Straw/break/camel.......
#31
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I smiled many moons ago, when the Lloyd's names had to cough up a few bob.
Seems them who try to make money for doing nothing, usually by giving it to a faceless entity who make promises of immense wealth, always seem surprised when they get caught out.
This has nothing really to do with the thread, but like JustCol, I go to work, I get paid, pay the taxes, and get a rebate. Seems to work so far, but not sure what will happen when I retire. Hey ho,
Seems them who try to make money for doing nothing, usually by giving it to a faceless entity who make promises of immense wealth, always seem surprised when they get caught out.
This has nothing really to do with the thread, but like JustCol, I go to work, I get paid, pay the taxes, and get a rebate. Seems to work so far, but not sure what will happen when I retire. Hey ho,
#32
Joined: Jun 2011
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I reckon you should just be where you'll be happiest Genesis. If that's the UK, then go for it.
One thing about the tax thing I'm stumped by though, going by what you said regarding your savings etc. Won't they be taxed more in the UK? Isn't the UK's top tax rate at 50% or something?
One thing about the tax thing I'm stumped by though, going by what you said regarding your savings etc. Won't they be taxed more in the UK? Isn't the UK's top tax rate at 50% or something?
#33
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Best of luck deciding what's the right option Genesis. The only thing I can't resist saying is to urge you to try not to trash everything here in your mind to justify your desire to go back. There is plenty about NZ that is shite and I'm sorry if this tax proposal goes through (I don't understand the ins and outs but I do wonder why this is being proposed and not capital gains tax ...) but I do wonder just how much tax you'd actually pay and whether that will offset what you'll lose in relocating again and what you have always said you'd lose selling your Kiwi home with its improvements.
Anyway, we all know the way politics works: they make a ludicrously unpopular proposal, which generates all sorts of anger and debate and then they "compromise" so as to be seen as listening to the people. The compromise being precisely what the initial intention was.
Anyway, we all know the way politics works: they make a ludicrously unpopular proposal, which generates all sorts of anger and debate and then they "compromise" so as to be seen as listening to the people. The compromise being precisely what the initial intention was.
#34
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Best of luck deciding what's the right option Genesis. The only thing I can't resist saying is to urge you to try not to trash everything here in your mind to justify your desire to go back. There is plenty about NZ that is shite and I'm sorry if this tax proposal goes through (I don't understand the ins and outs but I do wonder why this is being proposed and not capital gains tax ...) but I do wonder just how much tax you'd actually pay and whether that will offset what you'll lose in relocating again and what you have always said you'd lose selling your Kiwi home with its improvements.
Anyway, we all know the way politics works: they make a ludicrously unpopular proposal, which generates all sorts of anger and debate and then they "compromise" so as to be seen as listening to the people. The compromise being precisely what the initial intention was.
Anyway, we all know the way politics works: they make a ludicrously unpopular proposal, which generates all sorts of anger and debate and then they "compromise" so as to be seen as listening to the people. The compromise being precisely what the initial intention was.
I have no idea about what liabilities lay elsewhere for us. I think this issue has bought to the fore 'where do I really want to be right now'. And the more I think about it the less I know!
I think I miss people way more than I ever did before. But we are well set up here now and the thought (whilst exciting) of upping sticks and going is a bit scary in some ways! Over the weekend I have mellowed somewhat over this issue and accept my fate no matter how unfair it may be. I think there may be some underlying wanderlust and maybe a bit of the need for some excitement in my life!!
#36
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I think I miss people way more than I ever did before. But we are well set up here now and the thought (whilst exciting) of upping sticks and going is a bit scary in some ways! Over the weekend I have mellowed somewhat over this issue and accept my fate no matter how unfair it may be. I think there may be some underlying wanderlust and maybe a bit of the need for some excitement in my life!!
WRT underlying wanderlust- no chance of a holiday anytime soon?
#37
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We have been twice in the last 7 years. Another xmas jaunt is planned for Dec 2014. May go before. Trouble with all these thoughts is that we know our quality of life will take a probable downturn if we return to the Uk and I am not sure how we would cope with that. Plus all the crowds and grid lock..which really scares me!!
