Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12481879)

I haven't scrolled back to see if this has already been mentioned,but is anyone involved in this exercise?
Went out to lunch with friends yesterday ,then back to their home for coffee. They have over 17 hectares and found the GNR and the forestry folks on the doorstep a few weeks ago,with an arial photo of their property .They were instructed to clear all area's marked in red,reduce the height of certain shrubs and tree's etc.All before the 15t of March (a ridiculously short amount of time)

Its now been extended into May before the fines begin. I was astonished at how much work they had had to undertake...What also astonished me...They are no where near close neighbours!!!..
I haven't asked them how much this has cost them..but I imagine its not peanuts...They have subsequently had two more visits from the GNR ....
I haven't heard of this happening to anyone else...

We are classed as living in an urban area so, so far exempt. I would hate to cut down my huge pine tree's ,and plan to fight if it comes to it. Using the excuse that they are home to the endangered Azure Magpies who nest there :o Fingers crossed

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12481915)

Having benefited from the new laws with trees that bordered us now removed we are in favour of the changes
Having see just how fast fires move , not being close to habitation is no defence against the new regulations.
Put this way, a few may be inconvenienced for the safety and security of the many.

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12481879)

home to the endangered Azure Magpies who nest there :o Fingers crossed

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12481987)

Sorry, wrong - it may have worked in your favour, but it's just a knee-jerk from the government to enforce rules that were on the books for years - and it is hitting the wrong people. Eucalyptus are still growing and still too close to roads, etc., but people with pine tree plantations are having to cut them down if the crowns grow too close. People are being forced to remove hedges and ornamental trees in properties which pose no danger to other properties, whilst councils allow cistus to grow uncontrolled on the margins of country roads. AND, in my area, the government are paying out money with one hand to reforest areas whilst taking it back with the other, removing trees that already exist!

... Oh - and if you want to see the rapid spread of fire, check shrub fires. Two years ago I watched one on my property move 200m in 5 minutes.... no trees, no bushes, just dry grass and thistles. The evergreen hedge I am now being told to remove actually stopped the fire reaching my house!!


Have you moved to Asia? I guess you mean the charnecos (Iberian Magpies) - if they're endangered you can re-stock from those around me ...... and hopefully before they strip my olive and fruit trees like last year!!

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12482014)

Whatever you may think and I agree with you re monoculture,the horrendous deaths of last year demanded action.
If the new legislation results in fewer deaths it will be worth it.
GenB can have our azul magpies, cannot believe they are endangered given their rapid spread across the Algarve.
We have see fewer small birds as magpie numbers increase.

Originally Posted by liveaboard (Post 12482019)

GNR troubled my neighbor about his small firewood pile; told him it had to be 50 meters from the house.
I wonder how that will work for people who don't have 50 meters?
They also told him to cut some trees that aren't his.

I'm waiting for them to come by my place and clarify whether I need to clear out the little patch of forest I own alongside the track behind the house; I don't know whether it's considered a road. I don't want to kill all those trees but I will if they say I must.

Originally Posted by Jonny22 (Post 12482139)

Who has 50m to store their wood? I don’t and I’m sure the majority don’t have either. A little pragmatism is needed here with the authorities or 90% of the population will be cold this winter.

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12482044)

But the whole point is IT WON'T - people didn't die incinerated in a garden in the Algarve, not did they perish, immolated by the raging fires across the pine-tree plantations of the Alentejo. They died because nothing had been done to enforce the margins around combustible eucalyptus plantations..... and those around Coimbra/Agueda might tell us how much is being done to the eucalyptus there.

With regard to the cistus, what amazed me in the scrub fire I mentioned was that the cistus didn't actually catch fire! Now, I'm not saying that it wouldn't if fire was applied for a longer period, but it didn't actually help the travel of the flamefront I was fighting. I have been told to remove a freestanding evergreen hedge 3m from my house (but over 100m from my boundary), which not only stops the dust from the dirt road and affords me some privacy, but also stopped fire from reaching my house because it doesn't burn easily.

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12481987)

Sorry, wrong - it may have worked in your favour, but it's just a knee-jerk from the government to enforce rules that were on the books for years - and it is hitting the wrong people. Eucalyptus are still growing and still too close to roads, etc., but people with pine tree plantations are having to cut them down if the crowns grow too close. People are being forced to remove hedges and ornamental trees in properties which pose no danger to other properties, whilst councils allow cistus to grow uncontrolled on the margins of country roads. AND, in my area, the government are paying out money with one hand to reforest areas whilst taking it back with the other, removing trees that already exist!

... Oh - and if you want to see the rapid spread of fire, check shrub fires. Two years ago I watched one on my property move 200m in 5 minutes.... no trees, no bushes, just dry grass and thistles. The evergreen hedge I am now being told to remove actually stopped the fire reaching my house!!


Have you moved to Asia? I guess you mean the charnecos (Iberian Magpies) - if they're endangered you can re-stock from those around me ...... and hopefully before they strip my olive and fruit trees like last year!!

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12482193)

Nope:lol: Our native Magpie is known as the Azure Magpie ( because of the blue wings) and indeed it is also found in Japan... but nowhere else in the world apart from southern Spain and the Algarve.. It might be pinching fruit off you, but your saving an endangered bird :thumbup:

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12482044)

But the whole point is IT WON'T - people didn't die incinerated in a garden in the Algarve, not did they perish, immolated by the raging fires across the pine-tree plantations of the Alentejo. They died because nothing had been done to enforce the margins around combustible eucalyptus plantations..... and those around Coimbra/Agueda might tell us how much is being done to the eucalyptus there.

With regard to the cistus, what amazed me in the scrub fire I mentioned was that the cistus didn't actually catch fire! Now, I'm not saying that it wouldn't if fire was applied for a longer period, but it didn't actually help the travel of the flamefront I was fighting. I have been told to remove a freestanding evergreen hedge 3m from my house (but over 100m from my boundary), which not only stops the dust from the dirt road and affords me some privacy, but also stopped fire from reaching my house because it doesn't burn easily.

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12482195)

The Saul Magpie is thought to have come on boats from Asia,
It is not an endemic European bird but a sub species of that which is commonly found in parts of Asia.
Endangered it is not.