Why did you leave NZ?
#31
Oh calm yourself down! 
Saying "this may explain why there is such a dichotomy of opinion about the country" does not equal "calling all the people who "fit into" or settle into NZ a bunch of thickos, and all of those that leave are fabbo intellectuals."
It's obvious that not everyone who leaves is a "fabbo intellectual" and that the "brain drain" is a figment of an underdeveloped imagination.

Saying "this may explain why there is such a dichotomy of opinion about the country" does not equal "calling all the people who "fit into" or settle into NZ a bunch of thickos, and all of those that leave are fabbo intellectuals."
It's obvious that not everyone who leaves is a "fabbo intellectual" and that the "brain drain" is a figment of an underdeveloped imagination.
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Depends if you're a fabbo intellectual or not
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Dannigirl this thread is asking "Why did you leave NZ?" you've not answered that question yet.
Why did you?
Why did you?
#34
Child protection desires satisfied, suitable level of cynicism with the system present, older, wiser, married to a Brit, have one little girl and another on the way and feel very strongly that the future for our family is in NZ
Yay, do I pass?
#35
I lurch from one excuse to another to stay here.
Ultimately, I no longer have the will or the drive to take on the project to get us and all our stuff outta this place. I feel like I am at the bottom of a pit and there's no way for me to climb up and out - it's just seems unfathomable and don't have the strength or tools to organise all that stuff all over again. It's so far away in the too hard basket, so I'm just staying at the bottom of the pit walking in circles and treading water for a while. I still, despite knowing now that this is highly unlikely, have some hope that things will improve.
The goalposts just get moved further out as you get sucked into the daily grind all the more and your resistance gets weaker. First off we're told we have to stay for the summer, the weather will get better .... then we have to give it a chance, stay for at least one year.... then it becomes two years, you'll feel better after two years...... you know a year is really not enough.
You go home for a visit....... apparently that's what you need to do after two years to make you realise how wonderful it is here...... nope that didn't work it made you feel worse......so perhaps it's where you live you need to move. You move and still there's something not right, perhaps it's the job? It goes on and on and before we know it, six years are gone. I can't see the way out but I am ever hopeful that a door will open and all will be revealed, we're lost and just need to find the sign, find the right path.
Emigrating really does suck the guts out of you and I don't believe it can even be considered on a par to folks who talk of doing OEs and staying away longer than they initially intended. Those that go on OEs rarely have established a career, home, routines, commitments or families and usually fall into the category of young free and single. I can however understand the effort required to come back to NZ again after a long period away, with established families, mixed relationships, issues with grandparents etc. it is almost akin to being a new immigrant and having to start all over. The difference is you are coming home to the welcoming arms of old friends and family, okay albeit MILs from hell, but at least they are people you could call upon in the middle of the night or whatever. There's a lot to be said for that.
Ultimately, I no longer have the will or the drive to take on the project to get us and all our stuff outta this place. I feel like I am at the bottom of a pit and there's no way for me to climb up and out - it's just seems unfathomable and don't have the strength or tools to organise all that stuff all over again. It's so far away in the too hard basket, so I'm just staying at the bottom of the pit walking in circles and treading water for a while. I still, despite knowing now that this is highly unlikely, have some hope that things will improve.
The goalposts just get moved further out as you get sucked into the daily grind all the more and your resistance gets weaker. First off we're told we have to stay for the summer, the weather will get better .... then we have to give it a chance, stay for at least one year.... then it becomes two years, you'll feel better after two years...... you know a year is really not enough.
You go home for a visit....... apparently that's what you need to do after two years to make you realise how wonderful it is here...... nope that didn't work it made you feel worse......so perhaps it's where you live you need to move. You move and still there's something not right, perhaps it's the job? It goes on and on and before we know it, six years are gone. I can't see the way out but I am ever hopeful that a door will open and all will be revealed, we're lost and just need to find the sign, find the right path.
Emigrating really does suck the guts out of you and I don't believe it can even be considered on a par to folks who talk of doing OEs and staying away longer than they initially intended. Those that go on OEs rarely have established a career, home, routines, commitments or families and usually fall into the category of young free and single. I can however understand the effort required to come back to NZ again after a long period away, with established families, mixed relationships, issues with grandparents etc. it is almost akin to being a new immigrant and having to start all over. The difference is you are coming home to the welcoming arms of old friends and family, okay albeit MILs from hell, but at least they are people you could call upon in the middle of the night or whatever. There's a lot to be said for that.
