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chelle_08 Dec 7th 2021 9:04 am

CHILD SUPPORT
 
GOOD DAY I. AM FILIPINA WITH 2 KIDS TO. MY BRITISH HUSBAND I AM MARRIED TO. HIM 11 YEARS AGO AND OUR RELATIONSHIPS ITS NOT REALLY GOOD WE ALWAYS FIGHT. HE IS IN ENGLAND NOW AND IM. HERE PHILIPPINES ME AND AND MY KIDS NEVER BEEN TO UK. SOMETIMES M6 HUSBAND WE HAVE COMMUNICATION IVE ASK. HIM. TO HELP ME IN CHILD SUPPORT SPECIALLY THIS PANDEMIC SEASON.
NOW THIS IS YHE PROBLEM HE DIDINT WANT TO HELP EVERYTIME IVE ASK HIM. MY QUESTION IS

DO WE HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN A CHILD SUPPORT AND ASK HIM TO SUPPORT THE KIDS HERE PHILIPPINES. PLEASE GAVE AS A HOPE I AM DEAPERATE MOTHER. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWERS. GOD BLESS

SanDiegogirl Dec 7th 2021 9:10 am

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You have every right to child support.
You will need a very good lawyer to do so; as the chances of him paying up if he is in England is slim.

chelle_08 Dec 7th 2021 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegogirl (Post 13079454)
You have every right to child support.
You will need a very good lawyer to do so; as the chances of him paying up if he is in England is slim.

Thats my problem idont have money to have a lawyer.everytime i ask my husband support he blocked me

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 7th 2021 11:42 am

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I thought PI did not really do Child Support, but agree something for a local Lawyer.

spouse of scouse Dec 7th 2021 12:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079471)
I thought PI did not really do Child Support, but agree something for a local Lawyer.

The OP is seeking child support from a British citizen living in the UK, which she has a legal right to.

Philosophical 11 Dec 7th 2021 12:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079471)
I thought PI did not really do Child Support, but agree something for a local Lawyer.

The estranged father must by law provide financial support for his children in the Philippines. I am not sure of the mechanics pertaining to this but I know that a Family Court can be involved, but I think in many cases an amicable agreement is reached. However as per most things Philippines...an NFI attitude is adopted.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 7th 2021 12:30 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 13079477)
The OP is seeking child support from a British citizen living in the UK, which she has a legal right to.

I never said otherwise, and I believe PI is signed up for REMO so first the Lawyer.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 7th 2021 12:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Philosophical 11 (Post 13079478)
The estranged father must by law provide financial support for his children in the Philippines. I am not sure of the mechanics pertaining to this but I know that a Family Court can be involved, but I think in many cases an amicable agreement is reached. However as per most things Philippines...an NFI attitude is adopted.

I assume NFI means a lot more theoretical than practical,

Philosophical 11 Dec 7th 2021 12:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079480)
I assume NFI means a lot more theoretical than practical,

NFI....Not Flipping Interested.

For some reason I didn't see the original post and replied accordingly. Sadly I cannot see any easy solution for the OP. I would suggest she goes to a free government attorney for advice. They are available if her income is less than 10k pm.

I wish her luck....

Raffin Dec 7th 2021 1:15 pm

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The warnings do not encourage a parent in the OPs situation to apply but there is an email link to REMO in the UK and you never know, they might be helpful:

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles...rs-remos#toc-0




scrubbedexpat099 Dec 7th 2021 1:18 pm

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First she needs something to enforce.

chelle_08 Dec 7th 2021 10:25 pm

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thank you for all the comments.but idont think i can file a complain and get a lawyer i am poor.ijust need really want to.know if me and my kids have right to have a financial support to thier father living in uk thank you

Philosophical 11 Dec 7th 2021 11:11 pm

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Originally Posted by chelle_08 (Post 13079555)
thank you for all the comments.but idont think i can file a complain and get a lawyer i am poor.ijust need really want to.know if me and my kids have right to have a financial support to thier father living in uk thank you

You have a moral and legal right for child support. What did the government attorney say which is free of charge as I have suggested?

