Campbells

I think it would be most interesting to hear folk’s opinions regarding the hip hop culture that is growing in New Zealand.

If the youth are the future and most of the youth here adopt this rapp culture and attitudes what is the destiny of New Zealand in your opinion?

I mean, do you believe the results of this culture:-

Is not affecting NZ?
Will not affect NZ?

Has not affected other countries to their detriment?
As above – but has?

Do you believe this is a violent culture – or not?

Some questions just to get you started………………

Interesting to hear the opinions.

This is also aimed at readers that have not been to New Zealand as your opinion of this hip-hop culture where you are located can offer a contribution to the thread.

Do you feel it is an area that could create reservations about you or others considering New Zealand as country to re-locate to?

I believe New Zealanders would like to hear and welcome contribution to this topic.


Cheers

soulflour

um, well firstly I think you need to define 'hip hop culture'!

there are lots of hip hop acts at my dp's school (as he runs the music dept he looks after and teaches all the school 'bands' (of whatever genre)).

One is a christian hiphop group, one mixed (girls and boys, christian and non christian, maori and pakeha) with a more r&b flavour (and have a record deal, and promote non-drug use as one of their ideals) and one just won the north island young rapper's award thingy... and all are achieving at school.

Hip hop is a music genre, within which there are many many sub-genres.

Do you mean 'gang culture' instead?

SF

Beachcombers

Beachcombers

New Zealand has a thriving hip hop scene. Artist such as Che Fu, Scribe, Frontline and P Money have earned international attention.

It is a uniquely NZ take, with much identification from the South Pacific and urbanised Maori communities.

It's all good stuff, although I suspect you do not listen to much hip hop.

Apple12

NZ has a thriving music scene, with heaps of different genres and awesome music. NZ music is definitely of its own, some bands change to become more commercial overseas, but there is a very definite flavour underlying the bands.

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Music

If you want to blame a particular music genre for all of the world's ills, then you are going to have to come up with better than your original post

Che Fu, one of NZs leading and original hiphop musicians, would have to be one of the best role models for kids.

Campbells

danny.f

Didn't realise 'hip-hop' equated to violence.

happynz

Big whoop!

Rubbish. Unique my ass. It's derivative of the shite from South Central LA right down to the stupid crap scrawled on the walls. These ignorant sad shits know nothing about the Crips and the Bloods, yet they love to tie red or blue do-rags on their noggins and flash gang signs. Uh-huh, right. Since when is "Yo, whassup my nigga" unique to New Zealand?

Bullshit, mate. I bloody hate the the stuff, yet with the scum blasting it out of their cars and baggy-pants pimple-popping teens left in charge of many shops' sound systems it's hard to escape.

danny.f

well funny.

Apple12

Gosh, I really hope that you don't find something serious to stress about, your blood pressure must go through the roof!

It sounds like you need to get into NZ music such as the dub scene, maybe there will be something there to karma you down. Have you listened to Salmonella Dub, KatchaFire, Fat Freddys Drop... I think maybe the reggae beat may be more your style...

Campbells

Interesting view,

One of the things we were told quite early on in our adjustment to NZ is not to say “pee” as in, I need to go for a “pee”. This we were told refers to the “P” drug issue that is a huge problem and identified that it is associated with most of the increasing violent crimes here in NZ.

So what is the gist of “P Money” ? Are they referring to urine or drugs?

Yes and this is exactly my point but I don’t feel that you can be so general to say that the minority groups of NZ represent NZ on the whole. You know, like the world opinion according to Scotland.

It is great that these “artists” have got international attention. Britney Spears, Barbie and Trainspotting also get international attention.

Yes you are correct, I do not listen to ( voluntary ) Hip-Hop, Trip-Hop, Garage, Lounge, Kitchen, and Attic.

I suspect you don’t listen to Jimmy Shand, The Alexander Brothers, The Wee Jimmies, The Haggis Brothers, The Tartan Twins, The Idgits, Peeing In The Glomin, Ma Bonnie Bitch or the Shuggie Hill Pipe Band ?

Is this music you are listening to possibly a platform to release the communities (you mention) frustrations? I understand that the basis of Rapp music was the “voice” of the Afro-American oppression – no?

Not sure if you are getting my point here?

Cheers and thanks for your opinion and post.

Beachcombers

Morning!

Wow, did someone light a firecracker under your bed or something?

Sounds like you need to get out of the 'hood mate!

Apple12

Gosh it sounds like you listen to the sort of music that can only be listened to whilst wearing a kilt surrounded by heather!
Do you see how dangerous (and stupid) generalisations can be?

danny.f

Campbells

Does Gospel music relate to God?

So if so many people are saying Hip-Hop relates to something and I obviously don’t get it please explain what it relates to?

Let me ask you:

Would you be offended is someone referred to your mother, your wife, your daughter as “bitch”?

Most times I ( involuntary) hear this type of music I hear the reference to “bitch”. The last ( most unfortunate) time I ( involuntary) saw some 24/7 music channel being piped ( uncensored) in a “family” area , the music video is girls nearly naked all doing the same old dance with some rapper doing the same old arm flapping , whilst the reference “bitch” is used over & over.

Do you think that is a good message?

Do you think that I “ have to” listen to such crap?

If not why is this music so in my face everywhere I go ?

Interesting that in the UK that they used Cliff Richard music to deter youth gatherings that were breaching the peace.

Interesting that in Australia they used Barry Manilow for the same reason.

I too am allowed to speak for what I believe in just as much I am sure you don’t go home and “pump up” Mozart or Beethoven. Right?

Cheers and thanks for your input.