I do have A LOT of respect for people that emigrate to an entire new country especially with a family in tow, as much as I love NZ and miss the land, food, culture, the kiwiness...what is comes down to is that in London we have very little family support and we need and want that support. Friends here are just not the same, although if my lifestyle in London was better maybe they would be. It depends on so many things.
I feel sad for your Bo. Times like this I wish we had a real bar so we could all sit, have a few beers/wines/whiskey chasers, a natter and put the world to rights.
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We left NZ in 2007 to go to Australia as my husband got a promotion at work (Australasian role) but based in Sydney. He works for a multinational and the opportunity & experience for him to progress his career was simply too good to pass up.
We are now back in NZ (have been the past year) and are thinking of leaving again- to go back to Sydney - when my current contract finishes in April of next year. Again the main reason is job opportunities ! We got moved back to NZ with my husband's work a year ago - were really excited to be coming back - and naively I thought my work experience in Sydney (in two senior contract Finance roles at two very large companies) would stand me in good stead to secure a juicy role back in Auckland. How wrong could I have been - simply very few opportunities around last winter due to economic conditions and getting told up against 100 applicants for some jobs plus totally scrutinized over why I had done recent contract work.
Luckily I am working now but only at around probably 60% capacity as the role I am doing could almost be part-time outwith financial year end. It's so frustrating to know you are capable of so much more but your role just doesn't allow or accommodate it - careerwise I definitely feel I have gone backward since coming back to Auckland.
Another factor for us considering leaving NZ again is also money & super. When we were in Sydney previously my hubs and I were earning around 45% more than what we are currently in NZ. I know money isn't everything and I'm not extravagant at all - but a high priority for me as a British expat away from my family for over 13 years & with ageing parents, is to get home to visit them more regularly and actually have a decent amount of super when I retire to perhaps spend a month or two annually in the UK with siblings & their families. Living in Australia definitely would make that more achievable & affordable - esp given that employer super contributions are going up to 12% vs the equivalent pitiful NZ Kiwisaver of 3%.
And finally I find NZ very small, isolated and parochial now that I have come back from Australia. I also find the economic outlook rather grim - we are now ranked 57th in terms of GDP per capita with Nigeria & Morocco bettering us and our standard of living since 2004 getting progressively worse.
Our environmental credentials leave a lot of be desired and since I first arrived in NZ to live in 1998, find the political leadership & Government rather weak, un-inspiring and stuck in a time warp (regardless of what party is in power). Personally I think the country is going down the pan and to be honest I don't think many people care that much either.
So our main reason is job opportunities and standard of living. Friends & family can be easily visited for long weekends & holidays between Australia and New Zealand.
We are now back in NZ (have been the past year) and are thinking of leaving again- to go back to Sydney - when my current contract finishes in April of next year. Again the main reason is job opportunities ! We got moved back to NZ with my husband's work a year ago - were really excited to be coming back - and naively I thought my work experience in Sydney (in two senior contract Finance roles at two very large companies) would stand me in good stead to secure a juicy role back in Auckland. How wrong could I have been - simply very few opportunities around last winter due to economic conditions and getting told up against 100 applicants for some jobs plus totally scrutinized over why I had done recent contract work.
Luckily I am working now but only at around probably 60% capacity as the role I am doing could almost be part-time outwith financial year end. It's so frustrating to know you are capable of so much more but your role just doesn't allow or accommodate it - careerwise I definitely feel I have gone backward since coming back to Auckland.
Another factor for us considering leaving NZ again is also money & super. When we were in Sydney previously my hubs and I were earning around 45% more than what we are currently in NZ. I know money isn't everything and I'm not extravagant at all - but a high priority for me as a British expat away from my family for over 13 years & with ageing parents, is to get home to visit them more regularly and actually have a decent amount of super when I retire to perhaps spend a month or two annually in the UK with siblings & their families. Living in Australia definitely would make that more achievable & affordable - esp given that employer super contributions are going up to 12% vs the equivalent pitiful NZ Kiwisaver of 3%.
And finally I find NZ very small, isolated and parochial now that I have come back from Australia. I also find the economic outlook rather grim - we are now ranked 57th in terms of GDP per capita with Nigeria & Morocco bettering us and our standard of living since 2004 getting progressively worse.
Our environmental credentials leave a lot of be desired and since I first arrived in NZ to live in 1998, find the political leadership & Government rather weak, un-inspiring and stuck in a time warp (regardless of what party is in power). Personally I think the country is going down the pan and to be honest I don't think many people care that much either.