chelle_08 Dec 7th 2021 11:15 pm

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their said that they are not sure of thats issue because my husband is living in uk and we are here in philippines
and their not covered thats issue

Raffin Dec 8th 2021 5:54 am

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Another international agreement which the Philippines is a signatory to but seems to do nothing.
You talk about child support and I assume you're not getting any money at all from him.
He either won't or can't help you. If it's won't can you get the help of anyone else there..his friends, relatives to put pressure on him?

chelle_08 Dec 8th 2021 9:25 am

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Originally Posted by Raffin (Post 13079669)
Another international agreement which the Philippines is a signatory to but seems to do nothing.
You talk about child support and I assume you're not getting any money at all from him.
He either won't or can't help you. If it's won't can you get the help of anyone else there..his friends, relatives to put pressure on him?

even his relatives blocked even i ask them to force their son to support us

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 8th 2021 10:21 am

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Only you can decide if it is practical but you start with your local Court and then seek to have it enforced, now for that to happen in the UK you need to know where he is and of course that he has money they can go after.

Gazza-d Dec 8th 2021 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079717)
Only you can decide if it is practical but you start with your local Court and then seek to have it enforced, now for that to happen in the UK you need to know where he is and of course that he has money they can go after.

Could it be possible that the children should receive UK child benifit.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 8th 2021 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by Gazza-d (Post 13079727)
Could it be possible that the children should receive UK child benefit.

Well sort of, the UK authorities would seek to enforce any award.

Gazza-d Dec 8th 2021 7:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079729)
Well sort of, the UK authorities would seek to enforce any award.

Child benefit is a universal benifit paid by the government directly to the mother. I don't know how much it would be but was about £25 per child per week so not insignificant in the Philippines. Child support is something totally different and paid to the mother by the absent parent.

mikemike Dec 8th 2021 7:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Gazza-d (Post 13079770)
Child benefit is a universal benifit paid by the government directly to the mother. I don't know how much it would be but was about £25 per child per week so not insignificant in the Philippines. Child support is something totally different and paid to the mother by the absent parent.

UK child benefit can only be paid to uk resident beneficiaries

Raffin Dec 9th 2021 9:02 am

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Not worth doing anything if your husband hasn't got a decent income now. Did he maintain his job through the pandemic?

christmasoompa Dec 9th 2021 9:17 am

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Originally Posted by mikemike (Post 13079771)
UK child benefit can only be paid to uk resident beneficiaries

It can actually be paid to people living abroad too, but only in certain countries. Sadly for the OP, the Philippines isn’t among them. https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-abroad

Gazza-d Dec 9th 2021 10:48 am

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 13079998)
It can actually be paid to people living abroad too, but only in certain countries. Sadly for the OP, the Philippines isn’t among them. https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-abroad

Yes but if the husband is not a total ahole he could set it up in the uk for her to draw.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 13079998)
It can actually be paid to people living abroad too, but only in certain countries. Sadly for the OP, the Philippines isn’t among them. https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-abroad

I think that is when you are getting it and move.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 10:50 am

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Originally Posted by Gazza-d (Post 13080022)
Yes but if the husband is not a total ahole he could set it up in the uk for her to draw.

Nether her or the children are UK resident.

Gazza-d Dec 9th 2021 10:55 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13080024)
Nether her or the children are UK resident.

I don't know if it is still the case but it was not unusual for eu workers to claim for their children back in easter Europe.

Raffin Dec 9th 2021 11:06 am

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Originally Posted by Gazza-d (Post 13080025)
I don't know if it is still the case but it was not unusual for eu workers to claim for their children back in easter Europe.

Exempted as they were workers. They needed to show they planned to stay. Also included Swiss and those from the EEA.

britishbull Dec 12th 2021 1:10 am

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British law will apply to the husband if he is living in the UK, if he is on benefits some of that money will be taken off the benefits - it is not a huge amount but it would go quite far in the PI. If he has a decent income then it becomes serious dosh for PI. There are some lawyers in the PI who will pursue the matter for free in return for a cut of the proceeds. Would probably have to have his name on the birth certificate.

