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Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by carvoeiro
(Post 12257431)
i intervened once - a total drunk being a nuisance
i simply picked him up in a bear hug and carried him outside it was surprisingly easy |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by carvoeiro
(Post 12257445)
i deleted my posting - basically i agreed with this one - the attitudes of brexit will make it much worse - i did say more - but in all honesty i've had enough death threats from those nice brexit people for one year so i deleted it:sarcasm: - see i posted a whatever the **** they are so its alright now
joking aside i really can't imagine what 17 million people who all vow they hate Europe - i know - hate the eu - better or at least accurate - hate foreigners especially ones from Europe - i know- say things like send all Europeans home - die expat traitors - we hate the undemocratic unelected corrupt EU - i know - etc etc will do on their 10 days of cheap beer and sunburnt fun packed holidays - probably i' m guessing in Europe - maybe even in the EU a fun summer this one will probably not be - personally i'm avoiding all of the places these people are likely to visit - if not i think there's a real possibility i'd rip someones head off |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12257462)
Another way of looking at the 'Brit problem' is from the viewpoint of statistics. The two nationalities this thread has named as being rude, obnoxious, embarrassing etc represent, not coincidentally, by far the greatest number of tourist visitors to Portugal. If 5% of the Brit or French tourists in Portugal behave badly, you're going to notice them a lot more than if 5% of the Americans there are behaving in exactly the same way.
Having said that, I hate ugly tourists (and I'm not talking about how good they look!). I'm from Perth in Australia, so Bali is a popular choice for a quick and cheap holiday. Australians are by far the largest group of tourists there, and although we're by no means all yobs some of the drunken behavior I've seen makes me want to tell the locals I'm British ;) http://www.portugalglobal.pt/EN/Bibl...PaisIngles.pdf The main markets generating tourism revenue to Portugal, in 2016, were France (with 18% of the total), the United Kingdom (17.9%), Spain (12.9%), Germany (11.7%) and the USA (4.7%), that together make up 65.1% of the total for this period. If those stats are correct.That makes the French impeccable visitors apart from their demanding attitude in Estate Agents and restaurants.Never EVER come across a drunkem French person.. even during many holidays in France.and here now they are in the majority now. I have actually written a book ,loosely based on a story I read in the Portugal news a few yrs ago .It was about a policeman having to deal with drunken British tourists . I wondered what his feelings were as they abused his countrymen and women. Went on from there. |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by macliam
(Post 12257527)
I don't think it's a competition! What you say is true, but in Europe, few other nationalities display the same characteristics as Brits abroad, whether it be for holidays or football. The French don't get drunk, but they have a reputation for rudeness - maybe because tourism outside France is relatively new for them.
Which brings me to your statistics - well you know the expression "lies, damned lies & statistics", this is a case in point. I'm sure people would be astounded to know there was more revenue from French tourists than English.... probably because the statistics only count what they count - we don't know how "revenue" is calculated. The second figures you quote are again for nights in a hotel, not overall visitors - my gut instinct tells me there are many, many more Dutch than Americans, but they use motorhomes a lot so won't register so highly on the stats here. Indeed, with Schengen, it's impossible to say how many EU visitors there are by nationality. It also depends on the time period and geographical sample - a constant trickle of French tourists all over Portugal, throughout the year will have less immediate impact than the mass migration of Brits to the Algarve in the summer. Never rely on statistics over observation.... |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12257581)
I actually think it comes from the Frencn influence doesn't it ? Using the Tu form means you are family and close.Anyone hearing it would know that then.The others are just as you say polite formalities. My OH was never addressed by his christian name at his office in the Netherlands ,in over 30 +yrs. It was always de Heer......or occasionally meneer de...Whilst the Dutch aren't known for their manners in general,in this respect they were very keen on rank.
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Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by macliam
(Post 12257635)
French influence? The Portuguese language owes little to the French.....
As with all Latin based languages. |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by macliam
(Post 12257527)
I don't think it's a competition! What you say is true, but in Europe, few other nationalities display the same characteristics as Brits abroad, whether it be for holidays or football. The French don't get drunk, but they have a reputation for rudeness - maybe because tourism outside France is relatively new for them.
