Why The Deliberate Put Down
Mar 3rd 2008, 9:38 pm
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Why The Deliberate Put Down
It would appear to me that many of the skilled workers (including nurses) that are enticed into coming to Australia to fill the skills shortage are then treated like scivvies. Across a number of trades everyone seems to have to take a few steps backwards to get onto the ladder. The very skills and qualifications that allowed for the visa to be awarded then have to be subject to Australian Paperwork that means starting again in some cases. Site managers have to become brickies again, experienced nurses are put to the bottom of the ladder, due to what? From what I have read on a number of posts concerning my OH's speciality (district & practice nursing ) the Australians are years behind the UK in accepting the abilities of a trained nurse. They don't seem to have heard of autonomy for nurses. Ye gods, allow a nurse to make a decision without a doctor present, whatever next!
Rant over, sorry about that!!
Rant over, sorry about that!!
Mar 4th 2008, 7:23 am
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
yep I was a health visitor in uk and now feel like I am going to be functioning at student nurse level, not sure I will be able to stand it, little responsiblity seemed like a good idea when in uk but now I know it will drive me crazy.
Mar 4th 2008, 8:50 am
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Tillysmum, Sorry to hear that what I have eluded to is what you are experiencing. My OH is looking at moving into Health Visiting, not sure if it will be worth the effort now.
Having jumped through all of the hoops you feel ready to carry on and progress. It almost seems as if there is a layer of protection for the natives so that experienced nurses from a more progressive system don't have an advantage.
Maybe someone should tell them it is called progress and embracing it would go a long way to improving things.
Having jumped through all of the hoops you feel ready to carry on and progress. It almost seems as if there is a layer of protection for the natives so that experienced nurses from a more progressive system don't have an advantage.
Maybe someone should tell them it is called progress and embracing it would go a long way to improving things.
Mar 4th 2008, 11:55 pm
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I guess I must be one of the fortuneate ones as I have been offered a 'Shift Leaders' position, so it's an actual promotion for me. I work in Mental Health so opportunities may be different ?
Mar 5th 2008, 7:25 am
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I know exactly how your OH feels, being a PN from UK...I cant find anything I like but keep my fingers crossed that it will improve! I think there are loads of highly qualified PNs over here doing jobs well below their capabilities....maybe we should all band together and do something about it....
not sure what tho!!!!:
not sure what tho!!!!:
Mar 5th 2008, 9:12 am
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I know exactly how your OH feels, being a PN from UK...I cant find anything I like but keep my fingers crossed that it will improve! I think there are loads of highly qualified PNs over here doing jobs well below their capabilities....maybe we should all band together and do something about it....not sure what tho!!!!:
not sure what tho!!!!:
Mar 5th 2008, 12:19 pm
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
It would appear to me that many of the skilled workers (including nurses) that are enticed into coming to Australia to fill the skills shortage are then treated like scivvies. Across a number of trades everyone seems to have to take a few steps backwards to get onto the ladder. The very skills and qualifications that allowed for the visa to be awarded then have to be subject to Australian Paperwork that means starting again in some cases. Site managers have to become brickies again, experienced nurses are put to the bottom of the ladder, due to what? From what I have read on a number of posts concerning my OH's speciality (district & practice nursing ) the Australians are years behind the UK in accepting the abilities of a trained nurse. They don't seem to have heard of autonomy for nurses. Ye gods, allow a nurse to make a decision without a doctor present, whatever next!
Rant over, sorry about that!!
Rant over, sorry about that!!
Mar 5th 2008, 7:18 pm
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
If I can be devils advocate here....
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
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Mar 5th 2008, 10:54 pm
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
If I can be devils advocate here....
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
We arrive in Tas 6 weeks ago and on monday I started at LGH in the pool and my OH stated work in Child procetion Social Work.
I was a Level 3 nurse in UK in HDU (Sister/band 7) and now I am working on the general ortho ward as a level 1 nurse AND I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER!!!!