We don't know the background, though, if a Filipino boyfriend is lurking in the background then it would be important that he can't get a cut of the money.

BTW EU women in the UK could claim child benefit even if their kids were back home so it is probably necessary for the Filipina to be in the UK to do that.

Red_Wine_Fairy Dec 14th 2021 6:14 am

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I'm not sure if this would apply to your circumstances?

https://www.gov.uk/child-maintenance...h-organisation

SanDiegogirl Dec 14th 2021 6:20 am

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There is no Reciprocal Enforcement of Maintenance Orders (REMO) in the Philippines, so the mother cannot get any order enforced while the father is in the UK.

Red_Wine_Fairy Dec 14th 2021 6:37 am

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Originally Posted by britishbull (Post 13080635)
We don't know the background, though, if a Filipino boyfriend is lurking in the background then it would be important that he can't get a cut of the money.

That is a totally abhorrent and vindictive response to the woman who started this topic. She doesn't get to skip off to another country when the relationship turned sour, but is left holding the babies alone.

If the British man had an 11 year relationship with this woman, and had children with her, then he has a moral obligation to support those children he created - end of story. If he has left her for good, he has no right, nor even a need to know, how the woman spends that money. Or do you believe he is also no longer entitled to a future relationship or to spend money on a future girlfriend (don't answer, it was rhetorical - it's obvious what you think). HE created those children and is obliged to provide for their wellbeing and education until they reach their majority. If he didn't want children, contraception is available for men too. There is no reason ever that justifies a man from just walking away financially as well as emotionally from his offspring, and to say otherwise to to do a great disservice not only to this woman, but to fathers everywhere who are in the opposite but equally distressing situation. If he were to provide financially and she were not to care for them properly, they would know the truth one day, but that is unlikely to happen as their mother is already doing her best to protect them.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 14th 2021 7:11 am

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Child support as it’s name implies is for supporting the children not the mother that would be something separate.

SanDiegogirl Dec 14th 2021 8:04 am

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Discussions regarding child support for a child who is in the Phillipines and father is in the UK is somewhat moot.
Unless mother has lots of money to spend on lawyers who can chase the UK father in the UK (and from what she has posted she has not) then she is not going to get anything from this dead beat dad and his family.
While he might be obligated to support his children, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to make him do so - just another story (of many) of Fillipino women (and others from countries in the same area) who have children by European men and get left in the lurch.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 14th 2021 8:22 am

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To be fair I have seen a lot of such Jen take on single PI mothers

Raffin Dec 14th 2021 10:10 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13081257)
To be fair I have seen a lot of such Jen take on single PI mothers

Well said, almost certainly a net "surplus" and tend to be the retired rather than the obviously younger husband of the OP. Part of the implicit contract to have a much younger wife at an older age. One estimate puts the number pf single mothers here at 2M. They're prominent on dating sites and an allowance to be made for the many others who don't say they have kids. Unfortunately being married puts off many foreigners due to the complications that could involve and the 13(a) visa not available.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 14th 2021 10:20 am

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Always surprised me that in supposedly Catholic country there were so many unmarried mothers, the general lack of divorce may be a factor.

I am not so sure about the age, yes I have seen some scary differences, old enough to be the Grandad and for reasons I can not explain just assumed he was a lot older.

I understand why it happens, lots of issues all coming together created it. Probably worse things.

Raffin Dec 14th 2021 10:52 am

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In some cases it may well look scary and the large age difference shocking, but there is a sort of contract. mainly involving substantial monetary help. In many other cases where the older Expat is healthy, experienced and active, it's money plus much other help for women ignored by local men.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 14th 2021 11:21 am

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There is nothing new in that, you only have to read Pride and Prejudice. I was thinking more the inter national aspect, which certainly was not practical for most. There are also societal changes in western culture that are kicking this in to higher gear. The Internet obviously, and no doubt a few more factors. I would think it will only expand.

The societal consequences take much longer to catch up with reality.

Raffin Dec 14th 2021 11:51 am

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No, nothing new, just on a larger scale and international...when you say it was not practical, what do you mean?

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