gedscottish

This is where I really wish Scotland had won independence!

Red Eric

If you'd given the rest of us a vote on it, you might have

gedscottish

That was the biggest error by Salmond, he should have insisted on the English having a vote, with the daily mail stiring up anti-Scottishness it would have been a been a big YES result!

macliam

"Won" = voted for, I guess.

I don't want to intrude on private grief, but that hardly sounds a hearts and minds thing, if economic issues and currency are the big blockers. It seemed people wanted no-cost independence or independence with guaranteed prosperity. Don't we all?!!

But an anti-EU vote might change things - it depends if those same people see union with Europe a better bet than union with England.....
Maybe life's more complicated than in 1916, or maybe you need a Connolly who stayed at home

Pulaski

It won't affect you, but not for any such pragmatic reasons as you mention. .... It won't affect you because freedom of movement within Europe is nothing to do with the EU, it is a European Economic Area matter - which is why you can go to live and work in Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, or Lichtenstein, none of which are in the European Onion. Any politician who says that Britain can solve the "problem" of European migrants coming to the UK by leaving the EU is lying or ignorant, ..... or both!

Fredbargate

At the time of the referendum Brent Crude was around $95 now it is hovering around $30

What was the Scottish economy going to be based on?

AliceCaroline

I've been trying to read up a little on this. Going to give up now though, I'm a train driver not a politics student.



It seems that most campaign groups want us out of the EU and the EEA.

This is a snippet of a really "interesting" forum thread on the subject.....

They'd both made their positions clear however, including not only LEAVE.EU and VoteLeave but also Global Britain, Better Off Out, Business for Britain (before rolling out into VoteLeave).
In the IEA 2014 Brexit prize every single shortlisted paper also rejected the EEA option. Those left advocating leaving the EU for the EEA are found only on the fringes of the eurosceptic campaign and they risk alienating those in the middle ground that understand a need for the UK to control its own immigration and borders without having to compromise.

GeniB

This however is the big problem with making all these big decisions If they are based on economies,commodities etc.These things rise and fall with the weather. Making a decision now on Brexit will inevitable be made on the 'side ' issue of refugees the product of a war most of Europe isn't involved in nor wanted to be.( now where have I heard that before),rather than the real issue of our position in the world. If the Scottish referendum was decided on Oil and whisky they might be pleased it went the way it did- for the moment anyway

mfesharne

I'm sure refugees will be an important issue to many and it quite rightly should be but I'm equally sure that the Human Rights Act, EU lawmaking & free movement will be at least equally important ....... as they quite rightly should be.

Pulaski

And the common agricultural policy.

mfesharne

I guess also the ridiculous common fisheries policy as well.

Pulaski

That was one of the most offensive and destructive EU policies that pretty much at a stroke destroyed the British fishing industry in favour of Spanish trawlers which were freed to plunder the British territorial waters.

Fredbargate

We do not contribute to either

BritInParis

The misinformation about what staying or leaving will mean is incredible. Our relationship with the various European institutions is actually quite complex but for reasons of expediency is usually boiled down to: Europe = EU.

Of the two big issues - freedom of movement and the European Court of Human Rights - Farage and other Eurospectics are being incredibly disingenuous when they say that leaving the EU is the 'only way to stop uncontrolled migration' or 'ignore the ECHR and regain our sovereignty' as both of those rely on our membership of the EEA and the Council of Europe respectively, neither of which are EU institutions.

By leaving the EU and remaining in the EEA and CoE all we will do is leave ourselves to 'democracy by fax' as the Norwegians have found - having to comply with EU legislation without having any power of veto.

GeniB

And now the markets have made a spectacular collapse on the fears of oil prices dropping further. We cannot make decisions as big as this based on what we 'think' Britain can achieve in a very unstable world