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-   -   2019 - UK EXITS OPEN SKIES AGREEMENT (https://britishexpats.com/forum/portugal-89/2019-uk-exits-open-skies-agreement-900549/)

EMR Mar 9th 2018 4:39 pm
Re: 2019 - UK EXITS OPEN SKIES AGREEMENT
 
Originally Posted by tonisdad (Post 12459464)
LOL so Paddy O`Leary thinks a cheap flight thanks to him..which is getting more expensive by the week..Should affect the Brexit decision.
Funny how he is so worried about us Brits.

Carsten Spohr, the boss of German carrier Lufthansa, added: “In theory, if we could use this industry to prove to the British how wrong the decision was, that might be a good thing.”

Just baffles me why all these foreigners are so worried that the UK voters may have made the wrong decision.......They don`t usually worry about us......Unless they think it might cost them.
I would not worry about Ryan air.
All the major airlines are on a race to the bottom reducing value ,space reduction, reducing what you get for your hard earned pound.
The days of inclusive meals, baggage are comming to an end, it's all plus plus plus.
BA putting in more seats, Virgin 3 classes of economy travel.

scrubbedexpat142 Mar 9th 2018 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Loafing Along (Post 12459455)
Just to give a new twist :

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-brexit-caveat

So they will let you buy a ticket but they cannot guarantee you will be able to fly.. Nice one:confused::confused:
British Railways set the precedent for this many years ago.

007Steve Jul 19th 2018 7:15 am
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UPDATE -
It doesn't look good. Start your contingency planning now........
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lks-could-fail
Here's the sub-link from the article with the Flights portion.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...our-daily-life
I don't think I need to comment...

RichardHenshall Jul 19th 2018 8:08 am
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How does a link to an article from October 2017 constitute an update?

1711JohnB Jul 19th 2018 8:37 am
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Project Fear again. Its about time Spain and Portugal who stand to loose some 7 billion pounds through lost tourism started to get in on the act. An article today from Italy stated that they get some 2.3 billion pounds from the CAP. The article from Italy also stated that we Brits had better start stocking up as we will not get the same quality products from elsewhere. Parmalat seems to come to mind and the adulteration of olive oil. Bring it on.

007Steve Jul 19th 2018 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by RichardHenshall (Post 12535374)
How does a link to an article from October 2017 constitute an update?
... Apologies, I should have inserted the word 'previous' before sub-link.
Shall I shoot myself now?

RichardHenshall Jul 19th 2018 8:59 am
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Your call but that would be worthy of an update. ;)

morpeth Jul 23rd 2018 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12303252)
Well, there is a whole big world of tourists outside the EU! Europe will replace British tourists easily with Indian and Chinese. Imagine India with hundreds of millions of people from the middle class with money! What is 60 million British with their declining pound compared to that?
If that is such a potential why isn't it already happening ? China easily has 60 million people who are middle class compared to many of those who go to get drunk in Spain annually, yet they are not flocking there. ( Though I agree eventually it may be much more significant in the future). Europe benefits from all the British tourists ( at least economically), and British tourists form the low package deals that make it affordable to take holidays in places like Spain. Like most things concerning Brexit on most issues it is decidedly a negative. but the answer is always a "what-if" scenario of something that may or may not happen. Maybe I am wrong but it seems people supporting Brexit do so ultimately for either misguided belief in benefits that wont happen (such as money for the NHS) of fanatic ideology against the EU just out of principle. Emotionally I can understand telling the Europeans off, but as a practical matter I fail to see how Britain's economy will benefit overall from any reduction to the European market.

morpeth Jul 23rd 2018 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by uk_grenada (Post 12395947)
For those who haven’t figured it out yet this is what is actually happening. It was all discussed on bbc last night.

The bremoaners want to scupper the deal, any ammunition they can give junkers etc is very helpful, but think about it, there are british mp’s seeking to thwart the will of the people and incur extra cost for them - is this democratic?.

Any analyses carried out with conclusions informs the uk negotating position, so whatever exists should be kept out of the public domain [ie the mp’s] for now.

Is davis therefore lying to parliament and the analysis exists - yes probably - is this a good thing - yes - is he therefore in contempt of parliament - doubtful as the analysis will be fudged to be named as a specific piece of work for the negotiation, at the behest of the pm / cabinet office, and the mp’s have no right to see it.
If an MP believes something is negative for the UK, is he duty-bound to go by the results of any referendum ? Isn't the point of a representative democracy that we have representatives ?

007Steve Aug 21st 2018 6:01 pm
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Update
(15 mins old)
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8501441.html
Paragraph 3
" Ryanair is warning investors... that planes could be grounded from the day Britain leaves in the event of no agreement to replace the current “open skies” arrangement: “There remains a distinct possibility that there may be no flights, for an unknown period of time, between the UK and the EU from the end of March 2019.”

Andy43 Aug 22nd 2018 9:58 am
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On what planet would the movement of planes, food, medicine and (legal) citizens be instantaneously stopped by a bunch of politicians?
The UK needs trade, people, movement. Car parts, handbags etc. The EU needs the same. Sales of cheese, tattoo'd tourists etc.
No politician relying on local workers employed by local industry for their continuing flow of gravy sorry - opportunity to represent their community, would ever put their heads over the parapet and deliberately put their voters out of a job.
Whatever freeloaders like Juncker dream up in an alcohol-fuelled haze is probably rubbish. Whatever the "boss" of Ryanair rants about - likewise. I wouldn't worry about it.

dingg Aug 22nd 2018 10:10 am
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Project fear nonsense from the remainers
thats ALL it is

007Steve Aug 22nd 2018 5:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Andy43 (Post 12552542)
On what planet would the movement of planes, food, medicine and (legal) citizens be instantaneously stopped by a bunch of politicians?
The UK needs trade, people, movement. Car parts, handbags etc. The EU needs the same. Sales of cheese, tattoo'd tourists etc.
No politician relying on local workers employed by local industry for their continuing flow of gravy sorry - opportunity to represent their community, would ever put their heads over the parapet and deliberately put their voters out of a job.
Whatever freeloaders like Juncker dream up in an alcohol-fuelled haze is probably rubbish. Whatever the "boss" of Ryanair rants about - likewise. I wouldn't worry about it.
.... Don't have a hissy-fit....I'm just updating something.

007Steve Sep 13th 2018 6:27 pm
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Update (3hrs old)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8536316.html
:scaredhair: .... 'Planes - and now trains..... (well, they do control the other end of that... underwater tube thingy).
I just report 'em.... :nod:

rickuk3 Sep 13th 2018 9:52 pm
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Great the UK can save a fortune on building sewage plants, just connect all the UK sewers to the tunnels and pump it to France, after all the EU is full of bull s**t so a bit of human wont matter


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