Work/life balance- it is great here and I cannot think of 1 thing to complain about!
Cathy
(who is a glass 1/2 full kinda person anyway!)
Mar 6th 2008, 1:38 am
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
If I can be devils advocate here....
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
Mar 6th 2008, 3:27 pm
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
If I can be devils advocate here....
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
We are here to plug a gap and as such they don't expect us to want to climb the career ladder as soon as we set foot on Aussie soil.
So if they want a nurse, you will work as a nurse don't expect to start applying for promotions of grades or put on management courses straight away. I spoke to a recruitment agency in Brisbane back in 2005 when I was working there and even she (who was british) told me a lot of aussie employers pick natives over the immigrants. It does happen but there are exceptions.
Don't forget we CHOSE to come out here, nobody put a gun to our heads. I'd be happy just to be living in Australia, and hopefully i'll be there in early '09. You should consider yourselves lucky and stop living up to the 'whinging pom' monika we are given by the aussies.
Didn't we all leave or wanna leave for the excellent lifestyle this country can offer us?
Step back for moment and be grateful how lucky you all are... you have a skill and talent that is your passport to work in many different countries. Not everyone can say that and have to make do living in the same town, city or country the whole of their lives.
Smile people, you're in Australia!!!
you are so right
Mar 6th 2008, 4:17 pm
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Jam76, I understand where you are coming from. My post was made after reading several posts from nurses in the specialist areas that my OH deals in. It could be that Oz is actually behind the UK in nurse autonomy. I wasn't attempting to be a winging pom just asking why the apparant put down across a number of trades? It may be that other trades are affected more than nursing. France had a protectionist attitude to jobs on the ski slopes. My brother had qualifications to reach ski-ing to quite a high standard but couldn't get a job on the French slopes because he didn't have the French piece of paper which, if taken elsewhere in Europe was actually at a lower level than his own quals. You would consider that, as the UK is not a 3rd world country (yet!), another commonwealth country would accept professional qualifications at face value (such as the ANMC does) but alas there is quite often extra exams to do to become recognised in Oz. It would appear that some are happy to be free from the pressures they were once under as supervisors by becoming an indian again and kicking back, others have found themselves frustrated by what is percieved as a system that is behind the Uk in many areas in terms of best practice. Yes the lifestyle is what we want and what we hope to get (in the current economic climate it isn't for a cheaper existence) but some can manage the lifestyle they want and still be ready to move forward from day because they feel that they can.
Mar 6th 2008, 6:16 pm
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Re: Why The Deliberate Put Down
Jam76, I understand where you are coming from. My post was made after reading several posts from nurses in the specialist areas that my OH deals in. It could be that Oz is actually behind the UK in nurse autonomy. I wasn't attempting to be a winging pom just asking why the apparant put down across a number of trades? It may be that other trades are affected more than nursing. France had a protectionist attitude to jobs on the ski slopes. My brother had qualifications to reach ski-ing to quite a high standard but couldn't get a job on the French slopes because he didn't have the French piece of paper which, if taken elsewhere in Europe was actually at a lower level than his own quals. You would consider that, as the UK is not a 3rd world country (yet!), another commonwealth country would accept professional qualifications at face value (such as the ANMC does) but alas there is quite often extra exams to do to become recognised in Oz. It would appear that some are happy to be free from the pressures they were once under as supervisors by becoming an indian again and kicking back, others have found themselves frustrated by what is percieved as a system that is behind the Uk in many areas in terms of best practice. Yes the lifestyle is what we want and what we hope to get (in the current economic climate it isn't for a cheaper existence) but some can manage the lifestyle they want and still be ready to move forward from day because they feel that they can.
Hey we're all friends on here striving for the same thing. Happiness and contentment. Wasn't my intention to destroy what you said in your post, we all have our perogatives. Good luck to ya anyway
Jamie