Which brings me to your statistics - well you know the expression "lies, damned lies & statistics", this is a case in point. I'm sure people would be astounded to know there was more revenue from French tourists than English.... probably because the statistics only count what they count - we don't know how "revenue" is calculated. The second figures you quote are again for nights in a hotel, not overall visitors - my gut instinct tells me there are many, many more Dutch than Americans, but they use motorhomes a lot so won't register so highly on the stats here. Indeed, with Schengen, it's impossible to say how many EU visitors there are by nationality. It also depends on the time period and geographical sample - a constant trickle of French tourists all over Portugal, throughout the year will have less immediate impact than the mass migration of Brits to the Algarve in the summer. Never rely on statistics over observation.... I'm just providing another point of view to add to the mix. Of course statistics can be manipulated, politicians (and others) build their careers on it. But by anyone's reckoning, 18 million people are going to be more visible than 5 million. Observation - yes, definitely a part of forming an impression. But each of us is one person who comes into contact with a proportionately tiny number of the whole. Observation of the few has its place, but never rely on it over other methods of forming a valid judgment of the many - including statistics ;) |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12257611)
WOW ! You want to say your British? Thats going toooooooooo far SOS :rofl:
Wouldn't really matter which nationality I was Genie, my mum had a wooden spoon that she wielded with great efficiency and effect, so my behavior is always impeccable :angel_smile: |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12257658)
No, it's not a competition and I didn't intend to imply that it was.
I'm just providing another point of view to add to the mix. Of course statistics can be manipulated, politicians (and others) build their careers on it. But by anyone's reckoning, 18 million people are going to be more visible than 5 million. Observation - yes, definitely a part of forming an impression. But each of us is one person who comes into contact with a proportionately tiny number of the whole. Observation of the few has its place, but never rely on it over other methods of forming a valid judgment of the many - including statistics ;) My observation (on the ground) is that French tourism has increased, but in no way matches the level of UK tourism in the Algarve (or in Portugal generally), US tourism exists, but is low level, and the majority of visitors come from the UK, Spain, Holland, Germany and Ireland. Others can confirm or argue that list from their experience. However, the statistics presented don't derive from a representative sample of visitors to Portugal, but of measures around expenditure and hotel occupancy, both of which give a measurable, but unrepresentative sample. We don't really know how the base data was derived - the first is from the Bank of Portugal (but based on what?) - the second is from registrations of "Bed nights (of foreigners in official accommodation)". There is a problem with the latter measure - because only one person needs to register for a room, so we don't know the occupancy or if all occupants were the same nationality (My wife often registers for us as she has an ID card - so we'd be down as Portuguese although we would be travelling from the UK and I am Irish!) The statistics are then being presented by an agency tasked with encouraging investment into Portugal......... So, as I said (with expansion), Never rely on statistics over observation.... unless you are very, very sure of the statistics......... |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12257594)
I don't think I can acquire PT nationality..
Aquisição da Nacionalidade
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12257594)
It won't make any difference to my level of embarrassment though. I am British and will always be proud to say i am. I will also remain angry at those who bring our country into disrepute.
I'm not going to get embarrassed if a fellow Brit / redhead / man / test pilot wants to make a tit of himself. |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 12257643)
IMy O'' level French certainly helped me with basic Portuguese, so there is a connection.
As with all Latin based languages. If you look at the internet, you'll see that "you" is one of the biggest differences between Portuguese and Brazilian - many Brazilians don't recognize "tu" and most Portuguese don't use - and it's informal in Brazil, but formal in Portugal. The trick is knowing just how best to address someone in Portugal - and the truth is that people find ways around it, using "senhor doutor", "senhor (other profession), first name (as with my sister-in-law) - anything but "você"!! |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by macliam
(Post 12257635)
French influence? The Portuguese language owes little to the French.....
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Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12257694)
I think you probably can ;)
Aquisição da Nacionalidade Ah well, if you're going to go about being embarrassed by superficial associations, so be it. I'm not going to get embarrassed if a fellow Brit / redhead / man / test pilot wants to make a tit of himself. |
Re: The embarrassment factor
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12257876)
What? They use quite a lot of it I thought .. ok via Latin.. but for counting etc...Non?
One Two Three Ein Zwei Drei Un Deux Trois Uno Dos Tres Één Twee Drie Um Dois Tres En To Tre Uno Due Tre A hAon (Aon), A Dó (Dó), A Trà (Tri) (The last one is irish - you have to put the numerical particle “a†infront of the number when listing numbers, but not when counting ;) - and that causes anything starting with a vowel to change) If you allow for pronuncaiation changes, I think you'll see the similarity - do you think they all come from French? Finally, French changes the numbers above 80 from the "normal" root used by others....... |
Re: The embarrassment factor
& for something slightly different -
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