#38
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Did you really save 90 thousand pounds in 11 years or is it actually the good old British taxpayer that paid it?
Anyway tax has to be paid at some point and the savings were tax free at the point of saving so would have to be taxed at the point of drawing or am I missing the point?
Anyway tax has to be paid at some point and the savings were tax free at the point of saving so would have to be taxed at the point of drawing or am I missing the point?
#39
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Did you really save 90 thousand pounds in 11 years or is it actually the good old British taxpayer that paid it?
Anyway tax has to be paid at some point and the savings were tax free at the point of saving so would have to be taxed at the point of drawing or am I missing the point?
Anyway tax has to be paid at some point and the savings were tax free at the point of saving so would have to be taxed at the point of drawing or am I missing the point?
#40
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Genesis for me it is the constant grey damp weather or worse .....the not being able to plan ahead to do stuff because of the weather , the constant queueing for things ......I find people here in the uk less optimistic about life ...having lived in both countries for a good length of time ...I think both have + & - but I find the long dark winters and lack of summers and the millions of people a bit to much to bare ....but that's just me ... Roll on when I sell the house and get back to nz .....for how long I stay is any ones guess, good luck with your decision :-)
#41
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One of the things that grounds us here is our kids.
I do not have crystal ball, but I know that NZ is the best environment for our kids and it's up to us to keep them on the straight and narrow. Have a look at what going on in the world. Is the world a safer place now than 20 years ago? I do not think so What does the next 20 years hold globally? God knows, but I know NZ would be the smarter place to be.
Living in Doncaster might be cheap, but as someone that lived in South Yorkshire for a long time, it's hardly in my top 10 places I would want my family to be living.
We do not have a pension, so our retirement plans are based upon self sufficiency and having assets that generate income (real assets, not some fund). New Zealand is one the few places in the world that we have a good chance of achieving that.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
I do not have crystal ball, but I know that NZ is the best environment for our kids and it's up to us to keep them on the straight and narrow. Have a look at what going on in the world. Is the world a safer place now than 20 years ago? I do not think so What does the next 20 years hold globally? God knows, but I know NZ would be the smarter place to be.
Living in Doncaster might be cheap, but as someone that lived in South Yorkshire for a long time, it's hardly in my top 10 places I would want my family to be living.
We do not have a pension, so our retirement plans are based upon self sufficiency and having assets that generate income (real assets, not some fund). New Zealand is one the few places in the world that we have a good chance of achieving that.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
#42
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One of the things that grounds us here is our kids.
I do not have crystal ball, but I know that NZ is the best environment for our kids and it's up to us to keep them on the straight and narrow. Have a look at what going on in the world. Is the world a safer place now than 20 years ago? I do not think so What does the next 20 years hold globally? God knows, but I know NZ would be the smarter place to be.
Living in Doncaster might be cheap, but as someone that lived in South Yorkshire for a long time, it's hardly in my top 10 places I would want my family to be living.
We do not have a pension, so our retirement plans are based upon self sufficiency and having assets that generate income (real assets, not some fund). New Zealand is one the few places in the world that we have a good chance of achieving that.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
I do not have crystal ball, but I know that NZ is the best environment for our kids and it's up to us to keep them on the straight and narrow. Have a look at what going on in the world. Is the world a safer place now than 20 years ago? I do not think so What does the next 20 years hold globally? God knows, but I know NZ would be the smarter place to be.
Living in Doncaster might be cheap, but as someone that lived in South Yorkshire for a long time, it's hardly in my top 10 places I would want my family to be living.
We do not have a pension, so our retirement plans are based upon self sufficiency and having assets that generate income (real assets, not some fund). New Zealand is one the few places in the world that we have a good chance of achieving that.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
#43
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Harsh but fair BUT on this occasion i think he is very entitled to have a bitch about it bad investments are just that but as stated this is a very unfair retrospective tax, but what do I know i just drive diggers :
Neil
#45
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Totally agree with you. NZ IS probably the best place for all of us. Can't help missing those people back home though. Our state pension benefits are better here too than they would be in the UK. Ultimately the decision is my wife's, not mine. I think she will opt to stay after all things considered.
I do hope that you live well with the decision, which ever way it goes and that it all turns out the best for your family.