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Aah, the return of the good old kiwi ¼ acre dream. Of course there'll have to be more treaty talks and compensation payments as much of the affordable land is in Maori hands.

​​​​​​As for travel, give it time and normal service will be resumed, money will flow and all the talk of diversifying the economy will be forgotten. Kiwis will remember their place and pull their head down from the parapet We'll settle back into our happy little world selling our souls to the Chinese but complaining endlessly about it

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You blokes make me chuckle.

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And it's lights out on the race to vaccinate. Hopefully any bottlenecking is in production and not administration of vaccines, it would be terrible if a Governments cost lived by fumbling the rollout.

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Less of your apathy BEVS. Even our Prime Minister has given up and got on board with the program. You can more or less draw a straight line between expensive and infinity.

Interestingly this now impacting peoples behaviours. For example the fertility rate fell from just over 2.1, where it had been stable for many years, to 1.6 over less than a decade. So much for all of our forecasts about a Covid baby boom, New Zealanders can't afford to have children any more.

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Hoping that travel will gradually open up at least in time for Xmas 2021.
By that time there should have been significant vaccination and proof of a vaccination plus a negative Covid test should be enough to classify people as safe to travel.
I think that if initial travellers were quarantined to confirm that they didn't import Covid, then after 3 months the restrictions could be eased.

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Or perhaps it's personal choice and has nothing to do with money. Parenthood isn't for everyone 🙂

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Quite Pom_ChCh. Quite. It could also be that young NZers have got sensible in their expectations and , like several young couples I know, have decided to go that good old fashioned route . Bought do-ups. Are saving and have chosen to wait to have kids whilst they get themselves sorted. Rather than have the kids and then bewail what they then cannot afford to achieve.

Thread title was about the vaccine . Now it seems it is yet another thread for those anti Adern & the current Govt to find ways to have their little pops. *sigh* It's boring.

Covid Vaccine Planning NZ

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Thanks BEVS. There was some talk of early participants needing to download an app. to track any side effects but I've not heard it mentioned since.

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How long till someone claims the vaccination plan is racist and goes against the treaty

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No doubt that any inequity will be avoided by way of a separately targeted campaign with dedicated teams set up specifically for Maori Whanau and pacific people. ;)

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Well, we have had our first dose (Pfizer) and hope/expect to have our second dose around end April beginning of May.
Perhaps even earlier as our local GP practice seems to be well ahead of the centralised NHS mass vaccination clinics.

Assuming NZ will be done by the end of this calendar year and may then be able to gently open up to tourists.

We are conflicted; we want to get to NZ a.s.a.p. but don't want to add to the risk to our family members who are safe and well behind the safety measures.

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I don't see how you would be conflicted; this Government simply will not allow or enable you to put your family members or other new Zealanders at risk. Travel will not be opened up until majority of people here and elsewhere have had the vaccine and no doubt some forms of isolation measures and checking on vaccine status for incoming people from overseas will need to be put in place.

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Na at some point after so much % of the population has been vaccinated. They are going to have to let the virus spread and control it.
They can't let the virus run now because of the poor health care system.
As soon as the border opens up your going get the virus in NZ no matter what.
But if a high % of the population has been vaccinated it will be like containing the flu just now.

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I am under the impression that the vaccine NZ will be using initially is 95% effective. I think that means it is good enough to take care of the virus before the person gets any symptoms, in 95% of cases. So I don't think there will be any rush to relax the border until all those that want to be vaccinated have received it.

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The BioNTech/Pfizer one has been well proven as effective against all variants so far.

MIQ doesn't appear to be capable of handling demand any more, it's presently fully booked as far in advance as bookings are allowed.

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I'll be getting it early on in Oz as I've been working in an Aged care facility 😊

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I'd be surprised if NZ is open this time next year.

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I read that NZ hopes to have all vaccinated by the end of the year, ie 5 million in 10 months; pretty lousy in my opinion. Chile, has vaccinatec just under 3 million in 3 weeks.

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I think the issue is vaccine supply. New Zealands main order isn't due to arrive until June or July. The government will be eager to do this rapidly as otherwise one coughy boy could spoil the party.
Regarding travel I'm not sure if there is a substantial benefit of keeping borders closed once everyone who wants a vaccine has had one? It seems that Coronavirus will become endemic in human populations anyway. That said I expect easing will be cautious with triplicate testing replacing MIQ.

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Me too.

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It seems to be a pretty low bar when you consider UK has delivered 18 million doses in 11 weeks - the UK stuffed up many things along the way but are going great guns on the vaccination programme, as they had the foresight to invest a considerable amount in both an early orders of various vaccines and also in the planning the rollout which has helped a lot. I appreciate however that we are pretty lucky and are at the end of a long queue in terms of any desperate requirement for the vaccine and the ability to maintain global supply requirements will be the limiting factor that will determine when we get ours.

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Apparently the Eu isn't keen on the Astra Zeneca and they have loads of stock.
They are also massive anti-vaxxers.
However this doesn't mean that they are willing to donate stocks to other countries.
Especially after the fuss they kicked up about slower vaccine delivery (which they are now not using).

Anyway, best of luck with the roll out.
It would be nice to be able to travel to NZ by January 2022.

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The situation in many EU countries is very frustrating with vaccine sitting in warehouses because they won't release doses to lower risk groups even as they are entering a third wave. My view if that you either take the vaccine on offer or get to the back of the queue. The brutal reality of the situation is that they need to hit that 70% vaccination target as fast as possible.

To my surprise, outside of Israel, no government has been prepared to start their vaccination program. Speaking of which, how is ours going so far?

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I know we're still in this holding pattern whereby some days can feel like weeks; but they did only start last Friday with vaccinating the vaccinators. In news yesterday they were celebrating the first milestone with 1,000 doses administered - apparently another batch of 70,000 vaccines has arrived this week but seeming like it's being drip fed through and going to be an incredibly slow process with only enough doses to vaccinate 225k by end of March.

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Interesting, so we should get to about 7-8 doses per 100 people by the end of March if the system is working efficiently:

​​​​https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...ses-per-capita

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Seems we will have to be patient unless in one of the priority groups, aged over 65 and in South Auckland.

Four main priority groups:

• 1. 50,000 border and MIQ workers and their household contacts - they would have all completed at least their first dose by the end of this month
• 2. Approximately 480,000 frontline workers and people living in high-risk settings, starting with 57,000 healthcare workers on the community frontlines and then moving through healthcare workers protecting NZ's most vulnerable and some of the priority populations - this work started in February and will continue through to May
• 3. Priority populations, approximately 1.7 million people who are at high-risk if they catch Covid-19 - that group will start getting vaccinated in May
• 4. The remainder of the NZ population - approximately 2 million people - who can expect to start seeing vaccinations available to them from July

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...in-four-months

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That's only about 4.24m, don't we have a population of about 5.2m people? :confused:

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Children (below18) wont be vaccinated this round.
They are doing trials on children overseas so they (or some eg over 12) might get a jab next year

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​​​​​​Sucks to be them if borders reopen before they get the jab.