So our main reason is job opportunities and standard of living. Friends & family can be easily visited for long weekends & holidays between Australia and New Zealand.
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I left NZ for money and because the OH had wanted to try Oz for a long time (I am a kiwi he is english).
Those are my only reasons.
If I could have earnt similar money in NZ I probably wouldnt have left.
I am in Sydney and I find the cost of living to be ridiculously high (I pay 60% of my weekly take home wages into rent compared to aout 25% of my weekly NZ take home wages, and a similar ratio applies to groceries also - as just one example) and the lifestyle here isn't that great.
Mostly though, I find living in Australia to be fairly similar to living in NZ except all the houses are brick here LOL
I am sure I could go into more detail about differences but at the end of the day my main motivation was money. I moved with the same company (a NZ company) and suddely my wages jumped....ridiculous
And maybe also because at 29 I had never left the North Island so it was time for a bit of adventure.
I miss NZ, I love my country....but who knows if and when I will ever be back (I dont go for holidays because I dont like flying LOL)
Those are my only reasons.
If I could have earnt similar money in NZ I probably wouldnt have left.
I am in Sydney and I find the cost of living to be ridiculously high (I pay 60% of my weekly take home wages into rent compared to aout 25% of my weekly NZ take home wages, and a similar ratio applies to groceries also - as just one example) and the lifestyle here isn't that great.
Mostly though, I find living in Australia to be fairly similar to living in NZ except all the houses are brick here LOL
I am sure I could go into more detail about differences but at the end of the day my main motivation was money. I moved with the same company (a NZ company) and suddely my wages jumped....ridiculous
And maybe also because at 29 I had never left the North Island so it was time for a bit of adventure.
I miss NZ, I love my country....but who knows if and when I will ever be back (I dont go for holidays because I dont like flying LOL)
Last edited by bananalana; Jul 9th 2011 at 12:45 pm.
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I think you may have been looking at Gross Domestic Product itself (which of course being a small country NZ will not figure highly on) instead of GDP per capita.
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My mistake - yes stats are GDP - 57th in the world behind Nigeria & Kazakhstan and GDP per capita 20% behind average OECD countries (22 out of 30 OECD countries) according to www.pureadvantage.org
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Yep you are correct - I was quoting GDP not GDP per capita.
However on a GDP per capita basis, apparently NZ is 22 out of 30 OECD countries which is still not a great stat
However on a GDP per capita basis, apparently NZ is 22 out of 30 OECD countries which is still not a great stat
#42
So you were comparing NZ's total output with that of countries who have tens (hundreds, in the case of Nigeria) of millions of people? 
Whilst you were looking at GDPs, did you notice how close Britains is getting to Canada and Australia (with 1/2 and 1/3 of Britain's population, respectively)?

Whilst you were looking at GDPs, did you notice how close Britains is getting to Canada and Australia (with 1/2 and 1/3 of Britain's population, respectively)?
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Yep, britain had it's day in the sun in
the 19th century. Then the US in
the 20th and now it's China and India's
turn. Everyone knew it was coming
but not as quickly as it has and hence
the reason why now western govts are
now trying to promote happiness
indices and quality of life measures
to distract us all from the true
underlying traditional economic stats.
Have read of various predictions of
GFC 2 by end if 2013 at the latest.
the 19th century. Then the US in
the 20th and now it's China and India's
turn. Everyone knew it was coming
but not as quickly as it has and hence
the reason why now western govts are
now trying to promote happiness
indices and quality of life measures
to distract us all from the true
underlying traditional economic stats.
Have read of various predictions of
GFC 2 by end if 2013 at the latest.
#44
or you could say western govts are trying to sustain happiness by printing money and running up deficits, all this before their baby boomers have even retired. wait until that happens for the problems to really pile up
i think the mc broon debt binge of 1998-2008 will be remembered as britain's "last hurrah", an upwards blip in a pattern of terminal economic decline
but what do i know
i think the mc broon debt binge of 1998-2008 will be remembered as britain's "last hurrah", an upwards blip in a pattern of terminal economic decline
but what do i know
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or you could say western govts are trying to sustain happiness by printing money and running up deficits, all this before their baby boomers have even retired. wait until that happens for the problems to really pile up
i think the mc broon debt binge of 1998-2008 will be remembered as britain's "last hurrah", an upwards blip in a pattern of terminal economic decline
but what do i know
i think the mc broon debt binge of 1998-2008 will be remembered as britain's "last hurrah", an upwards blip in a pattern of terminal economic decline
but what do i know



