Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
there's law, and then there's common practice [by police/road authorities].
To keep things practical, they check what they can.
I recently bought a big old UK caravan to put on my land; I needed to move it about 100km.
UK caravans don't have their own registrations, but PT law states that a trailer/caravan heavier than 300kg must have it's own reg and insurance to be on PT roads.
In practice, they let UK caravaners tow then on their UK tow vehicle plates and insurance just as they do at home.
I was told there's even a Brit person who moves caravans around Portugal on UK plates for a fee.
I had mine moved by a local towing firm, they have special license for this sort of thing.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out to all the armchair lawyers that law might be black and white, but real life is not.
To keep things practical, they check what they can.
I recently bought a big old UK caravan to put on my land; I needed to move it about 100km.
UK caravans don't have their own registrations, but PT law states that a trailer/caravan heavier than 300kg must have it's own reg and insurance to be on PT roads.
In practice, they let UK caravaners tow then on their UK tow vehicle plates and insurance just as they do at home.
I was told there's even a Brit person who moves caravans around Portugal on UK plates for a fee.
I had mine moved by a local towing firm, they have special license for this sort of thing.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out to all the armchair lawyers that law might be black and white, but real life is not.
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
there's law, and then there's common practice [by police/road authorities].
To keep things practical, they check what they can.
I recently bought a big old UK caravan to put on my land; I needed to move it about 100km.
UK caravans don't have their own registrations, but PT law states that a trailer/caravan heavier than 300kg must have it's own reg and insurance to be on PT roads.
In practice, they let UK caravaners tow then on their UK tow vehicle plates and insurance just as they do at home.
I was told there's even a Brit person who moves caravans around Portugal on UK plates for a fee.
I had mine moved by a local towing firm, they have special license for this sort of thing.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out to all the armchair lawyers that law might be black and white, but real life is not.
To keep things practical, they check what they can.
I recently bought a big old UK caravan to put on my land; I needed to move it about 100km.
UK caravans don't have their own registrations, but PT law states that a trailer/caravan heavier than 300kg must have it's own reg and insurance to be on PT roads.
In practice, they let UK caravaners tow then on their UK tow vehicle plates and insurance just as they do at home.
I was told there's even a Brit person who moves caravans around Portugal on UK plates for a fee.
I had mine moved by a local towing firm, they have special license for this sort of thing.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out to all the armchair lawyers that law might be black and white, but real life is not.
There nothing grey about that.
#23
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
Regardless of the viewpoint that a UK vehicle may not need UK road tax to be used in Portugal, I suspect that there is a transgression of UK laws in the SORN declaration of the vehicle (that isn't off the road) and/or the export of the vehicle without declaration of export. Clearly there are limitations in the UK authorities' ability to police the use of untaxed vehicles in other countries, not helped by https://www.gov.uk/report-untaxed-vehicle requiring a postcode for the location of the vehicle, if the anonymous report is made online!
#24
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
Strangely, it's easy for anyone with internet access to confirm whether a UK vehicle has valid tax and/or MoT test at https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
The person down the street who always had a car less than 3 years old, never had a days work for as long as you could remember. Never missed a session down the pub.
You grafted 5+days a week but they had a better lifestyle than you.
Then you realised why.
#25
Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
That website used to be good fun when it stated which class a car was taxed under. It showed you duty exempt.....disability.
The person down the street who always had a car less than 3 years old, never had a days work for as long as you could remember. Never missed a session down the pub.
You grafted 5+days a week but they had a better lifestyle than you.
Then you realised why.
The person down the street who always had a car less than 3 years old, never had a days work for as long as you could remember. Never missed a session down the pub.
You grafted 5+days a week but they had a better lifestyle than you.
Then you realised why.
I think I must be having a bit of a day. I cannot see how this relates to the subject matter of overseas vehicles in Portugal.
So. Given my beady eyes are on this after the previous derail
#26
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
Oh did not realise this was a forum where you have to go in a straight line and not divert.
I tend to think topics wander about...That`s what makes for an interesting conversation.....Never mind.
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Re: Looking to sell our Irish-registered car in Portugal
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